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robin said:Yes but how about the Christian fanatics like Bush & Blair that have sent their forces ramping into the wrong country like a rampaging elephant & now killed tens of thousands of Iraqis ?
What about the insurgents that are now targeting Iraqi civilians and mosques?
Our fault or fanaticism?
There are better ways to stop the slaughter than...Originally posted by nkgupta80:
Nowadays here and there one can see people blaming George Bush for the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. But these people leave behind that American President has imposed a very complicated but responsible and honorable mission of saving the world from spreading Islamism - pseudoreligion responsible for immense amount of pain, bloodshed and devastation in much greater scale than other religions. Many people think the 9/11 was a start-up of a new era. Don't fool yourself - it was only a development of the longstanding confrontation between two civilizations - Islamism and Christianity. God bless America to annihilate Islam as such! Nor it is essential that all Americans along with Christians and Hebrews around the world stand with America to make Islam pass into nothingness as the disgrace of mankind! United we stand!
vauge said:What about the insurgents that are now targeting Iraqi civilians and mosques?
Our fault or fanaticism?
THE PRESIDENT: Thank you all very much for your hospitality. We've just had a -- wide-ranging discussions on the matter at hand. Like the good folks standing with me, the American people were appalled and outraged at last Tuesday's attacks. And so were Muslims all across the world. Both Americans and Muslim friends and citizens, tax-paying citizens, and Muslims in nations were just appalled and could not believe what we saw on our TV screens.
These acts of violence against innocents violate the fundamental tenets of the Islamic faith. And it's important for my fellow Americans to understand that.
The English translation is not as eloquent as the original Arabic, but let me quote from the Koran, itself: In the long run, evil in the extreme will be the end of those who do evil. For that they rejected the signs of Allah and held them up to ridicule.
The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam. That's not what Islam is all about. Islam is peace. These terrorists don't represent peace. They represent evil and war.
When we think of Islam we think of a faith that brings comfort to a billion people around the world. Billions of people find comfort and solace and peace. And that's made brothers and sisters out of every race -- out of every race.
America counts millions of Muslims amongst our citizens, and Muslims make an incredibly valuable contribution to our country. Muslims are doctors, lawyers, law professors, members of the military, entrepreneurs, shopkeepers, moms and dads. And they need to be treated with respect. In our anger and emotion, our fellow Americans must treat each other with respect.
Women who cover their heads in this country must feel comfortable going outside their homes. Moms who wear cover must be not intimidated in America. That's not the America I know. That's not the America I value.
I've been told that some fear to leave; some don't want to go shopping for their families; some don't want to go about their ordinary daily routines because, by wearing cover, they're afraid they'll be intimidated. That should not and that will not stand in America.
Those who feel like they can intimidate our fellow citizens to take out their anger don't represent the best of America, they represent the worst of humankind, and they should be ashamed of that kind of behavior.
This is a great country. It's a great country because we share the same values of respect and dignity and human worth. And it is my honor to be meeting with leaders who feel just the same way I do. They're outraged, they're sad. They love America just as much as I do.
I want to thank you all for giving me a chance to come by. And may God bless us all.
MarkoH said:Nowadays here and there one can see people blaming George Bush for the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. But these people leave behind that American President has imposed a very complicated but responsible and honorable mission of saving the world from spreading Islamism - pseudoreligion responsible for immense amount of pain, bloodshed and devastation in much greater scale than other religions. Many people think the 9/11 was a start-up of a new era. Don't fool yourself - it was only a development of the longstanding confrontation between two civilizations - Islamism and Christianity. God bless America to annihilate Islam as such! Nor it is essential that all Americans along with Christians and Hebrews around the world stand with America to make Islam pass into nothingness as the disgrace of mankind! United we stand!
MarkoH said:Nowadays here and there one can see people blaming George Bush for the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. But these people leave behind that American President has imposed a very complicated but responsible and honorable mission of saving the world from spreading Islamism - pseudoreligion responsible for immense amount of pain, bloodshed and devastation in much greater scale than other religions. Many people think the 9/11 was a start-up of a new era. Don't fool yourself - it was only a development of the longstanding confrontation between two civilizations - Islamism and Christianity. God bless America to annihilate Islam as such! Nor it is essential that all Americans along with Christians and Hebrews around the world stand with America to make Islam pass into nothingness as the disgrace of mankind! United we stand!
My sentiments exactly. Also, wasn't the Spanish Inquisition done in the name of Christianity?Originally posted by IValueFreedom:
1) Never post in this thread again
2) Post here, but ignore these tough questions that point out how stupid you look.
3) Post an editorial defense of your position, just reinstating your dumbass assertions and thinking this actually proves anything except that you can't back up what you say.
Billo_Really said:Also, wasn't the Spanish Inquisition done in the name of Christianity?
I think blaming the religion as a source of terror is wrong. Islamism and Christianity carry equal weight with me. And I was raised a Catholic.Originally posted by IValueFreedom:
"– How is Islamism to blame for an "immense amount of pain, bloodshed and devastation in much greater scale than other religions?" (please keep in mind the Inquisition)"
Yeah, it was. That's the Inquisition that I was referencing to
nkgupta80 said:religion ultimately isn't the cause of terrorism. Atleast 99 percent of it, i bet isn't purely caused by religion. Most of it is caused by polticial leaders using religion to drive their own goals ...
So you tell me. Is the religion whats wrong? Or just the overwhelming economic problems and political corruption.
Joe7000 said:I'm still looking for a true God that doesn't need defending.
I'm also still looking for a Constitution worth defending: one that doesn't break at the mere whim of would-be tyrants and dictators.
Anyone know where I can find either?
MarkoH said:Nowadays here and there one can see people blaming George Bush for the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. But these people leave behind that American President has imposed a very complicated but responsible and honorable mission of saving the world from spreading Islamism - pseudoreligion responsible for immense amount of pain, bloodshed and devastation in much greater scale than other religions. Many people think the 9/11 was a start-up of a new era. Don't fool yourself - it was only a development of the longstanding confrontation between two civilizations - Islamism and Christianity. God bless America to annihilate Islam as such! Nor it is essential that all Americans along with Christians and Hebrews around the world stand with America to make Islam pass into nothingness as the disgrace of mankind! United we stand!
sissy-boy said:How can you expect to be taken seriously when you write 'Islamism'!??
I've never heard anyone say that. I suppose it is normal, I usually think of 'Islam' as a 'more than one' when I think of Muslim political and religious groups as a whole.IValueFreedom said:Umm... that is an excepted nomenclature.
Islamism means:
the faith of Islam
-or-
an Islamic movement, generally more conservative, to bring literal interpretations of Islamic values into all aspects of life.
nkgupta80 said:almost no war, esp in the modern era has been fought solely against an ideology. Economic/military reasons always underly it ...
nkgupta80 said:Morals are hardly taken into consideration in international politics.
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