George Bush and Jeb Bush have way too much of their dad in them

[Andyh2299]

The media is now trying to portray GWB and Jeb as some sort of moderate compromiser. But in reality they are trying to compete for the legacy of their father HW Bush the vice president of Reagan. We knew how Reagan handled the war on drugs, corporations, etc.

If we look at W Bush presidency we see calm back home and war overseas. But in reality it's just the legacy of Reagan foreign policy spiralling into a disastrous war and America's unrest just starting just by looking at Katrina.

 

[Michael Cole]

W and Jeb have none of their dad in them. I like the Bush's. I voted for HW the first time.

Jeb was more of a neocon than W (who I do not think would have invaded Iraq without Cheney and Rummy.) W should have fired Cheney the moment he selected himself as the running mate. Pops was a get in get out guy. Not a neocon at all.

The Bush legacy is wealth and judging by the absence of Bush progeny in politics or headlines, I think the family is handling itself well.

 

[Schism]

Michelle Obama's BFF

 

[Andyh2299]

W and Jeb have none of their dad in them. I like the Bush's. I voted for HW the first time.

Jeb was more of a neocon than W (who I do not think would have invaded Iraq without Cheney and Rummy.) W should have fired Cheney the moment he selected himself as the running mate. Pops was a get in get out guy. Not a neocon at all.

The Bush legacy is wealth and judging by the absence of Bush progeny in politics or headlines, I think the family is handling itself well.

What is the difference between a neocon and paleocon? Reagan and HW wouldn't have advocated for the same foreign policy if they were teleported to 2005?

 

[multivita-man]

W and Jeb have none of their dad in them. I like the Bush's. I voted for HW the first time.

Jeb was more of a neocon than W (who I do not think would have invaded Iraq without Cheney and Rummy.) W should have fired Cheney the moment he selected himself as the running mate. Pops was a get in get out guy. Not a neocon at all.

The Bush legacy is wealth and judging by the absence of Bush progeny in politics or headlines, I think the family is handling itself well.

Bush was a better public servant than Reagan, better than Nixon, better than LBJ, probably better than Clinton in some ways but not all, definitely better than his son. He was a thinking man's conservative. He unfortunately hired Lee Atwater as a hatchet man, but he was basically a decent guy and a heady statesman. Bush was the brains behind end stage communism's fall.

His son was an unmitigated disaster as president -- a decent human being, I think, but a terrible president, whose disastrous term probably caused Americans to permanently lose faith in their political and economic systems. You can't blame it all on GWB, but a lot of it - not to mention his cheerleading of Wall St during their worst excesses.

 

[Michael Cole]

What is the difference between a neocon and paleocon?

PNAC.

Here's a list of signatories to their various statements and letters:

List of PNAC Signatories and Contributing Writers - Militarist Monitor

Morton I. Abramowitz x x x Elliott Abrams x x…

militarist-monitor.org

Jeb Bush is a signatory to the Statement of Principles, but none of the others. George HW and George W did not subscribe to PNAC.

Look at the list, especially the Statement of Principles. But also notice well-known ultra-hawks such as Bolton who did not sign on to the Statement of Principles.

Reagan and HW wouldn't have advocated for the same foreign policy if they were teleported to 2005?

No. HW had no need to transport himself through time. He invaded Iraq once. He didn't stay.

 

[Port & Starboard]

Daddy Bush was a good man........................the sons were clingers to his reputation.

 

[Michael Cole]

Bush was a better public servant than Reagan, better than Nixon, better than LBJ, probably better than Clinton in some ways but not all, definitely better than his son. He was a thinking man's conservative. He unfortunately hired Lee Atwater as a hatchet man, but he was basically a decent guy and a heady statesman. Bush was the brains behind end stage communism's fall.

His son was an unmitigated disaster as president -- a decent human being, I think, but a terrible president, whose disastrous term probably caused Americans to permanently lose faith in their political and economic systems. You can't blame it all on GWB, but a lot of it - not to mention his cheerleading of Wall St during their worst excesses.

Agreed. What HW has more than those you mentioned is character. `

W isn't lacking character, as you mention. He's just not a leader. I dunno. Call me conspiratorial, but when Cheney was tasked with finding a running mate, and he chose himself, then when we see what kind of people ended up serving that White House, and what transpired, it's hard not to think W was a pawn being used by the neocons.

I'll give him credit for speaking out against Muslim hatred after 9/11. And for making at least a modest attempt at a diversified cabinet.

 

[Cordelier]

I actually think George W. Bush was a pretty good President. I didn't agree with a lot of his policies at the time, but the more I study his Presidency, the more I realize he was right and I was wrong.

His father might have been a good man, but he was a wuss as President. He got pushed around far too much by Congress.

 

[Tigerace117]

I actually think George W. Bush was a pretty good President. I didn't agree with a lot of his policies at the time, but the more I study his Presidency, the more I realize he was right and I was wrong.

His father might have been a good man, but he was a wuss as President. He got pushed around far too much by Congress.

Iraq alone is enough to derail that argument.

 

[bongsaway]

The media is now trying to portray GWB and Jeb as some sort of moderate compromiser. But in reality they are trying to compete for the legacy of their father HW Bush the vice president of Reagan. We knew how Reagan handled the war on drugs, corporations, etc.

If we look at W Bush presidency we see calm back home and war overseas. But in reality it's just the legacy of Reagan foreign policy spiralling into a disastrous war and America's unrest just starting just by looking at Katrina.

George H.W. Bush was a huge cocaine trafficker with the help of one william clinton of arkansas and the cia, his buddies. Old man bush is not the saint people think he is, or clinton.

 

[Peter]

Michelle Obama's BFF

This is bad because?

 

[multivita-man]

Agreed. What HW has more than those you mentioned is character. `

I mean, the slapping women's asses thing we could have done without but he had an IQ over room temperature, so he had that going for him.

W isn't lacking character, as you mention. He's just not a leader. I dunno. Call me conspiratorial, but when Cheney was tasked with finding a running mate, and he chose himself, then when we see what kind of people ended up serving that White House, and what transpired, it's hard not to think W was a pawn being used by the neocons.

W needed legitimacy. Cheney gave him that and everyone in the Oval Office knew it. I think the cartoonist Tom Tomorrow had a segment in which "Uncle Dick is gonna teach me about foreign countries and stuff" - and that was pretty much spot on.

I'll give him credit for speaking out against Muslim hatred after 9/11.

Agreed. GWB is many things, but not a bigot. I try to call balls and strikes as I see 'em.

And for making at least a modest attempt at a diversified cabinet.

I thought Colin Powell was a great hire. Too bad he felt obligated to hire Cheney and his shadow cabinet was PNAC.

 

[Schism]

This is bad because?

She's bff's with a war criminal.

 

[watsup]

W and Jeb have none of their dad in them. I like the Bush's. I voted for HW the first time.

Jeb was more of a neocon than W (who I do not think would have invaded Iraq without Cheney and Rummy.) W should have fired Cheney the moment he selected himself as the running mate. Pops was a get in get out guy. Not a neocon at all.

The Bush legacy is wealth and judging by the absence of Bush progeny in politics or headlines, I think the family is handling itself well.

George W Bush was easily the worst president in recent memory, and many thought that there could not possibly ever be a president as bad—but were sadly surprised just 8 years later when a total disaster was elected that made Junior Bush look good!

 

[Michael Cole]

George W Bush was easily the worst president in recent memory, and many thought that there could not possibly ever be a president as bad—but were sadly surprised just 8 years later when a total disaster was elected that made Junior Bush look good!

That's a reasonable assessment, but I think we're talking more about the men themselves, not necessarily their presidencies.

W had a disastrous presidency. Under different circumstances, I can see different results.

There is no comparison to be made between the Bush family and the Trump family.

 

[Peter]

She's bff's with a war criminal.

I must admit I wasn't expecting that reply.

 

[Fishking]

The media is now trying to portray GWB and Jeb as some sort of moderate compromiser. But in reality they are trying to compete for the legacy of their father HW Bush the vice president of Reagan. We knew how Reagan handled the war on drugs, corporations, etc.

If we look at W Bush presidency we see calm back home and war overseas. But in reality it's just the legacy of Reagan foreign policy spiralling into a disastrous war and America's unrest just starting just by looking at Katrina.

W was pretty moderate and a compromiser. Not sure why you don't think so.

 

[Fishking]

She's bff's with a war criminal.

I must admit I wasn't expecting that reply.

Well, she's married to one as well so *shrug*

 

[Cordelier]

George W Bush was easily the worst president in recent memory, and many thought that there could not possibly ever be a president as bad—but were sadly surprised just 8 years later when a total disaster was elected that made Junior Bush look good!

He did better than Gore would have.... or Kerry for that matter.

 

[Peter]

He did better than Gore would have.

We have no way of knowing that.
Gore may or may not have been a good President, it's impossible to say.

Personally, I think he would have been a good President but that's just gut instinct and I could be very wrong indeed.
I don't really have any strong negative opinions about the Bush's because they were President before I was interested in US politics.
I've watched a few documentaries about what the President did on 9/11 and his actions seemed pretty solid for a President under what must have been extreme presure.

 

[watsup]

W was pretty moderate and a compromiser. Not sure why you don't think so.

He wasn’t “moderate”. Where do you get this crap? He promoted and signed TWO huge tax cuts for the wealthy elite, just like the others (Reagan and Trump). He unnecessarily started a war in Iraq based on LIES that cost the lives of over 4000 of our fine young soldiers and hundreds of billions of dollars. Clinton left him with an annual budget surplus, and he immediately screwed it up with those tax cuts and unnecessarily war. He was one of the worst “presidents” ever, only to be exceeded by leaps and bounds by the Orange Monster.

 

[Cordelier]

We have no way of knowing that.
Gore may or may not have been a good President, it's impossible to say.

Personally, I think he would have been a good President but that's just gut instinct and I could be very wrong indeed.
I don't really have any strong negative opinions about the Bush's because they were President before I was interested in US politics.
I've watched a few documentaries about what the President did on 9/11 and his actions seemed pretty solid for a President under what must have been extreme presure.

Gore comes across as a pompous holier-than-thou type. He was an outsider in the Senate and never really had much pull there. Put that together with the fact that he would have been running for a 4th Clinton-Gore term, and I think there would have been no way he would have won in 2004. We'd remember him today as a failed President.

I'm not saying Bush was a great President by any means. He had his fair share of shortcomings. But I think he made a credible showing. I do think he was ill-served by his Treasury Secretaries... but he was the one who picked them, so I guess that's on him.

 

[Greenbeard]

I actually think George W. Bush was a pretty good President. I didn't agree with a lot of his policies at the time, but the more I study his Presidency, the more I realize he was right and I was wrong.

Right about what?

 

[Cordelier]

Right about what?

Well, the surge for one. I thought for sure that was going to be a disaster. But Bush proved me wrong.