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Gen Mike Flynn weighs in

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ATTENTION!​
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So, it appears Zelenskyy gave the go ahead to attack parked Russian nuclear capable bombers without informing​
@realDonaldTrump (if true that our President was not consulted nor informed, this isn’t simply a breach of protocol. It’s a geopolitical insult and a warning sign. If Ukraine is willing to conduct strikes with strategic consequences without notifying the White House, we are no longer allies with coordination issues—we are co-belligerents flying blind).​
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Also given Senator “warmonger” Lindsey Graham’s and Senator “Da Nang Dick” Blumenthal’s recent visit, this attack could appear as though it was sanctioned. I pray the Russians have better intelligence than that. IMHO, these two don’t have the sense or common sense to pull something like this off (there will have to be denials though).​
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FYI, Those bombers that were hit HAVE to be out in full view due to nuclear treaty obligations. Zelenskyy took advantage of that. For instance, they appear to have hidden the drones in containers and were driven on trucks near the airbase. Smart use of deception (see photos below). ​
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However, imagine any one of our big bomber bases having the exact same thing done to them. Very costly U.S. Strategic Bombers can be taken out in the same way by anyone with access to inexpensive drones, delivery trucks, explosives, and a bit of technical knowledge (not good and new tactics will now have to be developed).​
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People, and especially world leaders, need to realize the global implications to such an operation as Ukraine just pulled off.​
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Russia will respond. Action, reaction, counteraction. Those are the shifting tides of warfare.​
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This wasn’t a bold action, it was brash. Ukraine’s short-term win could be the world’s long-term loss.​
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Despite what is a complete mess right now in Europe, there are still solutions to achieving peace. They are narrowing however and time, as it often does, becomes an enemy instead of a useful friend.​

The treaty obligations that Flynn referred to are SALT and START. As usual, Flynn cuts through the nonsense rhetoric and focuses on the real-world facts and consequences. And, the fact is, Zelensky made a big mistake. He has almost guaranteed that Trump will pull out ALL of the support we've been giving Ukraine, including our on-the-ground CIA support.

Zelensky would be wise to make the best peace deal he can get, and to do it quickly. Otherwise, he will likely find himself in a world of shit without US support.

Of course, NOBODY in the entire world has ever accused Zelensky of being wise.
 
FYI, Those bombers that were hit HAVE to be out in full view due to nuclear treaty obligations.
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cite?
 
btw, Trump posted this today...

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One guess what the main topic of discussion was.

You only get one guess, because the answer is so obvious.
 
Mycroft said:
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[Article III, Paragraph 7, START Treaty Overview]

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[Page 29, START Treaty Article XII – “TREATY BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION ON THE REDUCTION AND LIMITATION OF STRATEGIC OFFENSIVE ARMS]
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Didn't the START treaty expire in 2009? And didn't Russia withdraw from its successor, New START, in 2023?

www.csis.org

Russia Suspends New START and Increases Nuclear Risks

Putin’s suspension of New START furthers the demise of arms control, eliminating one of the few remaining forums for dialogue between Moscow and Washington at a time of rising nuclear risk. Furthermore, it signals Russia’s increasing reliance on nuclear weapons.
www.csis.org www.csis.org

Is there a current treaty between Russia and the United States that covers strategic nuclear weapons?
 
Cosmo said:
Um...why would it? Are we/will we be at war with Ukraine? Are we copying Russian bomber storage and protection tactics?
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We are bound by the same requirements in the SALT and START treaties, so yes...our nuclear capable bombers are just as vulnerable as Russia's.

It's not likely we'll be attacked by Ukraine, but there are other groups who now know how easy it could be to strike a big blow against the US.
 
Mycroft said:
We are bound by the same requirements in the SALT and START treaties, so yes...our nuclear capable bombers are just as vulnerable as Russia's.
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Russia already suspended its participation in New START as I pointed out. And no, you didn't demonstrate they are as vulnerable. You posted a couple of requirements involving appearance.
Mycroft said:
It's not likely we'll be attacked by Ukraine, but there are other groups who now know how easy it could be to strike a big blow against the US.
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Who?
 
Mycroft said:
We are bound by the same requirements in the SALT and START treaties, so yes...our nuclear capable bombers are just as vulnerable as Russia's.

It's not likely we'll be attacked by Ukraine, but there are other groups who now know how easy it could be to strike a big blow against the US.
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What's that annoying whining noise?
 
Juin said:
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Is this meant to be a serious thread? It shouldn't be.

Are you even paying attention? If you were, you would absolutely understand that Trump renounced the America position as "leader of the free world" including backing away from support for Ukraine, while raising the question if America is actually more a friend of Russia than the west. Of course Zelinksy is not going to share information with the US, they don't trust the US (under Trump.)

Please, spare us your outrage. Meanwhile, who gives 2 whatever on what Flynn thinks. The man is a certifiable wack-a-doo.
 
Mycroft said:
Let's hope the same doesn't happen to OUR strategic nuclear-capable bombers.
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That would be an act of war against the US. Think Russia wants to do that?
 


Yeah, maga filth (or russia stooges, hard to tell the difference)........

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.......would love for it to seem as though the USA is calling all the shots......



......they're all weak and pathetic losers who just hate America & love putin......

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.......there is very good reason why they aren't consulted and / or informed. :rolleyes:
 
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