George Zimmerman in custody

[Excon]

Seriously? Do you think the forum needed more evidence that you have no idea what you're talking about?

Nautical dusk is the term used to describe the time at which the sun is 12 degrees below the horizon in the evening. At this time, objects are no longer distinguishable.

Dictionary - Definition of dusk

Do you get it? At 12 degrees, objects are no longer distinguishable. According to the time you posted, at 7:13, "objects are no longer distinguishable." What do you call that if not, "pitch black?"

:doh:doh:doh
Seriously is right. You are seriously wrong.
I said it was dusk, and it was.
But you wont even admit that, will you?
Instead of admitting that you were wrong about it being Dusk, you want to keep taking this argument to an illumination thingy.
Something I didn't initially put forth, except in reply, to say you are wrong about it being "pitch black".
Which you are.

I will get back to you after I gather the info to show you why you are wrong.

 

[Sheik Yerbuti]

What you believe the Professor is saying, he is not.
You are at fault for reading into it something you want to be there, when it doesn't exist.

It is either that, or we are having two different arguments.
Because the Professor is speaking about Zimmerman's actions and how the jury would perceive Zimmerman's actions.
Not how or what Trayvon thought about them or his state of mind.

Oh, well. I tried to help you.

Trayvon's thoughts, his state of mind, is irrelevant to the legality of Zimmerman's actions.

They are, even though you still don't understand why.

 

[Excon]

Oh, well. I tried to help you.


They are, even though you still don't understand why.

Oh, well my butt.
You were wrong and you know it.

Trayvon's thoughts, his state of mind, is irrelevant to the legality of Zimmerman's actions.

 

[Sheik Yerbuti]

Seriously is right. You are seriously wrong.
I said it was dusk, and it was.
But you wont even admit that, will you?
Instead of admitting that you were wrong about it being Dusk, you want to keep taking this argument to an illumination thingy.
Something I didn't initially put forth, except in reply, to say you are wrong about it being "pitch black".
Which you are.

I will get back to you after I gather the info to show you why you are wrong.

Actually, what you said was:

Sheik Yerbuti: "Zimmerman was following Trayvon in the dark ... fact"

Excon: "7:15 pm ish, Dusk, not dark."

Then earlier today, you posted that at 7:13, it's so dark out, that "objects are no longer distinguishable, and the horizon is no longer visible to the naked eye."

:lamo:lamo:lamo

 

[sharon]

Actually, what you said was:

Sheik Yerbuti: "Zimmerman was following Trayvon in the dark ... fact"

Excon: "7:15 pm ish, Dusk, not dark."

Then earlier today, you posted that at 7:13, it's so dark out, that "objects are no longer distinguishable, and the horizon is no longer visible to the naked eye."

:lamo:lamo:lamo

Actually the residents said it was DARK.. not pitch black, not dusk, not twilight, but dark and raining intermittently.

 

[iguanaman]

Oh, well my butt.
You were wrong and you know it.

Trayvon's thoughts, his state of mind, is irrelevant to the legality of Zimmerman's actions.

Because Zim shot him dead, that makes Trayvon irrelevant, right? Or is it his race?

 

[Excon]

Actually, what you said was:

Sheik Yerbuti: "Zimmerman was following Trayvon in the dark ... fact"

Excon: "7:15 pm ish, Dusk, not dark."[/COLOR]

I already addressed this a while back.
Of course you wanted to ignore it, but it was addressed.

It was the factual accuracy that was being addressed.
It was dusk is the more accurate description, rather than it was dark.

Then earlier today, you posted that at 7:13, [highlight]it's so dark[/highlight] out, that "objects are no longer distinguishable, and the horizon is no longer visible to the naked eye."

Really?
Wow! You can't even get that right.

I provided information from a source, and then repeated the info in another post.
But I did not say it.
I also pointed out to you what it said about Astronomical Dusk beginning at 18° below the local horizon and that being "the time the sun no longer illuminates the sky".
Which indicated that the sun was still illuminating the sky before this period.
Did you bother to check why there was a conflict of info?
I did.

And like I said; I will get back to you after I gather the info to show you why you are wrong.

 

[Sheik Yerbuti]

Oh, well my butt.
You were wrong and you know it.

Trayvon's thoughts, his state of mind, is irrelevant to the legality of Zimmerman's actions.

Nope, not wrong. If Trayvon struck first, the prosecution needs to prove he was acting in self defense and was provoked into attacking Zimmerman. That requires that Trayvon had to reasonably fear Zimmerman posed an imminent threat to him.

Unless there's somne other evidence that Zimmerman is lying, if they can't prove Trayvon was acting in self defense, Zimmerman wins.

Trayvon's state of mind is critical. Corey knows this even though you don't as she included Trayvon's state of mind in the capias; by detailing how Trayvon expressed fear to his friend on the phone and and how he tried to flee Zimmerman in fear.

 

[Tettsuo]

Oh, well my butt.
You were wrong and you know it.

Trayvon's thoughts, his state of mind, is irrelevant to the legality of Zimmerman's actions.

if you seriously believe this you've lost touch with humanity. State of mind plays a part in how Trayvon would have responded thus supporting or invalidating Zimmerman's account of the incident.

 

[ric27]

if you seriously believe this you've lost touch with humanity. State of mind plays a part in how Trayvon would have responded thus supporting or invalidating Zimmerman's account of the incident.

Prove that Zim's account is false....

Bring in your main witness....oh, I'm sorry, he is not here. Making up **** on how a dead man was suppose to think is far fetched

 

[Caine]

GZ was "treated" by EMT's in the back of the squad car for 5 minutes.. He wasn't taken to the hospital, didn't have a Cat Scan ... so its unlikely his injury was serious.. But, wait on the EMT report .. that evidence will be available to the prosecution and the defense.

How do you know it was 5 minutes?

Do you have anything to back that up?

 

[Sheik Yerbuti]

I already addressed this a while back.
Of course you wanted to ignore it, but it was addressed.

It was the factual accuracy that was being addressed.
It was dusk is the more accurate description, rather than it was dark.

But it was dark, you posted ... "objects are no longer distinguishable, and the horizon is no longer visible to the naked eye."

That's dark.

Really?
Wow! You can't even get that right.

I provided information from a source, and then repeated the info in another post.
But I did not say it.

What difference does it make where you got that information from?? You posted it. I copied it from your post. Live with it.

I also pointed out to you what it said about Astronomical Dusk beginning at 18° below the local horizon and that being "the time the sun no longer illuminates the sky".
Which indicated that the sun was still illuminating the sky before this period.
Did you bother to check why there was a conflict of info?
I did.

And like I said; I will get back to you after I gather the info to show you why you are wrong.

Earlier today, you posted the description, "objects are no longer distinguishable, and the horizon is no longer visible to the naked eye."

Now compare that with what you said, "7:15 pm ish, Dusk, not dark."

 

[Sheik Yerbuti]

Prove that Zim's account is false....

Bring in your main witness....oh, I'm sorry, he is not here. Making up **** on how a dead man was suppose to think is far fetched

You know there are other witnesses who are still alive, right?

 

[MaggieD]

But it was dark, you posted ... "objects are no longer distinguishable, and the horizon is no longer visible to the naked eye."

That's dark.



What difference does it make where you got that information from?? You posted it. I copied it from your post. Live with it.


Earlier today, you posted the description, "objects are no longer distinguishable, and the horizon is no longer visible to the naked eye."

Now compare that with what you said, "7:15 pm ish, Dusk, not dark."

Respectfully? And with a big *grin* . . . You two guys remind me of:

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Would someone tell me what difference it makes??

:rofl

 

[Tettsuo]

Prove that Zim's account is false....

Prove his account is accurate. Specifically when experts have already stated it wasn't him who was screaming for help... contrary to the lie he told.

Bring in your main witness....oh, I'm sorry, he is not here. Making up **** on how a dead man was suppose to think is far fetched

Read above.

 

[Caine]

You know there are other witnesses who are still alive, right?

So you would have the girlfriend testify, from her phone call, what Martin was thinking and feeling?

OBJECTION YOUR HONOR!

You'll never get it in.

 

[sharon]

How do you know it was 5 minutes?

Do you have anything to back that up?

The first officer was on the scene at 7:17.. Trayvon was pronounced dead at 7:25...

Its a 15 minute ride from the Retreat to the police department and they arrived at 7:52

That means they left the retreat at 7:37 PM.. That leaves 12 minutes for everything else including treating GZ in the back of the squad car.

 

[sharon]

So you would have the girlfriend testify, from her phone call, what Martin was thinking and feeling?

OBJECTION YOUR HONOR!

You'll never get it in.

The Feds and FL State Law enforcement have both interviewed her and taken her statement.

 

[Caine]

The first officer was on the scene at 7:17.. Trayvon was pronounced dead at 7:25...

Its a 15 minute ride from the Retreat to the police department and they arrived at 7:52

That means they left the retreat at 7:37 PM.. That leaves 12 minutes for everything else including treating GZ in the back of the squad car.

So how did you come up with 5 minutes?
How are you certain that a different medical unit wasn't working on Trayvon than the ones that were cleaning up Zimmerman?

 

[Caine]

The Feds and FL State Law enforcement have both interviewed her and taken her statement.

You have no clue what I am talking about.

OBJECTION: Calls for Speculation. Your honor the witness is not qualified to testify to the jury what the victim was thinking at the time.

Sustained.

 

[sharon]

So how did you come up with 5 minutes?
How are you certain that a different medical unit wasn't working on Trayvon than the ones that were cleaning up Zimmerman?

The EMTs will enter a report into evidence...

They will state if they put a butterfly on his head and swabbed off some blood and/or examined his nose.

They didn't put him in the ambulance or insist on a Cat Scan.. They let him go to the police station.

If the police had thought he was seriously injured they would NOT have accepted the liability of taking him to the police station.

 

[Excon]

Respectfully? And with a big *grin* . . . You two guys remind me of:

Did too - Did not - Did too - Did not - Did too - Did not - Did too - Did not - Did too - Did not - Did too - Did not - Did too - Did not - Did too - Did not - Did too - Did not - Did too - Did not - Did too - Did not - Did too - Did not - Did too - Did not - Did too - Did not - Did too - Did not - Did too - Did not - ad infinitum.

Would someone tell me what difference it makes??

:rofl

Really? You got to ask?

He is someone who is wrong on the internet! :doh

 

[Tettsuo]

So you would have the girlfriend testify, from her phone call, what Martin was thinking and feeling?

OBJECTION YOUR HONOR!

You'll never get it in.

You're objection doesn't make sense. State of mind is valid as evidence. All Martin's girlfriend has to do is tell the court what he said. That's enough to give us a picture of his state of mind.

 

[MaggieD]

The EMTs will enter a report into evidence...

They will state if they put a butterfly on his head and swabbed off some blood and/or examined his nose.

They didn't put him in the ambulance or insist on a Cat Scan.. They let him go to the police station.

If the police had thought he was seriously injured they would NOT have accepted the liability of taking him to the police station.

Did Zimmerman have health insurance? I've known people having heart attacks who had to be beaten into going to the hospital because it's so expensive. EMT's will never transport a conscious person to the hospital against their will.

For every supposition posters come up with, there's a supposition on the other side of the argument to counter it. Every single one. That's why we have trials, the rule of law, and standards for evidence.

 

[sharon]

Did Zimmerman have health insurance? I've known people having heart attacks who had to be beaten into going to the hospital because it's so expensive. EMT's will never transport a conscious person to the hospital against their will.

For every supposition posters come up with, there's a supposition on the other side of the argument to counter it. Every single one. That's why we have trials, the rule of law, and standards for evidence.

And the police can't risk him dying with a head injury in a holding cell.