• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Get vaccinated or else (we won't do the heart transplant)

In my opinion a vaccine offers 0% protection to a transplant patient whose immune system is shut down. you are welcome to disagree or prove me wrong.

I am 100% pro-vaccine. I am vaccinated and boosted. Including Covid, flu, and Shingrex, I had six vaccines injected into my arm in 2021. However I am 100% against vaccine mandates. And I think turning down a life saving organ transplant over a vaccine is insane as well as immoral, if not criminal.
That is your unqualified position, backed by no facts. There are a lot of doctors who do not agree with your position and can show evidence you are wrong, which is why they say people getting a transplant need to be vaccinated.
 
That is your unqualified position, backed by no facts. There are a lot of doctors who do not agree with your position and can show evidence you are wrong, which is why they say people getting a transplant need to be vaccinated.
Doctors in one era thought spiking kids orange juice with castor oil was healthy. What's your point? Doctors are not perfect.
 
In my opinion a vaccine offers 0% protection to a transplant patient whose immune system is shut down. you are welcome to disagree or prove me wrong.
Transplant patients still have an immune system. It is weakened by the anti-rejection drugs. It is not eliminated entirely. You even quoted proof you are wrong. You quoted a statement saying the body produces antibodies, just not enough of them. 0%? You're lying.

You need to understand something: Nobody gives a shit about your opinion. You, some rando on the internet, are not a doctor. You don't read medical research on immune responses. You don't know shit about anti-rejection drugs.

The sheer arrogance to think your random ass opinion is better than every medical expert in the field of transplant surgery. Wow.

I am 100% pro-vaccine. I am vaccinated and boosted. Including Covid, flu, and Shingrex, I had six vaccines injected into my arm in 2021. However I am 100% against vaccine mandates. And I think turning down a life saving organ transplant over a vaccine is insane as well as immoral, if not criminal.
Your opinion is based on an objectively false idea of how the immune system works, so nobody cares what you think.
 
@LetsGoBrandon

In a Brief Communication, published July 29, 2021 in the journal Transplant Infectious Disease , a team of physician-scientists at University of California San Diego School of Medicine found that solid organ transplant recipients who were vaccinated experienced an almost 80 percent reduction in the incidence of symptomatic COVID-19 compared to unvaccinated counterparts during the same time.


You said 0%. Let's see you pretend to still believe that, it'll be fun.
 
@LetsGoBrandon




You said 0%. Let's see you pretend to still believe that, it'll be fun.
From your link:

"The researchers examined clinical data from the UC San Diego Health transplant registry from January 1, 2021 through June 2, 2021, "

Not enough for a definitive judgement,
 
And Im done.

Apparently Brandon is an expert on viral studies, virology, statistics, general medicine, vaccines and flight.

He knows all.
 
From your link:

"The researchers examined clinical data from the UC San Diego Health transplant registry from January 1, 2021 through June 2, 2021, "

Not enough for a definitive judgement,
Hahahah keep on dancing. I really love seeing how far you guys will go to pretend you believe this kind of stuff.
 

Opinions vary. Which part of "vaccines are dependent on a functioning immune system" do you not understand?
What part of 'you're no doctor' dont you understand? Over and over from posters, while you post a delusion about knowing more about immune systems?

And this hypocrisy is still the front-runner :rolleyes: :

Unless you have a medical degree, you are making it up as you go along. Take care.
 
What part of 'you're no doctor' dont you understand? Over and over from posters, while you post a delusion about knowing more about immune systems?

And this hypocrisy is still the front-runner :rolleyes: :
Are you a doctor? if not, you are just giving your opinion as I am giving mine.
 
Doctors in one era thought spiking kids orange juice with castor oil was healthy. What's your point? Doctors are not perfect.
Skeptical fallacy. Anyone can be wrong therefore we can't really know either way. Childish B.S.
 
Are you a doctor? if not, you are just giving your opinion as I am giving mine.
I'm not presenting an opinion, I'm reading and concurring with the actual doctors.

When it comes to reality, you arent even capable of realizing that difference? :rolleyes:
 
Skeptical fallacy. Anyone can be wrong therefore we can't really know either way. Childish B.S.
It's just more of this, Asimov had it right:

“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”


― Issac Asimov
 
This is the kind of America Democrats want. If you do not agree with absolutely everything leftist filth say, they will actively seek your death. We've seen this exact same leftist mentality before during 1920s fascist Italy and during 1930s NAZI Germany. Once again history repeats itself, thanks entirely to the psychotic pieces of shit in the Democratic Party.
Seems to me the hospital explained the protocol. I am off to get a infusion procedure in a cpl hours at a local hospital. They will administer other drugs to prevent a negative reaction to the medicine, as the latter will depress my immune system. The patient here is, I assume, a candidate for a transplant, one of many candidates. A form of triage is in play, I assume. As Protestant Henry IV said when he converted to Catholicism to become king of France, “Paris is worth a mass.” This guy’s life is worth a shot in the arm.
 
This is the kind of America Democrats want. If you do not agree with absolutely everything leftist filth say, they will actively seek your death. We've seen this exact same leftist mentality before during 1920s fascist Italy and during 1930s NAZI Germany. Once again history repeats itself, thanks entirely to the psychotic pieces of shit in the Democratic Party.
The Nazis were leftists? Seems to me Adolf went after the commies first.
 
Actually, one of my relatives takes the same anti rejection drugs as those who get transplants. Most people with autoimmune diseases do. The first thing her doctor told her was to get the covid vaccines because if she should catch covid, without the vaccines boost to her antibodies that will attack the covid virus, she will die. So althoough I am not a doctor, my relatives RA doctor is a specialist and should know what she is talking about while you do not.
 
The Nazis were leftists? Seems to me Adolf went after the commies first.
The Nazi;s were fascists like the Italians. They were right wing, but most cons today are too stupid to understand. Comes from the dumbing down of our citizens.
 
When you get a transplant, your immune system is suppressed for a while. Vaccinating makes sense in that scenario.

Here are more facts, in this case it was a study on kidneys, but a transplant is a transplant:

Preventing organ rejection generally requires taking immunosuppressive drugs, which work to quiet down the transplant recipient's immune system so it won't reject the new organ. But this silencing also leaves patients significantly more vulnerable to COVID-19 infection and death than the general population.

A December 2020 study from France of more than 1,000 people hospitalized with COVID-19 found 18% of kidney transplant patients died, compared with 11% of nontransplant COVID-19 patients. In other studies looking not only at kidney transplant patients but other organs as well, this rate was between 20% and 30%.

Experts say it's important to be vaccinated before a transplant because the vaccine is less effective if administered after a transplant due to anti-rejection medications.

A lower percentage of post-transplant patients develop a "demonstrable antibody response" from the vaccine compared with the general population, Dr. David Klassen, chief medical officer of the United Network for Organ Sharing, a nonprofit that manages the nation's transplant waiting list, told USA TODAY.
That might make sense if the vaccines do what they are suppose to. Getting vaccinated does not prevent Covid.
I would like to know what the patients doctor has to say.
 
Back
Top Bottom