Glenn Beck at it again with the Nazi's

[haymarket]

I thoroughy can't stand him but end up listening to him all the damn time - my husband's a republican and loves the ****er.
He's read all of his books.

How about new crayons for Christmas for the next book?

 

[Barbbtx]

How about new crayons for Christmas for the next book?

Santa's going to leave you a lump of coal.

 

[haymarket]

Santa's going to leave you a lump of coal.

Thats okay Barb , after all these years I expect it.

 

[obvious Child]

Re: Baiting is infraction worthy.

Ok I will....end it all and start over....We can't afford any longer to fund your cushy jobs in the government that make at least twice what the same job on the outside makes just so you can bitch when people start waking up to the corruption you caused.

j-mac

Hyperbole much? I don't work for the government. Furthermore, you haven't addressed my point (not that you ever do, or anyone else's for that matter)

 

[obvious Child]

Re: Baiting is infraction worthy.

It's not socialisim. Veterans Health Care is earned by performing a service... unlike medicaid, vets receive treatment mostly because their injuries/illness can be directly related to their service. It's NOT free... a heavy price has been paid for elgibility.

Way to fail to understand what Socialism is.

Does the government own the property for VA Health? Yes.
Does the government dictate policy for VA Health? Yes.
Does the government employ the workers for VA Health? Yes.

The basics of Socialism are a government owned and run service. The fact that it's earned is irrelevant. Communally owned property with policy and operations set and run by the government make VA health Socialism.

You are doing exactly what I claimed. Something's not socialism if I like it regardless of it meeting the basic criteria

 

[WeAreReborn]

Re: Baiting is infraction worthy.

Way to fail to understand what Socialism is.

Does the government own the property for VA Health? Yes.
Does the government dictate policy for VA Health? Yes.
Does the government employ the workers for VA Health? Yes.

The basics of Socialism are a government owned and run service. The fact that it's earned is irrelevant. Communally owned property with policy and operations set and run by the government make VA health Socialism.

You are doing exactly what I claimed. Something's not socialism if I like it regardless of it meeting the basic criteria

If you are defining Socialism by only government run and government controlled, does that mean State Capitalism is just another word for Socialism?

 

[Aunt Spiker]

Re: Baiting is infraction worthy.

If you are defining Socialism by only government run and government controlled, does that mean State Capitalism is just another word for Socialism?

Or absolutism, a monarchy, communism.

Every government is a socialist government according to that definition - because every government has certain things it MUST control. The military - judiciary - legislation system.

It definitely takes far more than sharing one aspect *with* socialism in order to *be* a socialist.

That ignorant understanding is what comes from people really believing that Hitler was actually a socialist just because he used it in his party's name.

 

[obvious Child]

Re: Baiting is infraction worthy.

If you are defining Socialism by only government run and government controlled, does that mean State Capitalism is just another word for Socialism?

I'm defining Socialism by its basic tenants. Government ownership and government run.

Furthermore, State Capitalism is a term that makes no sense. Capitalism is free market and private ownership. If the government owned and ran the business, then it cannot be classified as Capitalism.

The problem Obamanator is doing is that he defines Socialism as whatever he does not like.

 

[obvious Child]

Re: Baiting is infraction worthy.

Every government is a socialist government according to that definition

Well, every government is socialist. There are a basic set of services that the government owns and runs with a few exceptions in history. When you don't have a socialist government you generally don't have a government.

Because every government has certain things it MUST control. The military - judiciary - legislation system.

DING-DING-DING. WINNER.

It definitely takes far more than sharing one aspect *with* socialism in order to *be* a socialist.

But it doesn't take much for a service to become Socialist even if the government overall is not.

TriCare IS Socialist by its very operations. But we do not see the anti-Obamcare people calling to end that because it's Socialist, hence they define Socialism as anything they do not like.

 

[Aunt Spiker]

Re: Baiting is infraction worthy.

As long as you denote that a 'service' can/might be socialist (in your application of the system-definition) but it's government is NOT then we're on the same track.

 

[obvious Child]

Re: Baiting is infraction worthy.

As long as you denote that a 'service' can/might be socialist

A service is socialistic if it meets the basic requirements. VA Health meets those requirements by all measures.

but it's government is NOT then we're on the same track.

Indeed. Like I said, if your government isn't providing some socialistic services, you don't have a government, but that does not mean the entire government is socialistic.

My point is simply that people go around defining socialism based on what they like.

 

[Aunt Spiker]

Re: Baiting is infraction worthy.

A service is socialistic if it meets the basic requirements. VA Health meets those requirements by all measures.



Indeed. Like I said, if your government isn't providing some socialistic services, you don't have a government, but that does not mean the entire government is socialistic.

My point is simply that people go around defining socialism based on what they like.

Well I just disagree with the VA being a socialist program - because the government is not actually controlling every aspect of all things that comprise the VA system - quite a bit of that is governed by proxy by private companies.

But still - you seem to be implying "socialism" negatively towards the VA which I don't understand.

 

[obvious Child]

Re: Baiting is infraction worthy.

Well I just disagree with the VA being a socialist program - because the government is not actually controlling every aspect of all things that comprise the VA system - quite a bit of that is governed by proxy by private companies.

Fair enough. Tricare as I understand it doesn't use private health providers. That part of VA is Socialist.

But still - you seem to be implying "socialism" negatively towards the VA which I don't understand.

I'm merely pointing out how certain people here treat things they like that do fit the criteria of Socialism as not Socialism while calling things that do not meet the criteria Socialist merely because they do not like them.

Is Socialism good or bad? Depends on the quantity and service/good.