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God created everything that exists
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You make your own rules...that is fantasy...
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You can call it anything you like. I don't care.
I will...
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I won't stop you. You can say any dumb shit you like, whenever you like.
Nor will I stop you from fantasizing about being conscious after you die...seems you've bought into a false doctrine...lol...
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I didn't claim i would be conscious after death. I would definitely bet everything on the opposite. Please try to follow, you're confusing yourself and kind of embarrassing yourself.
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Kind of an inconsequential observation. To an atheist, the theoretical possibility of God is on par with any of an infinite number of fictional hypotheses that could be made up about the existence of life or the universe. For example, it could not necessarily be proven that we aren't the creation of a more advanced alien life civilization on the other side of the galaxy that planted us here as an experiment. Maybe we are, maybe we aren't. But there's no reason to actively entertain this possibility in particular, because why would we? Similarly, there's no reason to entertain the possibility of a god or gods. I can't scientifically prove the non-existence of Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy, but that doesn't make me an agnostic concerning their existence.
Science can't take any of countless theoretical possibilities about the nature of life or existence or the universe entirely off the table, but that doesn't mean there is good reason to fervently attach to and believe in any of those theoretical possibilities, which is what theists do. Atheists don't resist God because of some arbitrary prejudice against God. They resist God as a counter to the 3+ billion who are certain that God exists, despite no greater evidence for God than there is for the aforementioned alien parent civilization on the other side of the galaxy than planted us here as an experiment.
How can you meet a god/any god/gods without being conscious...you can't...seems you're the one who is confused...
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You probably can't. To say "if that happens" is not to claim I believe it will, or that I believe i will be conscious after death. I don't believe sky daddies exist at all, frankly.
This is another example of how childish and rude your postings are. I was playing along with a hypothetical to be courteous. You then tried to misrepresent me and score a point on me. Your behavior is repulsive.
lol...I really thought atheists were open to logic and reason...guess not...
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As it turns out, a cultist insisting their iron age handbook prohibits something is actually not compelling. So what you mistakenly call reason is actually primitive dogma.
Carry on with your fantasy of being conscious after you die...lol...
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I clearly stated I don't believe we are conscious after death. Your dishonesty is repulsive. But expected. Everyone expects it, at this point.
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yes, an event I find unlikely or even impossible can still be presented as something that would convince me. In fact, that's exactly what you were looking for, when I courteaously answered your question.. But you couldn't be honest and rational for even 5 minutes. As anyone can read for themselves.
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"Meeting God after I'm dead" would be no more persuasive to me than meeting God when I'm alive and healthy. Whether death is traumatic, or whether it is numbed by painkillers, I would have less reason to trust my own perception. And more reason to believe that the discovered God is an hallucination or mental abberation.
It seems you mean that discovering "life after death" would make discovery of God more convincing. But death itself is undefined by experience, so a far more plausible explanation for "life after death" is that you're not in fact dead yet.
Don't worry...it ain't gonna happen...
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I'm certain now that you don't know what atheism is. It just means we don't believe in whichever imaginary friend(s) you have.
Like "dry" is the ABSENCE of moisture.
Atheism
(A = means against/not/no)
(Theism = A belief in some imaginary friend(s))
Atheism is the absence of theism.
That's outrageous. There are many theists that have questioned their faith or been doubtful about their religious beliefs. They don't instantly turn into agnostics because of that. So, it clearly doesn't have to happen in the other direction.
It's not a club. It's not a "thing". It's not hating your imaginary friend(s). It's not worshipping your other imaginary enemy with horns.
Atheism is the absence of theism.
What do you think this proves?Just look how atheists resist the position and explanation by a reputable science body - even when science itself has not taken creation by God off the table.
The National Academy of Sciences also says:
WMAP Site FAQs
Public access site for The Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe and associated information about cosmology.wmap.gsfc.nasa.gov
I am not and do not know any atheists that really care what theists call us.Why do you think atheists have tried to change the definition of atheism?
I suppose, they don't want to be identified as close-minded.
Again, though, it's theists that work themselves in a frenzy because we don't believe in your imaginary friend(s).
If people can like or dislike certain foods without killing one another,
why can't you like your imaginary friend(s)
let others like their different imaginary friend(s)
let others not have imaginary friend(s)?
Why is that difficult?
Atheists aren't knocking on people's doors, shouting in trains and buses and committing hate crimes, applauding political stunts of cruelty to people, burning places down, telling you who you can love and not love, and have tiered "equality" based on people's skin color, etc. because you have your imaginary friends.
The big finale is your faith?
Atheists aren't close-minded (I stated that already). You are labeling us that way because it makes you feel vindicated in some way.
Would you say that discernment is a strong characteristics in Christians?
[I will refrain from making a joke about this].
It's also not achieved by pretending you have an imaginary friend that loves everyone while standing behind some of the most awful criminal events around the world. Either he's a psychopath with rage issues or he doesn't really love his kids all that much.
And, rinse and repeat: Atheists aren't close-minded.
All other religions fit in the same box. We don't believe in their imaginary friend(s) either.
Remember, above when I wrote "Atheism is the absence of theism."
That is your label, not mine; so, I can't answer that for you.How can they all be "close-minded?"
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I think they get stuck in those same headlights because they find it hard to conceptualize.
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If multiple independent peer-reviewed studies found that praying to Eris to restore a missing limb had an 86.7% success rate, as compared to a 0% success rate from praying to any other deities or not praying at all, it would pique my curiosity about what was going on.
If Discordian missionaries came and knocked on my door, and I invited them in and offered them a glass of lemonade only to find myself sipping a dry, full-bodied Malbec with a dark, fruity nose instead of the lemonade I had poured, I would probably accept their offer to come to Tuesday worship and see what the Church of Discordianism is all about. Mostly with the hope that there would be more Malbec there.
If at the church of Discordianism, they presented me with consistent testable hypotheses which confirmed the theory that Eris exists to the point that the existence of Eris provided a model for understanding the world around me that fit the available evidence better than any alternative models of which I was aware, I would accept the existence of Eris as the best explanation currently available.
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Nothing by definition can exist. If a God created the universe, it was out of his own substance (energy), which can be hidden from human discovery.
And I wouldn't worry about believing in God because when you die this body returns to the dirt and that person's soul becomes one with the eternal source and enjoys enlightenment. It's not a choice, any more than you had in coming here.
And I wouldn't worry about believing in God because when you die this body returns to the dirt and that person's soul becomes one with the eternal source and enjoys enlightenment. It's not a choice, any more than you had in coming here.
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@Mighty Jungle
BOTTOM-LINE: Science is not dismissing the possibility of....................... CREATION by GOD!
I've presented what I have. Science-wise.
The National Academy of Sciences also says:
"Many religious persons, including many scientists, hold that God created the universe and the various processes driving physical and biological evolution and that these processes then resulted in the creation of galaxies, our solar system, and life on Earth.
This belief, which sometimes is termed 'theistic evolution,' is not in disagreement with scientific explanations of evolution.
Indeed, it reflects the remarkable and inspiring character of the physical universe revealed by cosmology, paleontology, molecular biology, and many other scientific disciplines."
Quotes from: 1999 report "Science and Creationism: A View from the National Academy of Sciences, Second Edition" which is available online from the National Academy Press: http://books.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=6024
Who has the authority to speak for science?
You........................ or, the science body that I gave?
What more can I say?
You reject it? Then, you prove my point.
That's understandable.........because, as atheists - you have to reject it.
You've got to close your mind to that possibility. Even if it means, contradicting what science says.
Case closed.
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I am only responsible for what I post. You are responsible for your perspective on how it's interpreted.@Mighty Jungle
BOTTOM-LINE: Science is not dismissing the possibility of....................... CREATION by GOD!
I've presented what I have. Science-wise.
The National Academy of Sciences also says:
"Many religious persons, including many scientists, hold that God created the universe and the various processes driving physical and biological evolution and that these processes then resulted in the creation of galaxies, our solar system, and life on Earth.
This belief, which sometimes is termed 'theistic evolution,' is not in disagreement with scientific explanations of evolution.
Indeed, it reflects the remarkable and inspiring character of the physical universe revealed by cosmology, paleontology, molecular biology, and many other scientific disciplines."
Quotes from: 1999 report "Science and Creationism: A View from the National Academy of Sciences, Second Edition" which is available online from the National Academy Press: http://books.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=6024
Who has the authority to speak for science?
You........................ or, the science body that I gave?
What more can I say?
You reject it? Then, you prove my point.
That's understandable.........because, as atheists - you have to reject it.
You've got to close your mind to that possibility. Even if it means, contradicting what science says.
Case closed.
I never said that I reject what you posted. I said that I do not believe anything about your or anybody else's imaginary deity/deities.
One misstep all theists seem to make is to assume that all atheists start from the position of disbelieving and that is simply not true.
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A lot of new atheists seem to think that their offensive and questionable words can be expressed and are exempt from any challenge - just because it's their belief.
Well - I'm also responding to what you had posted.
This is what started it:
You challenged my claim on post #90.
I've simply responded to that post..................................backed up my claim, and showed how and why atheism is a close-minded ideology.
Lol - you should understand where, and how you stand on your ideology.
You're standing on NOTHING.
Therefore...............................................if there's anything "imaginary" at all ....................
.........................at this point, since there's nothing at all to base the claim that God does not exists - in fact, the possibility of creation exists...............................
....................................... your belief is what would be......................"imaginary."
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