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GOP declares banning free and reduced school lunches to be a priority.

RealityNow said:
Pay your tax like everyone else and shut up about it.... You are not elected to any position to make policy to deal with how tax money is utilized.
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In the words of my generation. Piss off. I will say what I damn well please whenever it pleases me. If it offends you, all the better.
 
justabubba said:
ok people
now we have someone who wants kids living in cars to bring their unprepared food with them to school to prepare it
brilliant suggestion!
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Conservatism is the legislation of greed and the absence of empathy. Conservative Christians would have Jesus arrested/deported for being a woke illegal immigrant.

It is precisely these ideas why the Christian religion in the US has the approval rating of herpes.
 
PirateMk1 said:
Jackasses using the program for graft, abusing it using it when they dont need to, ect. All of that adds to cost. Which means I have to pony up more tax money. I wouldn't have a problem with the programs if 95% of the money went directly into the food costs, thats not the case. The other thing is there shouldn't be different safety net programs. There should be one. More programs more cost more opportunity for graft.
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And your solution is to deny food to hungry children? Because you think ADULTS are abusing you?
 
bave said:
First, point out where I have defended defense spending? That is however at least constitutionally provided for. I have been rather staunch in my position that the US defense posture needs to change.
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Be honest, did you hold this position during the War on Terror and did you speak out against your conservative buddies when they were almost all neoconservatives?

bave said:
Second, my issue with this particular issue is the redundancy of the programs. If you want to provide for children's meals, I don't have an issue with that. In fact I would encourage health meals for children.
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We tried doing healthier meals at school and the rightwing freaked out.

bave said:
What I oppose is providing for meals that we have already provided for once. If we are going to feed kids ~60 meals a month through the school system while we are already paying for 90 meals through various other programs, then those other programs need to see adjustments.
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Many of these families are not taking advantage of these programs because they are either ignorant of them or they feel too ashamed to do so. That should be FAR more concerning than Little Bobby getting an extra apple for breakfast.
 
bave said:
Judging by the number of morbidly obese children in this country, a starving one should be pretty damned easy to spot.
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Malnutrition is often associated with obesity.
 
ElChupacabra said:
The GAO did find the system susceptible to fraud in terms of the payment rates so perhaps the effort should be in ensuring those eligible are receiving the aid. What it doesn't report on though, is actual fraud. The COVID 19 waiver the former administration issued for this program opened the eligibility, but it would be good to see the data around how the RSC report determined "widespread fraud".
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What seems to get ignored is how making “free” food available to students in public schools is different than making any other aspect of public education “free” (or federally funded). Another consideration is the administrative overhead (additional cost) involved in charging some students for their school lunches based on ??? (which must be verified somehow).
 
dmpi said:
"Last year, the entire federal free school lunch program cost an estimated $28.7 billion—far beyond the average annual improper payment estimate of $489 million alleged by the RSC."

I know people are numb to big numbers but 28 billion is a huge number and this program really needs some accountability.
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What does that have to do with canceling it? Nothing. Why are you covering for these scumbags?
 
Lisa said:
Conservatism is the legislation of greed and the absence of empathy. Conservative Christians would have Jesus arrested/deported for being a woke illegal immigrant.

It is precisely these ideas why the Christian religion in the US has the approval rating of herpes.
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At this rate I wouldn't be surprised if a new religious movement arises declaring Jesus and the New Testament as 'too woke' and replacing him with Trump as the Messiah. There's already a book out there by a MAGAt arguing that Trump is the second coming of Jesus.
 
$28 billion seems like a large number, when it is helping people one views as less than human.
 
RealityNow said:
Read The Preamble, and then Read The Constitution and LEARN the duties of Congress, and you might figure out that's their job, and its our job to see that they do it.

It's evident you never learned and certainly never invested to understand The Preamble...

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
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You forgot the conservative preamble; In order to form a more profitable union and to provide plenty of tax breaks for wealthy individuals and business, if it becomes necessary, or if we feel like it, we the people should take money from those who can least afford to give such funds, and return it to the wealthy in the form of tax cuts. If such measures are required, those negatively affected must obtain more and better employment. This shall be known as pulling oneself up by thy bootstraps and shall become the law of the land.
 
Lisa said:
Conservatism is the legislation of greed and the absence of empathy. Conservative Christians would have Jesus arrested/deported for being a woke illegal immigrant.

It is precisely these ideas why the Christian religion in the US has the approval rating of herpes.
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Love thy neighbor. Seems they like to forget about that one. The perverting of that religion to suit their political agenda is sickening, like looking the other way when their cult leader pays a porn star for adulterous sex acts.
I'm wondering how this (the tread topic) will go over in, say, Mississippi?
 
Geoist said:
Be honest, did you hold this position during the War on Terror and did you speak out against your conservative buddies when they were almost all neoconservatives?
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Heh, I was too busy in Afghanistan at the time. I honestly couldn't even tell you my point of view back then. I was younger, I was too far disconnected from domestic politics etc. What I can tell you now is that I am far less hawkish/interventionalist after my experiences in Iraq/Afghanistan/Africa. The US should honestly be re-evaluating our entire defense posture. As far as I am concerned we have more or less one major global defense risk, China, and that our resources should be shifted that way and away from defending Europe, Africa, and the Mid-East.

Geoist said:
We tried doing healthier meals at school and the rightwing freaked out.
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I can't comment on others, only my own point of view.

Geoist said:
Many of these families are not taking advantage of these programs because they are either ignorant of them or they feel too ashamed to do so. That should be FAR more concerning than Little Bobby getting an extra apple for breakfast.
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Shitty parents? That's becoming more prolific, not less. I would also take the position that many of these programs enable more people to be shittier parents. We have a government that is now taking over the role of guardian to a whole lower class of people who make terrible decisions. These people making terrible decisions are heavily insulated from those ramifications and thus they continue to repeat making horrible decisions. This is how you get people on lifetime welfare tracks.

Geoist said:
Malnutrition is often associated with obesity.
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Malnutrition is generally going to be much more closely related to bad parenting than insufficient funds. This is a primary reason why I would support providing kids meals through schools at the cost of reduced SNAP/WIC/TANF. I would rather kids get fed better food, through a school, with more security than the parents just pissing it away and making the situation worse.
 
Geoist said:
At this rate I wouldn't be surprised if a new religious movement arises declaring Jesus and the New Testament as 'too woke' and replacing him with Trump as the Messiah. There's already a book out there by a MAGAt arguing that Trump is the second coming of Jesus.
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We already have the Southern Baptist Church. It was slightly more than 2 decades ago that they finally disavowed slavery and ties to the Klan.

The Southern Baptist Convention issued an apology for its earlier stance on slavery. The issue had split the Baptist church between north and south in 1845. But a century and a half later, in 1995, Southern Baptist officials formally renounced the church's support of slavery and segregation. Richard Land, former head of the Southern Baptist Christian Life Commission, gives more information on the historic apology.
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Over the years, Southern Baptist deacons and pastors moved in and out of Ku Klux Klan leadership positions. In 1956 the minister of the largest Southern Baptist church in the nation testified before the South Carolina legislature, voicing his support for segregation. In Alabama, one Baptist news editor in 1850 said of slavery, “As a question of morals, it is between us and God … as a question of political economy, it is with us alone, as free and independent states.” The same year, Alabama’s Bethel Baptist Association, reflecting Calvinistic theology, insisted the master-slave relationship was the product of God’s providence. In 1856 an Alabama Baptist labeled slavery “as much an institution of Heaven as marriage.“
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www.patheos.com

The Pro-Slavery History Of The Southern Baptists

The Southern Baptist Convention has scarcely begun to reckon with its ugly history.
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911Sparky said:
You forgot the conservative preamble; In order to form a more profitable union and to provide plenty of tax breaks for wealthy individuals and business, if it becomes necessary, or if we feel like it, we the people should take money from those who can least afford to give such funds, and return it to the wealthy in the form of tax cuts. If such measures are required, those negatively affected must obtain more and better employment. This shall be known as pulling oneself up by thy bootstraps and shall become the law of the land.
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Again, most progressive tax code in the world, with the highest median household income of any major nation, with welfare spending that rivals that of EU nations.

The lower and middle class have effectively no tax burden while receiving government largesse that rivals anything in the world.

Cry more though.

element94 said:
Love thy neighbor. Seems they like to forget about that one. The perverting of that religion to suit their political agenda is sickening, like looking the other way when their cult leader pays a porn star for adulterous sex acts.
I'm wondering how this (the tread topic) will go over in, say, Mississippi?
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I think there is a legitimate point of helping people versus enabling people. We have long passed a point where government programs and support systems, along with societal structure, is enabling poor decisions and poor responsibility. That's a pretty big problem. I don't think most Americans have a problem with helping someone with a hand up, but they do have a problem with long duration hand outs based on poor decision after poor decision.
 
JRTurner said:
I think it's important the populace knows what's happening in their government. Look how many got blindsided by the overturning of Roe.

Do you really think it's not important to know the GOP wants cut free meals in schools?
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Knowing about it and doing something about it. We need to vote in a Congress that ensures us that abortion will be, once again, legally available everywhere. Make it a law so tight that SCOTUS can never "reinterpret" it again.
In the meantime we must look about in our communities to identify and meet needs.
 
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