George Zimmerman in custody

[Mason66]

See now, you totally lost it. It is not my gauge, it is the standard used in Florida.

But you are trying to apply it to a case where it does not belong.

You think the 2nd degree murder was charged because the victim was 17 years old?

If the victim had been 18, what would the charge be?

 

[Excon]

He is a child in florida, he was 17, he was not 6 ft, I doubt he was over 130lbs.

If you think it is reasonable for a parent to kill a child because they threw a rock at that parent, you are an over-reacting human and should not have access to a gun, you are making an irresponsible argument.

You doubt.
You really do not know what you are talking about do you?

Thank you for showing everybody that you don't know.

The police report, you know the Official one, puts Trayvon at 6'0", 160lbs. Zimmerman at 5'9".
Other media reports put Trayvon between 6'2" to 6'3", and Zimmerman at 5'8", 170 lbs.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

But you are trying to apply it to a case where it does not belong.

That is your claim without any legal support.

You think the 2nd degree murder was charged because the victim was 17 years old?

That is what is written in the criminal complaint, as stated he was under 18.

If the victim had been 18, what would the charge be?

I don't know nor do I care.

 

[Excon]

You only have the testimony of Zim for the "slamming". Even with this, no reasonable parent would knowingly use deadly force.

Are you purposely being obtuse?
You do realize that there are parent children relationships out there in the real world that are volatile.
With parent shooting their own kids and kids shooting their own parents.
Don't tell me for one second that if one of those relationships ended up in similar circumstance that we are discussing, that the parent wouldn't use deadly force.

To even think that they wouldn't is crazy.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

You doubt.
You really do not know what you are talking about do you?

Thank you for showing everybody that you don't know.

The police report, you know the Official one, puts Trayvon at 6'0", 160lbs. Zimmerman at 5'9".
Other media reports put Trayvon between 6'2" to 6'3", and Zimmerman at 5'8", 170 lbs.

I know, the 17 year old has been gaining weight and height while George is shrinking.

You edge ever closer to the "But your honor, I didn't know she was 17" plea.

 

[Excon]

Other than the dead body.

LOL
It doesn't say that Zimmerman was in the wrong, or that the original decision not to prosecute was wrong.

 

[Stormageddon]

He said it should be investigated properly! What else do you expect of him. What should he have said?

Did he say that "I need to remind everyone that in this country everyone regardless of the alleged crime is innocent until proven guilty"? If not then he shouldn't have said a word not to mention that it is not within the generally accepted purview of the POTUS to comment on a local criminal investigation in the first place.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Are you purposely being obtuse?
You do realize that there are parent children relationships out there in the real world that are volatile.
With parent shooting their own kids and kids shooting their own parents.
Don't tell me for one second that if one of those relationships ended up in similar circumstance that we are discussing, that the parent wouldn't use deadly force.

To even think that they wouldn't is crazy.

Um, I asked you to present case history of parent using deadly force, you have none. This was not a gun versus gun scene, this was a 17 year old using his fists against an unreasonable 29 year old with a gun who had been following the kid for a while, called him a "f'ing punk" and killed him. No reasonable parent would do this.

 

[Hatuey]

I wonder what a jury of his peers will look like. Leave it to defence attorneys to win a trial by finger ****ing the jury selection.

 

[Mustachio]

You doubt.
You really do not know what you are talking about do you?

Thank you for showing everybody that you don't know.

The police report, you know the Official one, puts Trayvon at 6'0", 160lbs. Zimmerman at 5'9".
Other media reports put Trayvon between 6'2" to 6'3", and Zimmerman at 5'8", 170 lbs.

Argh, it's so frustrating to see people argue about how tall they were and how much they weighed. We'll see the facts come out, right now we're relying on what Zimmerman said, and what Martin's parents have said, and what an unidentified eye witness has said. We have not heard anything about forensic evidence and we know nothing about Zimmerman's injuries except for what has been shown on a camera later on in the night and the "digital enhancement" of said footage. When we get a specific timeline of the events, including when phones calls began and ended, and forensic evidence detailing how far away Zimmerman was from Martin when he shot, then we'll have a much better idea of what really happened.

Right now, Zimmerman is in custody because he followed Trayvon Martin because he thought he "looked suspicious," and then shot and killed the unarmed 17 year old. I don't care who you are or what you believe, if you think that it's improper for a person to be charged with second degree murder under those circumstances, you're crazy. You can't go around with a gun playing police officer and following anybody you deem suspicious. End of story.

 

[Excon]

Um, I asked you to present case history of parent using deadly force, you have none. This was not a gun versus gun scene, this was a 17 year old using his fists against an unreasonable 29 year old with a gun who had been following the kid for a while, called him a "f'ing punk" and killed him. No reasonable parent would do this.

Wow!
You have things so twisted in your mind that it isn't even funny any more.
Additionally, no one said anything about a gun-vs-gun scene.
This wasn't child abuse.

No one in their right mind would call the actions of a person defending themselves, child abuse.
You have been shown the law.
Get over it. Move on.

 

[Hatuey]

Argh, it's so frustrating to see people argue about how tall they were and how much they weighed. We'll see the facts come out, right now we're relying on what Zimmerman said, and what Martin's parents have said, and what an unidentified eye witness has said. We have not heard anything about forensic evidence and we know nothing about Zimmerman's injuries except for what has been shown on a camera later on in the night and the "digital enhancement" of said footage. When we get a specific timeline of the events, including when phones calls began and ended, and forensic evidence detailing how far away Zimmerman was from Martin when he shot, then we'll have a much better idea of what really happened.

Right now, Zimmerman is in custody because he followed Trayvon Martin because he thought he "looked suspicious," and then shot and killed the unarmed 17 year old. I don't care who you are or what you believe, if you think that it's improper for a person to be charged with second degree murder under those circumstances, you're crazy. You can't go around with a gun playing police officer and following anybody you deem suspicious. End of story.

I really hope Zimmerman has some SOLID evidence to back up his claims of broken nose and gashes. Not just hearsay from his attorney. I would have gotten doctors to make sure every single wound I received was documented by a licensed physician. Then again, as far as we know he just went home the next day and "cried" after minimal medical attention. Not sure how a person can claim to have gashes to the back of their head, a broken nose etc. and not even have a modicum of inclination towards you know... getting a real doctor to look at them and make sure nothing inside your head is damaged?

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Wow!
You have things so twisted in your mind that it isn't even funny any more.
Additionally, no one said anything about a gun-vs-gun scene.

Really? So these are not your own words?:

With parent shooting their own kids and kids shooting their own parents.
Don't tell me for one second that if one of those relationships ended up in similar circumstance that we are discussing, that the parent wouldn't use deadly force.

This wasn't child abuse.

Uh, yeah, it was aggravated child abuse, which as I showed you is a criminal act committed while killing a child. It is called 2nd degree murder, that is the charge.

No one in their right mind would call the actions of a person defending themselves, child abuse.
You have been shown the law.
Get over it. Move on.

I showed you the standards within the laws that you posted, you denied and ignored what you posted.

 

[Excon]

Argh, it's so frustrating to see people argue about how tall they were and how much they weighed.

Yeah, especially when they have no idea what they are talking about.

... right now we're relying on what Zimmerman said, and what Martin's parents have said, and what an unidentified eye witness has said.

Not really.
The Police have said that no evidence existed at the time of the statement to dispute Zimmerman's claim and they had all the info.

We have not heard anything about forensic evidence and we know nothing about Zimmerman's injuries except for what has been shown on a camera later on in the night and the "digital enhancement" of said footage.

Yeah, except for you know, that statement of the police, who had that info.

Right now, Zimmerman is in custody because he followed Trayvon Martin because he thought he "looked suspicious," and then shot and killed the unarmed 17 year old.

An inaccurate representation of the known evidence.
In other words wrong.

if you think that it's improper for a person to be charged with second degree murder under those circumstances, you're crazy.

With the evidence as it is known, the law states that he is immune from arrest, charge and prosecution.
Only a crazy person would not want the law to be followed.

You can't go around with a gun playing police officer and following anybody you deem suspicious. End of story.

I see.
Another inaccurate representation and mischaracterization of events.
Therefore your opinion is meaningless. End of story.

If you can't be honest about what actually occurred, why do you even bother to participate in discussion?

 

[Excon]

I wonder what a jury of his peers will look like. Leave it to defence attorneys to win a trial by finger ****ing the jury selection.

He will be convicted if the evidence is not on his side.

 

[Caine]

Dude, you are working yourself into a hissy fit. Do you have skin in this game?

I once used to be easy to rage and angry to the point of not possessing common sense. No kidding. From that regrettable experience I have been able to recognize the symptoms in others. It ain't pretty.

I changed careers, I changed my lifestyle, I changed my diet, I learned how to laugh again and find good in all things.

It is possible to become happy with your life once again. The will to change just takes a bit of bravery. I highly recommend the struggle, the goal is well worth it.

LoL.. WhuT?

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Yeah, especially when they have no idea what they are talking about.



Not really.
The Police have said that no evidence existed at the time of the statement to dispute Zimmerman's claim and they had all the info.



Yeah, except for you know, that statement of the police, who had that info.



An inaccurate representation of the known evidence.
In other words wrong.



With the evidence as it is known, the law states that he is immune from arrest, charge and prosecution.
Only a crazy person would not want the law to be followed.



I see.
Another inaccurate representation and mischaracterization of events.
Therefore your opinion is meaningless. End of story.

If you can't be honest about what actually occurred, why do you even bother to participate in discussion?

You are incorrect on nearly every response, the biggest being "The lead homicide investigator on the case, Chris Serino, recommended charging Zimmerman with manslaughter.", not as you portray "that they had no evidence".

I wonder, what exactly do you have invested in this? Why do feel the need to be able to use deadly force against minor children?

 

[Excon]

Really? So these are not your own words?:

That does not say gun vs gun does it?
:doh

Uh, yeah, it was aggravated child abuse, which as I showed you is a criminal act committed while killing a child. It is called 2nd degree murder, that is the charge.

I showed you the standards within the laws that you posted, you denied and ignored what you posted.

You are wrong, and are severely over-reaching.
You were shown it was not child abuse, and you chose to ignore it.

Only an idiot would say it was, especially after reading the laws governing child abuse, as well as, justifiable force.

You are simply wrong.
An act of self-dense is not child abuse.
In this situation it was the so-called child abusing an adult.

 

[Excon]

You are incorrect on nearly every response, the biggest being "The lead homicide investigator on the case, Chris Serino, recommended charging Zimmerman with manslaughter.", not as you portray "that they had no evidence".

First of all. You do not know that to be true. It is disputed that it even occurred.
Again showing you do not know what you are talking about.
Secondly. It supposedly happened within the first 24 hours. You know, prior to a full investigation being done.

Again you are talking nonsense because you are uninformed.

 

[poweRob]

Did he say that "I need to remind everyone that in this country everyone regardless of the alleged crime is innocent until proven guilty"? If not then he shouldn't have said a word not to mention that it is not within the generally accepted purview of the POTUS to comment on a local criminal investigation in the first place.

*ahem*

TERRY SCHIAVO

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Sorry about that. A little tickle on my uvula I had to clear out.

 

[Excon]

*ahem*

TERRY SCHIAVO

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Sorry about that. A little tickle on my uvula I had to clear out.

Damn. Florida again.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

That does not say gun vs gun does it?

Not only do you refuse to accept the law that you post, you even deny your own words.

You are wrong, and are severely over-reaching.You were shown it was not child abuse, and you chose to ignore it. Only an idiot would say it was, especially after reading the laws governing child abuse, as well as, justifiable force. You are simply wrong. An act of self-dense is not child abuse. In this situation it was the so-called child abusing an adult.

Again, the standard is WHAT WOULD A REASONABLE PARENT DO...that is the standard YOU POSTED. If you believe it is reasonable for a parent to use deadly force, either by hand or by a gun, to stop a child who is hitting you with their hands.....well there you are. I say you are unreasonable and should not be near guns or children.

 

[Hatuey]

*ahem*

TERRY SCHIAVO

*ahem*

Sorry about that. A little tickle on my uvula I had to clear out.

I've pointed this out to people many a times. All the bitching about Obama having an opinion on this is nonsense. Presidents have had opinions on local small time issues since day 1.

 

[Caine]

That is why cops are not part of the court system.

Would someone PLEASE tell my county courts this?

Im ****ing tired of going to court so often.

Althought I didn't mind the double than usual size paycheck from all that overtime last month.....

 

[Gimmesometruth]

First of all. You do not know that to be true. It is disputed that it even occurred.
Again showing you do not know what you are talking about.

There is NO dispute that Serino wanted to file manslaughter charges, there is no dispute that he filed that affidavit.

Secondly. It supposedly happened within the first 24 hours. You know, prior to a full investigation being done. Again you are talking nonsense because you are uninformed.

"It" happened? What is "it"? Are you getting tired...need some sleep? Cmon.