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George Zimmerman's attorneys withdraw from Trayvon Martin case

I really don't find the need to justify my words to you, but if you go back through this entire thread, you will notice I NEVER used the word murdered...and that was for a reason...you can read anything you want into it, I know that's what you do best...



Your words....


Sad that you respect a guy who killed an unarmed 17yr old, minding his own business in his own neighborhood...



Please tell me how that would not be "murder".... you made baseless pontifications on the case without the full story.
 
Your words....






Please tell me how that would not be "murder".... you made baseless pontifications on the case without the full story.

Maybe you should read the definition of the word fact...

Zimmerman killed Martin - fact!

Martin was walking home from a convenience store after buying iced tea and skittles - fact! (I like skittles, do you? not the new sour ones but the original ones)
 
That is not the way the law works. The only reason a person gets brought to trial is because there is evidence of a crime.
No, there are two different courts, criminal where a prosecutor can bring a criminal case...and....a civil court where a interested party can bring suite.
 
So by that logic, Zimmerman admitted he committed murder when he admitted to the killing.



Really, how do you jump to that conclusion, I believe Zimmerman is claiming self defense, not that he: "killed an unarmed 17yr old, minding his own business in his own neighborhood..."


not all killings are murder, but as factually incorrectly described by jasonI that sure is.
 
I really don't find the need to justify my words to you, but if you go back through this entire thread, you will notice I NEVER used the word murdered...and that was for a reason...you can read anything you want into it, I know that's what you do best...

You might be right. I’m not going through all the posts because it doesn’t really matter.

A teen on leave from school was considered suspicious by a guy. You are now on record stating the teen was minding his own business.

How do you know that? How can you be sure when he ran off, it was to hide drugs, or burglary tools?

You want to claim to be this reasonable guy waiting for the evidence, but you are making assumptions that clearly indicate you are not waiting for the evidence at all. You have made up your mind. The teen was innocent, and was murdered.
 
Really, how do you jump to that conclusion, I believe Zimmerman is claiming self defense, not that he: "killed an unarmed 17yr old, minding his own business in his own neighborhood..."


not all killings are murder, but as factually incorrectly described by jasonI that sure is.
He has admitted to killing a person, you brought in the "logic" that killing = murder.
 
You might be right. I’m not going through all the posts because it doesn’t really matter.

A teen on leave from school was considered suspicious by a guy. You are now on record stating the teen was minding his own business.

How do you know that? How can you be sure when he ran off, it was to hide drugs, or burglary tools?

You want to claim to be this reasonable guy waiting for the evidence, but you are making assumptions that clearly indicate you are not waiting for the evidence at all. You have made up your mind. The teen was innocent, and was murdered.

Furthermore to this point. When you say someone needs to be arrested for killing someone else it indicates you think a murder was committed. YOU have said you want Zimmerman arrested.
 
He has admitted to killing a person, you brought in the "logic" that killing = murder.


I did no such thing. I provided that the context used by jason, in using the term killing an unarmed kid etc was murder. Jason made several inaccurate presumptions, that if true would constitute murder, he did, exactly what he claimed he didn't do.
 
they clearly conducted a pathetic investigation so his word means nothing
Where to you get the info to come to these two conclusion?
Two conclusion that I find to be ridiculous.


the part in there that says "at this point" which means they weren't finished with the investigation...
LOL
He said what he did previously because of the unfounded uproar.
And the next week he says he stands by his initial investigation. An investigation where no charges were brought.
An investigation that concluded with no evidence disputing Zimmerman's claim.
Your points really are meaningless.


I understand everything about it
Apparently not.
 
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I did no such thing. I provided that the context used by jason, in using the term killing an unarmed kid etc was murder. Jason made several inaccurate presumptions, that if true would constitute murder, he did, exactly what he claimed he didn't do.
No, that was your assumption, he never said "murder", you are trying to put words into his mouth...but that is what you do.

I'll assume something......If he is innocent of murder, why drop communication with your counsel, disappear...etc.?
 
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Isn't the crime the killing of Martin and self defense the killers defense used at trial?

Killing a person is not always a crime. Your defense is usually given as part of the investigation. If police/DA think you acted in self defense, or if they dont think they can disprove your claim beyond a reasonable doubt then they dont waste time bringing you to trial. The only way they are going to bring you to trial is if they think you committed a crime.
 
No, that was your assumption, he never said "murder", you are trying to put words into his mouth...but that is what you do.

the "killing" as falsey described by jason would be under law, "murder". I am sorry you find this simple concept difficult.


I'll assume something......If he is innocent of murder, why drop communication with your counsel, disappear...etc.?



OOOH MORE SPECULATION! FUN!


let's see, some possibilities, He is aware he will not be charged, he ran out of money, he retained new council, any of a number of reasons.

Disapeared? Maybe because people like spike lee keep trying to tweet his address so the NBP's can collect on that reward for his killing.... gee... common sense, isn't that common anymore. :lol:
 
I found this link to Florida's homicide crimes.
Chapter 782 - HOMICIDE :: Florida CRIMES :: 2005 Florida Code :: Florida Code :: US Codes and Statutes :: US Law :: Justia
782.02 Justifiable use of deadly force.
782.02 Justifiable use of deadly force.--The use of deadly force is justifiable when a person is resisting any attempt to murder such person or to commit any felony upon him or her or upon or in any dwelling house in which such person shall be.

The prosecution will have to prove Zimmerman does NOT meet the above definition.
The other types of homicide are listed also, but this is the most likely.
The other choice would be,
782.11 Unnecessary killing to prevent unlawful act.--Whoever shall unnecessarily kill another, either while resisting an attempt by such other person to commit any felony, or to do any other unlawful act, or after such attempt shall have failed, shall be deemed guilty of manslaughter, a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
 
Furthermore to this point. When you say someone needs to be arrested for killing someone else it indicates you think a murder was committed. YOU have said you want Zimmerman arrested.
You can be arrested for manslaughter, you can be arrested while an investigation is carried out....the power of arrest is broad.

Again...you are making assumptions.
 
You can be arrested for manslaughter, you can be arrested while an investigation is carried out....the power of arrest is broad.

Again...you are making assumptions.

I am not making assumptions. Arrests are made when a crime is believed to have been committed. If the police investigate and determine you did nothing wrong you are not arrested.
 
the "killing" as falsey described by jason would be under law, "murder". I am sorry you find this simple concept difficult.
Um, no, manslaughter is a possibility, it depends on the prosecutor and the evidence.






OOOH MORE SPECULATION! FUN!


let's see, some possibilities, He is aware he will not be charged, he ran out of money, he retained new council, any of a number of reasons.

Disapeared? Maybe because people like spike lee keep trying to tweet his address so the NBP's can collect on that reward for his killing.... gee... common sense, isn't that common anymore. :lol:
Kinda hard to get that info when you go underground....
 
I am not making assumptions. Arrests are made when a crime is believed to have been committed. If the police investigate and determine you did nothing wrong you are not arrested.
Yes, you did make the assumption that in Jason's view there are only two possibilities, murder or innocence.
I pointed out that there are other possibilities for an arrest when someone is killed, you are avoiding your own point.
 
Yes, you did make the assumption that in Jason's view there are only two possibilities, murder or innocence.
I pointed out that there are other possibilities for an arrest when someone is killed, you are avoiding your own point.

I am not avoiding anything. Manslaughter is a crime. Murder is a crime. If the police/DA dont believe you committed a crime they arent going to arrest you. Dont sit here and manipulate what I am saying.

The facts as we have them do not indicate that a crime was committed. The initial investigation did not conclude that a crime has been committed. Insisting on Zimmermans arrest means you are insisting that Zimmerman committed a crime. I am not sure how much more simple I can make that for you.
 
Um, no, manslaughter is a possibility, it depends on the prosecutor and the evidence.


Your ignorance of the law is great. If it went down as he said, it would be 2nd degree murder.

Second-degree murder is ordinarily defined as 1) an intentional killing that is not premeditated or planned, nor committed in a reasonable "heat of passion" or 2) a killing caused by dangerous conduct and the offender's obvious lack of concern for human life. Second-degree murder may best be viewed as the middle ground between first-degree murder and voluntary manslaughter.



Voluntary manslaughter is commonly defined as an intentional killing in which the offender had no prior intent to kill, such as a killing that occurs in the "heat of passion." The circumstances leading to the killing must be the kind that would cause a reasonable person to become emotionally or mentally disturbed; otherwise, the killing may be charged as a first-degree or second-degree murder.


the best you could hope for would be VM, however, this clearly does not fit.



Thank me very much., :pimpdaddy:




Kinda hard to get that info when you go underground....


Not seen by the media =/= "going underground".... more speculation, eh?
 
I challenge you to read:






Please to explain how this is anything but calling it "murder", in your eyes. He did exactly what he said he wouldn't do. I am sorry you can't see it.

It is not how I or anyone else SEES IT. It is the word used by the poster. That word was KILLED. And even Zimmerman admits he KILLED Martin.
 
It is not how I or anyone else SEES IT. It is the word used by the poster. That word was KILLED. And even Zimmerman admits he KILLED Martin.




Again I challenge you to read:



Sad that you respect a guy who killed an unarmed 17yr old, minding his own business in his own neighborhood...

you forgot to add: "an unarmed 17yr old, minding his own business in his own neighborhood." in that context it is a clear case for 2nd degree murder. the use of the word kill in this case is clearly synonymous with "murder".
 
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