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God's chosen people...Hebrews?

JW Frogen said:
No one is afraid to make a movie mocking Judaism or Christianity, make a movie called, Life of Brian, no one dies, but try making the "The Life of Brian of the Koran" and see what happens to you.

Death threats, fatwas ect.

OK, so these ignorant fantatics are still in the medevil phase of religion, having started late in the pretend onimpotent freind game and plagerizing Judaism this is understandable, none the less we are giving into their threats, which is the real indignity here.
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When have people given in to threats? Care to cite a few cases in which a Government has given into terrorists?

And surely that is something to be positive about. Jews have a renowned sense of humour and Christians [on the whole] can take criticism.
Islam has not progressed that far mainly because it is the baby of the three faiths and has not gone through no reformation or enlightment period. No one have dropped the nasty verses, like the Bible etc.

I do love life of Brian tho ...
 
Terrorism is not the issue, it is only one Islamic means. Islam threatens violence all the time to silence criticisim of it's religion, but this is not the only means it uses. Recently it attempted to pass a blasphemy law in the UN which would have made it an international crime to criticise this fable.

And end all Enlightenment free speech.

We do not see Christianity or Judaism, at least writ large demanding that criticicism of their relgion become an international crime.

Although the US has a better record than most of the democratic West in defending securlar Western values against Islamic threat, for instance the US did not ban Girt Wilders from entering the US because he is critical of Islam while the UK banned him just one year after they allowed a Christmas message to be televised on the BBC from Amadinijad!. Or the idiot hate speech laws that Europe is adopting in fear of Islamic backlash, Canada too, or the way Europe appeased Islamic violent threat during the Danish cartoon incident, still one goes to US forums and witnesses criticisim of Islam treated with far more moderation than any other religion, as on this forum and the Courtship of Allah's Father thread.

Subliminal or not, this is based on fear.

This is revealed by the fact Islam gets none of the scruntiny even in American universities, none of the grilling that the other religions do, or the fact that NO ONE would dare do a movie mocking it in the US as they do both Judaism or Christinaity.
 
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JW Frogen said:
Although the US has a better record than most of the democratic West in defending securlar Western values against Islamic threat, for instance the US did not ban Girt Wilders from entering the US because he is critical of Islam while the UK banned him just one year after they allowed a Christmas message to be televised on the BBC from Amadinijad!. Or the idiot hate speech laws that Europe is adopting in fear of Islamic backlash, Canada too, or the way Europe appeased Islamic violent threat during the Danish cartoon incident, still one goes to US forums and witnesses criticisim of Islam treated with far more moderation than any other religion, as on this forum and the Courtship of Allah's Father thread.

Subliminal or not, this is based on fear.

This is revealed by the fact Islam gets none of the scruntiny even in American universities, none of the grilling that the other religions do, or the fact that NO ONE would dare do a movie mocking it in the US as they do both Judaism or Christinaity.
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UK reserves the right to stop those they do not wish to enter their territory.
US has also banned people entering, i remember it refusing to admit one of the most prominent European Muslim who was a Moderate.
Canada also prevented a elected member entering their country.

I may disagree with Wilders ban but we do reserve that power as we should too.

Ahmadinejad sent a video and it was hardly hate speech, not to mention it was not aired on BBC. The state owned television but a private media who should be able to air what they wish without Government involvement.

I have no idea about Universities but Islam does get the spotlight inside UK and i have never ever seen Judaism get mocked. Christianity yes, but not Judaism
 
OxymoronP said:
I can name 2 off the top of my head:

Spain after the Madrid bombings

And South Korea after the hostage situation in Afghan.
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and if you were to frame the issue as giving in to the AGENDA rather than just the tactics used towards achieving it, you could add Great Britain every single day of the week. They have bent over backwards (or perhaps forwards, grabbing their ankles) to accomidate the Islamist agenda.

Heck, Sharia courts are not only practicing in Britain, but the dispensations are now legally binding. It is now legal in Britain for a woman's testimony to be worth less than a man's.
 
Gardener said:
Heck, Sharia courts are not only practicing in Britain, but the dispensations are now legally binding. It is now legal in Britain for a woman's testimony to be worth less than a man's.
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Sharia law handles matters of marriage, divorce, death etc.
Jewish courts have been around for decades handling the same thing.
Anything in those two courts which is serious, murder theft etc. is automatically handed to English law as that is its jurisdiction.

Oh and no need to lie to make your point.
Such a thing is not law.
 
OxymoronP said:
I can name 2 off the top of my head:

Spain after the Madrid bombings

And South Korea after the hostage situation in Afghan.
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I was hoping for British or American examples because that is where he seemed to focus on, especially UK but nvm.

I don't get why you mentioned Spain but i am well aware of what occured after the Madrid bombings.

And i have no clue on the second but i'll take your word for it
 
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Gardener said:
and where a woman's testimony and rights (to inheretance etc.) are less than a mans.

You are the liar here, not I.
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No really.
You are the liar.

There is no proof in many cases that the courts have widespread mistreatment of women.
I don't like these courts and do not want them, i think all religious courts should be abolished however if Jews and their Beth Din courts and Hindus etc. can have their own courts, why single out Muslims only? It seems you have a issue with Muslims not the Sharia.

And on the link you provided.

Sharia law SHOULD be used in Britain, says UK's top judge | Mail Online

The Lord Chief Justice said yesterday of the Archbishop's views: 'It was not very radical to advocate embracing sharia law in the context of family disputes'.

He added there is 'widespread misunderstanding as to the nature of sharia law'.
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But the way, which sharia law are you talking? There are many. Each influenced by cultures and traditions.
 
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Sharia has alot of drawbacks.

This Channel 4 Documentary shows a Sharia court in action.

[ame=http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7551240419498830429&ei=mEFGSvuFO5Wj-AamteH_Bg&q=sharia+britain&hl=en]Divorce Sharia Style[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFcCtvIDMGU&feature=player_embedded]YouTube - CSC: Celebrity Lives Sharia Style - PART1[/ame]

You might just learn something

The one thing i do like about Sharia is the marriage and the preparations, being able to state from the get go what you want from that marriage and tell one another of what to expect. It's not and rarely is a whirlwind romance of 'marry now, think later', it's actually taken extremley seriously and recognised as what it really is; a contract between two people
 
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Laila said:
No really.
You are the liar.

There is no proof in many cases that the courts have widespread mistreatment of women.
I don't like these courts and do not want them, i think all religious courts should be abolished however if Jews and their Beth Din courts and Hindus etc. can have their own courts, why single out Muslims only? It seems you have a issue with Muslims not the Sharia.

And on the link you provided.

Sharia law SHOULD be used in Britain, says UK's top judge | Mail Online



But the way, which sharia law are you talking? There are many. Each influenced by cultures and traditions.
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Even after I show an article that proves A -- that sharia law is binding in the U.K. and B -- that women are at the short end of the stick, you have the temerity to call ME the liar.

In your display of deceit, you are doing a much better job than I ever could of confirming some of the points Frogen made about Muslims. I don't actually agree with many of those points, but you are certainy living up to his expectations.
 
How are women at the end of the stick?

THERE IS NO PROOF OF MUSLIM WOMEN BEING MISTREATED INSIDE BRITISH SHARIA COURTS.

Is that clear enough for you?
Take your scaremongering elsewhere and don't bull**** on speculation.
Bring me cases, bring me evidence or keep it down.
 
OxymoronP said:
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HAVA NAGILA MOTHER ****ER
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!!!!!!!!!!!What a "Chosen" guy!!!

You attacked muslims in spite we didn't claim to be "chosen". You did.
I just put my reply and you pulled the trigger.
 
Aleem said:
!!!!!!!!!!!What a "Chosen" guy!!!

You attacked muslims in spite we didn't claim to be "chosen". You did.
I just put my reply and you pulled the trigger.
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I don't think he meant that Aleem ...
 
Aleem said:
!!!!!!!!!!!What a "Chosen" guy!!!

You attacked muslims in spite we didn't claim to be "chosen". You did.
I just put my reply and you pulled the trigger.
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You better not claim to be "chosen" because you aren't!
 
Laila said:
How are women at the end of the stick?

THERE IS NO PROOF OF MUSLIM WOMEN BEING MISTREATED INSIDE BRITISH SHARIA COURTS.

Is that clear enough for you?
Take your scaremongering elsewhere and don't bull**** on speculation.
Bring me cases, bring me evidence or keep it down.
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It said right in the article that women received less in inheritance, and that their abusive husbands received no punishment.

Do you suffer from a reading disability?
 
Gardener said:
It said right in the article that women received less in inheritance, and that their abusive husbands received no punishment.

Do you suffer from a reading disability?
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After what?
He went counselling and is supervised by the elders.

Probably a better result than one you'd get in Uks court.
Our sentences suck, a mother tortured her baby and killed it. She got less than 5 years if i remember.

Men also have a higher obligation than women in the family sphere and inheritances reflect that and i believe that the share is up to the parents to decide, it is not a set amount.
 
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Laila said:
After what?
He went counselling and is supervised by the elders.

Probably a better result than one you'd get in Uks court.
Our sentences suck, a mother tortured her baby and killed it. She got less than 5 years if i remember.

Men also have a higher obligation than women in the family sphere and inheritances reflect that and i believe that the share is up to the parents to decide, it is not a set amount.
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What you BELIEVE has nothing whatsoever to do with your claiming I lied when I didn't, nor does it absolve you of your own lies. Just because you support this backwardness, that doesn't mean squat when the issue is whether or not it is happening.

Your continued lack of honesty only supports Frogen's contentions in regards to the extremes Muslims go to in order to suppress criticism of Islam. Here, you can't even tell the truth as to Sharia being practiced in the U.K. and are trying to claim I am the one lying about it.
 
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