Well there you go. Might as well shut down all the churches around here, because Stephen Hawking said there is no god.
:roll:
This is why we don't mix science and religion.
Why does this draw so much attention?
The man has his own opinion, and he has the right to hold his own opinion.
We're not in the middle ages anymore, people can say they don't believe God has created the universe.
Heathen, burn him at the steak!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mmmmmm... steak.
I strongly disagree. Hawking ignores a fundamental law of physics, known as cause and effect. I don't know if God created the Universe or not, but there is no such thing as spontaneous creation. There was an effect from some cause. Believing that it could have been a God would be more believable than it being spontaneous.
And don't forget that Hawking is not infallible, as demonstrated by his huge error on the black hole information paradox.
Yeah, I was considering a stake. but realised I'm hungry, so a steak'll have to do.
The only thing more fun then militant christians actively trying to "convert" people and prostelitize to the "unwashed masses" about their "sins" and how they need to be "saved" and how that they're so much been then people are militant athiests actively trying to "convert" people and prostelitizing to the "ignorant masses" about their "fairy tales" and how they need to be "educated" and how they're so much smarter than everyone else.
God did not create the universe, says Hawking - Yahoo! News
While I have no doubt that those who believe in God will try to paint atheism as a religion I can't help but hope they do so. Comparing atheism to a religion shows that all you need to 'validate' your religion is claiming a belief. Regardless of what that belief is. In other words, if I say the spider I am currently looking at on my window is God, then so it is. I don't need anything else. Proving that religion is nothing more than a man made fairy tale. Check, mate.
Yeah, this won't change anyone's belief. Also this is just a theory, not absolute truth. I have a very hard time believing that something happened spontaneously. For every reaction there is an equal, and opposite reaction. For the big bang to happen, something had to cause it.
Also side note, I don't think most people have the intellectual capability to debate theoretical physics at a high level(including myself):lol: it's a quite difficult subject, even though it's extremely fascinating. It will be interesting to see how this thread turns out.
I'm not sure the headline is an accurate reflection of what the book says. Hawking says that, given the laws of physics, it's not necessary to invoke God to light the touch paper and set the universe going. He doesn't say anything about who or what established those laws or where matter and energy came from. He's going to make us buy the book to find out what, if any, explanation he has for that.
Another brilliant mind has come to the wrong conclusion. Hawking is not infallible.
While Hawking is not infallible, things like cause and effect are there for our benefit. Simply put, there are many times when we consider systems underwhich causality can be violated. We choose answers in which it is not, or take it barring other alternatives. Things like spontaneous creation can in fact be realized and is predicted as such through quantum mechanics. Essentially, spontaneous creation of energy is allowed for short enough time intervals. Much like (delta)x(delta)p is an uncertainty relationship, so is (delta)E(delta)t. In fact, this has a measurable effect and is known as vacuum perturbation in which the spontaneous creation and subsequent annihilation of matter/anti-matter particles is realized out of the vacuum of space. This has a real world measurable found in the Lamb shift; which has been well measured by this point. Spontaneous creation, therefore, is not completely unheard of or unknown.
I've neve been able to understand that comment. They call atheism a religion because they accuse atheists of believing stuff without any evidence or critical thinking involved and act like it's an insult then go to church where they preach about the merits of faith. It's like they're arguing "well you're just as silly as I am so hah!"While I have no doubt that those who believe in God will try to paint atheism as a religion I can't help but hope they do so.
Well I wouldn't say that.
I'd just say there's no scientific and irrevertable proof that either side is right. So his point and the other sides point are technically wrong.
Sorry, I know you hate competition.He did not say there is no god... stop making **** up.
The problem isn't with Mr. Hawking's comments but rather a more serious concept. There are atheists that are every bit as obnoxious as the evangelical christians, wahabists, etc. when it comes to dogmatism and they would love to use things like this as an attack on those of faith.The problem comes when they use yet another theory to say "see, the magic bullet now go throw your bibles away cause we win".Why does this draw so much attention?
The man has his own opinion, and he has the right to hold his own opinion.
We're not in the middle ages anymore, people can say they don't believe God has created the universe.
That can not happen accidentally. Something beyond the laws of physics had to create that medium, and those laws, in order for this process to begin. To me, that is so funadmentally and necessarily true that it can not be argued.
The problem isn't with Mr. Hawking's comments but rather a more serious concept. There are atheists that are every bit as obnoxious as the evangelical christians, wahabists, etc. when it comes to dogmatism and they would love to use things like this as an attack on those of faith.The problem comes when they use yet another theory to say "see, the magic bullet now go throw your bibles away cause we win".
To me you're argument essentially boils down to you saying that the universe is so complex that it needs something to create it or guide it, so you evoke something even more complex and at that point the whole "well it's just too complex" gets ignored on the even more complex creator.
I don't either really, but like I said the big stink is that he said it and the other side of his ideology is using it as another attack.I don't think Hawking belongs to that kind of concept.
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