Global White Population to Plummet to Single Digit—Black Population to Double

[Hatuey]

This is sarcasm that is leaving a whole lot of history out of the picture.

Yeah I forgot to make it painfully obvious that white "European" imperialism can be directly linked to most modern problems in Africa.

The technology has also saved lives and brought hope to many. There's been good and bad from all sides in the history of man. I think the good has outweighed the bad.

Uh huh. I'd take a few deceases over 500 years of constant European rape. But that's just me. I'm sure if Africans had a chance they'd just love to do it all again. From slavery to being made second class citizens in their our countries up until 20-30 years ago.

 

[1069]

Yeah I forgot to make it painfully obvious that white "European" imperialism can be directly linked to most moden problems in Africa.



Uh huh. I'd take a few deceases over 500 years of constant European rape. But that's just me. I'm sure if Africans had a chance they'd just love to do it all again. From slavery to being made second class citizens in their our countries up until 20-30 years ago.

As if your opinion matters, dude.
Some white lady thinks "the good outweighs the bad".
In fact, that's pretty much what all white people think.
Africans are such clueless savages that they never would've invented indoor plumbing, television, Pepsi Cola, or McDonalds on their own; we shepherded them into the modern era. In exchange for such munificence on our part, what's a little rape, abuse, and systematic oppression here and there?

:roll:

Jeesh. You just don't seem to appreciate the wonders of patriarchy.
Africans are our children. Who cares if we place their hands on hot stove burners when they're bad? We give them really nice Christmas presents to make up for it.

 

[Hatuey]

As if your opinion matters, dude.
Some white lady thinks "the good outweighs the bad".
In fact, that's pretty much what all white people think.
Africans are such clueless savages that they never would've invented indoor plumbing, television, Pepsi Cola, or McDonalds on their own; we shepherded them into the modern era. In exchange for such munificence on our part, what's a little rape, abuse, and systematic oppression here and there?

:roll:

Jeesh. You just don't seem to appreciate the wonders of patriarchy.
Africans are our children. Who cares if we place their hands on hot stove burners when they're bad? We give them really nice Christmas presents to make up for it.

I don't discount her opinion because she's white. My mom is white and I have no problem with her opinion on Africa either. I discount Marilyn's opinion because if looking at just the last 200 years of African history you can honestly tell me that blacks benefited from European rule and the subsequent consequences. Then you've got some serious issues. Be you black or white. The only thing I'll give to Europeans is that they managed to quell a lot of African tribalism while they were in Africa. They kept rivalries in check for the most part. But of course this came at the expense of well you know....diamonds, gold, slaves, forced labor, 2nd class black citizenry etc etc. The funniest part is that a lot of the Europeans who raped Africa never even set foot in it. Case and point Leopold(I forgot which one either I or II) of Belgium. The guy is responsible for an iron fist rule in Congo which killed 5 million people. Never set foot in Congo.

 

[Tashah]

Uh huh. I'd take a few deceases over 500 years of constant European rape. But that's just me. I'm sure if Africans had a chance they'd just love to do it all again. From slavery to being made second class citizens in their our countries up until 20-30 years ago.

All races have been oppressors at one time or another. All races have been victimized at one time or another. It just seems to go with living in the human landscape. We can't change what has been wrought. All we can do is to hopefully...learn from those one time or another lessons and resolve to abandon such dreary historical legacies.

 

[Hatuey]

All races have been oppressors at one time or another. All races have been victimized at one time or another. It just seems to go with living in the human landscape. We can't change what has been wrought. All we can do is to hopefully...learn from those one time or another lessons and resolve to abandon such dreary historical legacies.

Yeah but I have a problem with those who think Africans benefited from being oppressed for 500 years by whites. I know all races have been oppressors at one time or another. My problem is when people say that the oppressed came out benefiting. We're just going to have to agree to disagree here. We can talk about forgiving all we want. Let's not go and trying to change what happened because a few people believe Africans benefited that's when I start catching feelings. You'll have to take it as those holocaust deniers who think Jews actually had something to do with the 6 million deaths of the Holocaust. You know, when they say that it happened. It just wasn't as bad as "Jews" make it out to be. That's how I feel about people who try to tell me the good outweighed the bad in Africa. They acknowledged that bad happened. It just wasn't as bad as blacks are making it out to be. Whatever.

 

[Tashah]

Perhaps she expressed it badly, but I didn't interpret her post in that manner. She seemed to me to be saying that the negative events of the past are inexorably being replaced by postives. I don't think she intended to mean that advances in any way either mitigate or excuse the past.

 

[bub]

The funniest part is that a lot of the Europeans who raped Africa never even set foot in it. Case and point Leopold(I forgot which one either I or II) of Belgium. The guy is responsible for an iron fist rule in Congo which killed 5 million people. Never set foot in Congo.

Leopold II

and it must have been over 10 millions (= today's Belgian population :shock: ). But most of it occured during the first period, when it was the kings private property (= before 1908). After 1908 the were much less mistreated. I don't even know if they had no right to vote or were segregated like in South Africa or in the USA.

But as far as slavery (not colonization) is concerned, don't blame Europeans only. Millions of black people have been captured and sold in ME countries by Arabs. And black people also took a large part in this process, it was often the king of a tribe who sold his prisonners to Arabs/Europeans.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

--snip-- I think the good has outweighed the bad.

We have also lost a whole lot too - like living in balance with nature, living within our means. Sustainable lifestyle.

The western lifestyle has many things good but also a whole range of evils that we take pride in without realising the harm it does to once-proud cultures.

However, development is inexorable once it has started and I can only hope those countries developing in Africa and Asia learn from our mistakes. I also think Quatro's rubbishing all the development in Africa since the various countries reached independence based on the example of Mugabe is as misguided as an African using Hitler as a basis to judge all White Europeans. I've lived in many African countries since my birth there (white settler parents) and worked there too. They have come a long way in less than a 100 years. We got where we are after 4000 (if you count Greece and Israel's history as part of our history) but having walked through the remains of sites shelled to the stone age by Portuguese warships during the colonisation of Africa leads me to believe the old adage "history is written by conquerors".

We conquered Africa and re-wrote much of its history, remember that when you write their efforts off in future.

 

[Marilyn Monroe]

Yeah I forgot to make it painfully obvious that white "European" imperialism can be directly linked to most modern problems in Africa.

Could the Africans be to blame for any of their problems? This sounds to me like the blame game. Did whites always have it great?

Uh huh. I'd take a few deceases over 500 years of constant European rape. But that's just me. I'm sure if Africans had a chance they'd just love to do it all again. From slavery to being made second class citizens in their our countries up until 20-30 years ago.

You are making the whites sound superior in a way, and I'm sure you don't want to do that. But this is the problem when you are always crying underdog.

I know there has also been a lot of white on white oppression as well in history. It's usually who has the power at the time that winds up doing the oppressing. Right now in Africa you have black on black oppression, and it seems this has also always been the case. Anybody remember Idi Amin or the Butcher of Uganda?

 

[1069]

Could the Africans be to blame for any of their problems?

No.

This sounds to me like the blame game.

So?

Did whites always have it great?

Yes.



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[Hatuey]

believe the old adage "history is written by conquerors".

We conquered Africa and re-wrote much of its history, remember that when you write their efforts off in future.

No no it's not like that. Africans really benefited from being slaves and having their lands plundered non-stop for centuries. What would ever make Africans believe that it wasn't fair to gain running water or roads for their children being sent into slavery? They got medical advancements in a fair trade for being treated as second class citizen in their own country. You also got nuclear medicine in exchange for being forced to dig untold millions in diamonds and other precious stones. Seriously Africans. It was all fair trade. Not like Europeans chronically screwed you over for centuries and kept the masses so ignorant they were unable to see what was going on until it was too late.

 

[1069]

Look, if somebody breaks into your house, smashes your furniture, eats all your food, knocks your grandmother's false teeth out with a baseball bat, rapes your wife, breaks your legs, uproots your lawn, kills your children and kicks your dog, and then tells you how to build a really cool new solar-powered car they've recently invented, and then relegates you to living in the tool shed while they move into your home and force you to work as their servant... would you be grateful that they told you how to build a cool new solar-powered car?
Would you even want to build it, even if you had the means to?

 

[Hatuey]

Look, if somebody breaks into your house, smashes your furniture, eats all your food, knocks your grandmother's false teeth out with a baseball bat, rapes your wife, breaks your legs, uproots your lawn, kills your children and kicks your dog, and then tells you how to build a really cool new solar-powered car they've recently invented, and then relegates you to living in the tool shed while they move into your home and force you to work as their servant... would you be grateful that they told you how to build a cool new solar-powered car?
Would you even want to build it, even if you had the means to?

What would make you doubt that 1 minus 5 is 6?

 

[Caine]

No.



So?



Yes.



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Shhhhhh.......

You have no credibility to answer the questions.

 

[Hatuey]

Did whites always have it great?

In Africa? Gee I don't know. Who's lands were Ian Smith & UDI trying to protect? Who ran African countries at a whips length for hundreds of years? No. I'm sure whites were being forced to dig for gold and diamonds.

You are making the whites sound superior in a way, and I'm sure you don't want to do that. But this is the problem when you are always crying underdog.

Whites established their superiority in Africa through everything from slavery to making African majorities into 2nd class citizens up to a few decades ago.

I know there has also been a lot of white on white oppression as well in history.

That's great for whites and their white oppressors. I'm not an Armenian so I really don't care about Turks. Ya dig? I'm sure Armenians have as much distaste for anybody who claims what the Turks did to them was outweighed by the good they did. But that's only a guess. I'm sure if they could do the Armenian Genocide all over again they probably would just to get some roads.

It's usually who has the power at the time that winds up doing the oppressing. Right now in Africa you have black on black oppression, and it seems this has also always been the case. Anybody remember Idi Amin or the Butcher of Uganda?

Read what quatri w/e his name is....said. My response was in response to what he said. If you want to widen the goal post that's just fine. Don't sit here and tell me, imply, suggest, mention, preach, infer, insinuate, whatever you want to call it, that a few medical and technological advancements roads, water and reading were worth a few centuries of slavery, 2nd class citizenry, plundering and cultural destruction. Because I'll start catching feelings.

 

[RightOfCenter]

Might be a bit off topic, but has anyone read Guns, Germs, and Steel?

Very interesting look at how European cultures colonized the world.

YouTube - Guns, Germs and Steel Part 1 of 18

 

[bub]

Might be a bit off topic, but has anyone read Guns, Germs, and Steel?

Very interesting look at how European cultures colonized the world.

YouTube - Guns, Germs and Steel Part 1 of 18

Hey I had to read that last year! It was in Dutch so I did not understand everything but I loved that book.

(the title in Dutch is different: "Zwaarden, Paarden en Ziektekiemen" > "Swords, Horses and Hillnesses" )

Raaaah I had planned to work this evening but I'm gonna watch this movie! Thanks!

 

[RightOfCenter]

Hey I had to read that last year! It was in Dutch so I did not understand everything but I loved that book.

(the title in Dutch is different: "Zwaarden, Paarden en Ziektekiemen" > "Swords, Horses and Hillnesses" )

Raaaah I had planned to work this evening but I'm gonna watch this movie! Thanks!

That's just part one, but I think the rest of it is on youtube.

 

[bub]

That's just part one, but I think the rest of it is on youtube.

I've already watched the ten firsts :lol:

 

[Red_Dave]

Humanity is brutal and violent to a large degree, nothing to do with race, we are all one race anyway.

We really need to educate all people about birth control, and sterilization. Why have kids that are going to starve before your eyes? Makes no sense. This is brutality to me.

Actually if your living in extreame poverty it makes sence to have alot of children as you,ll need someone to look after you if you get old, given how its likely a number of them are going to die.

 

[Jray]

Might be a bit off topic, but has anyone read Guns, Germs, and Steel?

Very interesting look at how European cultures colonized the world.

YouTube - Guns, Germs and Steel Part 1 of 18

I read it a few years back and thought it was ok. It seems Diamond was oversimplifying history in order to fit environmental determinism.

 

[RightOfCenter]

I read it a few years back and thought it was ok. It seems Diamond was oversimplifying history in order to fit environmental determinism.

Hard to write a book for laymen without generalizing.

 

[1069]

Actually if your living in extreame poverty it makes sence to have alot of children as you,ll need someone to look after you if you get old, given how its likely a number of them are going to die.

In tribal situations, children are wealth.
If you can just see them through to adulthood (13 or so) sons can help you with your farming or herding or hunting or whatever it is you do; daughters bring in dowries. Maybe some goats or something. And, as Dave says, look after you when you're old.

 

[Jray]

Hard to write a book for laymen without generalizing.

True, but Diamond simplifies it to the point where he ignores major counter-evidence. Take the whole "East-West" and "North-South" axis allowing for easier diffusion of information. Diamond ignores different climates along the same latitude and the numerous mountain ranges and deserts that break up the are. Geography is only part of the reason history unfolded this way, not the entire reason as Diamond claims. The Turks blocking off the Silk Road has much more to do with white conquest than the geographical determinism Diamond promotes.

 

[RightOfCenter]

True, but Diamond simplifies it to the point where he ignores major counter-evidence. Take the whole "East-West" and "North-South" axis allowing for easier diffusion of information. Diamond ignores different climates along the same latitude and the numerous mountain ranges and deserts that break up the are. Geography is only part of the reason history unfolded this way, not the entire reason as Diamond claims. The Turks blocking off the Silk Road has much more to do with white conquest than the geographical determinism Diamond promotes.

Other than reading the book I'm not nearly well read enough about the issue to debate you on this point.