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German Journalist Given Seven Month Sentence for Meme Mocking Government’s ‘Hatred’ of Free Speech (2 Viewers)

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@german hick

You appear not shocked at all at somebody getting sentenced to 7 months for exercising essentially what is his right to free speech.



I´m not shocked because I don´t believe it


So what's your deal? Clearly you didnt look up the case, it just suffices that it does not suit your purposes? If there are various media reporting an incident you are not entitled to your beliefs; you have to make a case for rebuttal










 
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What happened to the "liberal democracies" of Europe?
Germany has been accused of violating basic Western values yet again, as a news editor in Germany faces a hefty fine and a seven month prison sentence for posting a meme mocking the government’s “hatred” of free speech.


The Bamberg district court in Bavaria sentenced Deutschland-Kurier editor David Bendels this week to seven months in prison on probation and a fine of nearly sixty per cent of his annual income, or 210 ‘daily rates’, for posting an image on social media of Interior Minister Nancy Faeser holding an altered sign.


The common meme tactic of changing the words on signs held by politicians for satirical purposes was used to make Faeser’s sign read: “I hate freedom of speech”.


Bendels was initially convicted in November, and the ruling was confirmed on Monday, finding that he had committed “defamation directed against people in political life,” Die Welt reported on Tuesday.According to Bendels, it is the first time in the history of the Federal Republic of Germany that a journalist has been threatened with prison for breaching the statute.
You literally defend Putin.
 
I'm confused why this is being debated by American conservatives.

You know that the First Amendment only applies to Americans and people on American soil? So, why are you concerned with Germans prosecuting someone based on their own laws, while Trump continues to attack our First Amendment?

I guess this story was more enthralling when you saw it on Fox News or Newsmax?
 
I'm confused why this is being debated by American conservatives.


I am also confused why progressives- American or not- are not alarmed over a violation of a fundamental right: the right to freedom of expression


You know that the First Amendment only applies to Americans and people on American soil? So, why are you concerned with Germans prosecuting someone based on their own laws, while Trump continues to attack our First Amendment?


I do not recall anyone on this thread mentioning the First Amendment. And you certainly are welcome to raise what issues you have about Trump and the First Amendment; that should not preclude others addressing Freedom of Expression issues elsewhere. The issue of Freedom of Expression is not limited to space or time, the First Amendment is America's codification of it


I guess this story was more enthralling when you saw it on Fox News or Newsmax?


I saw the story on UK publications; liberal ones as well
 
I am also confused why progressives- American or not- are not alarmed over a violation of a fundamental right: the right to freedom of expression
Why do you think they don't have freedom of expression? Trump has sued multiple news agencies for defamation, on a lot flimsier grounds. If NBC altered an image of Trump saying something he didn't, pretty sure he'd sue them. In Germany, the offense of defamation of a political figure can lead to a 6 month to five year prison sentence. That's their law
I do not recall anyone on this thread mentioning the First Amendment. And you certainly are welcome to raise what issues you have about Trump and the First Amendment; that should not preclude others addressing Freedom of Expression issues elsewhere. The issue of Freedom of Expression is not limited to space or time, the First Amendment is America's codification of it
It's just a pretty large dose of hypocrisy that it's crickets from people on the right including this message board when it's being done in this country. You guys all start wearing the tri corner hats again and pretend you actually give two shits about basic rights when it's a Nazi in Germany arrested based on their laws for defamation.
 
He got a suspended prison sentence, and a fine. He is a Nazi.. a supporter of AfD and his little paper is a propaganda newspaper for AfD. What he did, was take a picture of a German minister holding a sign commemorating the holocaust, removed the text and add a new text saying "I hate freedom of speech".... now I suspect that the holocaust bit might have been the problem.. not so much the defamation part.
Do you believe any of this should be illegal?
 
Why do you think they don't have freedom of expression?


If Germany did then David Bendel would not have been facing prosecution for mocking a government minister.



Trump has sued multiple news agencies for defamation, on a lot flimsier grounds. If NBC altered an image of Trump saying something he didn't, pretty sure he'd sue them. In Germany, the offense of defamation of a political figure can lead to a 6 month to five year prison sentence. That's their law


Germany cannot both claim such a barbaric law and claim to be a democracy. Ex German Interior Minister Nancy Faesar cannot be protected by the law from mockery


It's just a pretty large dose of hypocrisy that it's crickets from people on the right including this message board when it's being done in this country. You guys all start wearing the tri corner hats again and pretend you actually give two shits about basic rights when it's a Nazi in Germany arrested based on their laws for defamation.


Are you not free to denounce Trump all you want :)?
 
By being Nazis? Throwing someone into a German dungeon for mocking a public figure is Nazist. Whether he can survive a German prison is a whole other matter.
The sentence is suspended. The OP forgot to mention that bit.
Do you know anything about German prisons?
I do. As do most other people.
Clearly.

but I read a lot about them in WWII books.
That's your problem.
 
I am also confused why progressives- American or not- are not alarmed over a violation of a fundamental right: the right to freedom of expression





I do not recall anyone on this thread mentioning the First Amendment. And you certainly are welcome to raise what issues you have about Trump and the First Amendment; that should not preclude others addressing Freedom of Expression issues elsewhere. The issue of Freedom of Expression is not limited to space or time, the First Amendment is America's codification of it
You forget that this happened in Germany which, in your total ignorance of the country and its laws, you also fail to see is not the US.
I saw the story on UK publications; liberal ones as well
You know nothing of this case, as usual whenever you spout forth in total ignorance of what you speak of.

For all other readers not interested in your horse manure, the sentence is open for appeal and that appeal will most likely squash it altogether.
 
Why do you think they don't have freedom of expression? Trump has sued multiple news agencies for defamation, on a lot flimsier grounds. If NBC altered an image of Trump saying something he didn't, pretty sure he'd sue them. In Germany, the offense of defamation of a political figure can lead to a 6 month to five year prison sentence. That's their law

It's just a pretty large dose of hypocrisy that it's crickets from people on the right including this message board when it's being done in this country. You guys all start wearing the tri corner hats again and pretend you actually give two shits about basic rights when it's a Nazi in Germany arrested based on their laws for defamation.
He's not arrested, @Juin is on one of his abundant trips into the world of his most favored fantasies.
 
The sentence is suspended. The OP forgot to mention that bit.

I do. As do most other people.

Clearly.


That's your problem.
But do you believe a crime even happened here ?
 
The sentence is suspended. The OP forgot to mention that bit.
it's also open to appeal, something that will probably succeed when the perp (as he will) takes it to the next instance.

There's a joke going around Germany (I hear) of "how does one make Nancy Faeser's eyes shine?"

"Put a flashlight against one of her ears",
I do. As do most other people.

Clearly.


That's your problem.
Forum rules preclude me from commenting on his horse shit.
 
The court believes there was. We'll see what the appeal court rules.


Do you believe mocking a government minister should be a crime?
 
I think Euro prefer an elite ruling class to the proletariat run society

Lol a right wingers conception of "proletariat" isn't actually the entire working class, it's just a subset of populist Nazis.
 
Defending someone you disagree doesn’t make you a supporter of them.
 
in your opinion?
I think the libeled person would have been better advised to not give this scumbag the attention they all so desperately crave, by simply ignoring the whole thing (rather than taking it to court).

Let me put it this way: If someone like @Juin (who resides in Germany as little as I do) called me a Nazi holocaust denying pedophile there, I'd have the option of suing him for libel.

If I did that, the court would decide on the gravity of the libel and pass the sentence it holds to be appropriate.

I wouldn't sue though, seeing how I don't waste my time with people like that or any other.

But if I did, the court is under obligation to take the matter up and decide whatever.

In Germany freedom of expression does not trump the laws on libel.
 

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