Gay Parades

[Obama08]

I’m extremely liberal and in complete favor of gay marriage and gay rights. I’ve volunteered at a lot of gay cause events and walks for AIDS.
But I have some problems with the gay cause…

With recent parades going on throughout big cities, I’ve watched a lot of videos and seen a lot of pictures that make we want to…well…puke.

Why do gay people feel that they need to put on these extravagant costumes full of feathers and sparkly glitter while pretending to have sex on top of float wearing nothing more than a leather g-string?

I watched one video where a lesbian was riding around the parade street in rollerblades throwing bottles of lube and condoms at everyone on the side.

If I were a gay parent, I would NEVER take my kids to an event like this. These parades are neither family oriented (for gay families or ANY family for that matter) and are basically a “Lets show everyone how promiscuous and into sex we are” event.

These parades are not helping when it comes to getting more moderate to conservative people to join the cause. This is only shunning their support away.

Think about it…Did black people dress up like sex clowns with g-strings in order to gain their rights? Why do gay people think they need too?

 

[Hatuey]

I’m extremely liberal and in complete favor of gay marriage and gay rights. I’ve volunteered at a lot of gay cause events and walks for AIDS.
But I have some problems with the gay cause…

With recent parades going on throughout big cities, I’ve watched a lot of videos and seen a lot of pictures that make we want to…well…puke.

Why do gay people feel that they need to put on these extravagant costumes full of feathers and sparkly glitter while pretending to have sex on top of float wearing nothing more than a leather g-string?

I watched one video where a lesbian was riding around the parade street in rollerblades throwing bottles of lube and condoms at everyone on the side.

If I were a gay parent, I would NEVER take my kids to an event like this. These parades are neither family oriented (for gay families or ANY family for that matter) and are basically a “Lets show everyone how promiscuous and into sex we are” event.

These parades are not helping when it comes to getting more moderate to conservative people to join the cause. This is only shunning their support away.

Think about it…Did black people dress up like sex clowns with g-strings in order to gain their rights? Why do gay people think they need too?

5 Words : Carnival South of The Border.

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In case the good words don't click. If you've ever been south of the border to any kind of Carnival in the Caribbean/South America you'd freak out at just how....sexual these things are. We're not talking about 2 guys showing each other their private parts. We're talking about sex on the floats. I was in Brasilia and was asked to have sex by about 10 different women from 1 float. Thankfully for me I'm not your everyday tourist. I know their day job is probably hooking in the shantytowns of that beautiful city. Adding : The costumes at gay parades? Psh.

 

[Obama08]

5 Words : Carnival South of The Border.

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In case the good words don't click. If you've ever been south of the border to any kind of Carnival in the Caribbean/South America you'd freak out at just how....sexual these things are. We're not talking about 2 guys showing each other their private parts. We're talking about sex on the floats. I was in Brasilia and was asked to have sex by about 10 different women from 1 float. Thankfully for me I'm not your everyday tourist. I know their day job is probably hooking in the shantytowns of that beautiful city. Adding : The costumes at gay parades? Psh.

So do you think they shuold be throwing condoms and bottles of lube at people on the sidewalks??
"Mommy (s) is this a baloon?"

 

[RightinNYC]

I wouldn't bring my kids to a gay pride parade, but I also wouldn't bring them to the halloween parade, st. patricks day parade, and sure as hell not to the PR day parade. It's not the fact that its a gay pride parade that makes them "offensive" its just the fact that they're huge parades in big cities. It's what happens.

edit: And hatuey's point is a very good one as well. People aren't going around opposing the Katrina reconstruction cause because they're offended by Mardi Gras, which is far worse than anything at these parades.

 

[Obama08]

I wouldn't bring my kids to a gay pride parade, but I also wouldn't bring them to the halloween parade, st. patricks day parade, and sure as hell not to the PR day parade. It's not the fact that its a gay pride parade that makes them "offensive" its just the fact that they're huge parades in big cities. It's what happens.

edit: And hatuey's point is a very good one as well. People aren't going around opposing the Katrina reconstruction cause because they're offended by Mardi Gras, which is far worse than anything at these parades.

People in those parades aren't fighting for their rights.
When 49% of the population views your group as "morally wrong" I don't think having huge sex parades is the best way to show off your pride.
Why cant they all just dress like normal people like the black community did during the 60's?

 

[Obama08]

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[rathi]

Stripping the politics from the parades would make the most sense. Many parades festivals and gatherings in the U.S. involve all kinds of sexual behavior. However, very few of them are politically motivated. They would be better off promoting the parade as a good time, rather than a political statement.

 

[RightinNYC]

People in those parades aren't fighting for their rights.
When 49% of the population views your group as "morally wrong" I don't think having huge sex parades is the best way to show off your pride.
Why cant they all just dress like normal people like the black community did during the 60's?

That 49% of the population that views that group as "morally wrong" sure as hell isn't going to these parades, so I don't know why their opinions really matter.

And do you see why your argument of "why can't they just act normal" is a flawed one?

 

[Obama08]

Stripping the politics from the parades would make the most sense. Many parades festivals and gatherings in the U.S. involve all kinds of sexual behavior. However, very few of them are politically motivated. They would be better off promoting the parade as a good time, rather than a political statement.

But they are politically motivated.

 

[Obama08]

That 49% of the population that views that group as "morally wrong" sure as hell isn't going to these parades, so I don't know why their opinions really matter.

And do you see why your argument of "why can't they just act normal" is a flawed one?

The only way the 49 is ever going to be lowered is if the gay community convinces them that they have a good cause.

The problem is that these parades are political statements at "we want equality". If they weren't, I'd say do whatever the hell you want.

And the "why can't they just act normal" isn't flawed at all.
They're trying to make a political statement to mainstream America (the "norm")....Doing the things they do isn't sending a very positive message.

How do you equate "we want equality and rights" with "hey everyone lets get naked and pretend to have sex on the float!..and while were at it, free lube for everyone!" ????

 

[shuamort]

Why do gay people feel that they need to put on these extravagant costumes full of feathers and sparkly glitter while pretending to have sex on top of float wearing nothing more than a leather g-string?

Let me fix something for ya:
"Why do SOME gay people feel that they need to..."

Twin Cities Gay Pride was this weekend and I skipped over it like usual. My partner went out to the bar one of the nights to see some of his friends and I stayed in and played "Super Paper Mario". Neither of us wore glitter.

As for the people that want to, well, there are some thoughts behind that. I don't want to speak for the other gays that want to, but a big part is that when a person is a persecuted minority, a liberating moment is to be as outrageous as possible. It's a time for venting for some. For others, that might be their daily routine. Sexuality doesn't make everyone fall in line for a certain personality/attitude/interest.

Moreover, gay pride parades are not an all-out sexfest either. Yes, there are floats which exhibit that, but there are also politicians in their rented convertibles, breast cancer treatment facilities, churches, gas stations, and restaurants, et al that have floats. The last time I went to one, about 7 or 8 years ago, it was more commercial than it was gay pride. Of course, what's going to make the news is not the British Patroleum float but the leather float.

The modern movement for gay acceptance wasn't started by me. I sit in comfort and can be myself. I don't have a rainbow flag on my car. I'm out to those that know me personally but if I don't say anything, no one could tell. I've always seen this to be a better way to change hearts and minds. It's a bit of a trap to have people get to know me for myself before knowing I'm gay. It doesn't give them time to make up their mind about me based on my sexuality first. But the movement wasn't started by me, as I said, it was started by the drag queens in the Stonewall Bar in NYC. It was followed-up by the Radical Faeries and ACT-UP. It was the "extremists" which laid down the groundwork first.


/Sorry for the randomness, just a bunch of thoughts about it all.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

The only way the 49 is ever going to be lowered is if the gay community convinces them that they have a good cause.

The problem is that these parades are political statements at "we want equality". If they weren't, I'd say do whatever the hell you want.

And the "why can't they just act normal" isn't flawed at all.
They're trying to make a political statement to mainstream America (the "norm")....Doing the things they do isn't sending a very positive message.

How do you equate "we want equality and rights" with "hey everyone lets get naked and pretend to have sex on the float!..and while were at it, free lube for everyone!" ????

Remember that the 49% don't believe that homosexuality is 'morally wrong' because of gay pride parades. They think it is morally wrong for many other reasons, mostly religious or politically conservative...not to say that all of these groups believe this...just that these are motivations for some of these folks.

And yes, 'why can't they act normal' is totally flawed, because you can't effectively define the word 'normal'. Beyond that the behaviors you describe are prejudicial and overgeneralized and are not what the message being sent, is.

 

[Hatuey]

People in those parades aren't fighting for their rights.
When 49% of the population views your group as "morally wrong" I don't think having huge sex parades is the best way to show off your pride.
Why cant they all just dress like normal people like the black community did during the 60's?

What percentage of the U.S. population thought interracial sex was wrong? And yet here I am. The product of a mixed couple. Should my parents not have had me because they thought a percentage of this country's population thought it was wrong for people of different races to love each other? If you want to shut down gay pride events. Please shut down St. Pats, Mardi Gras, Burning Man and any other event where there is rampart nudity. If I didn't like getting wasted and partying(all of this of course is when I'm not working) as much as I do and lived according to the wishes of some conservative percentage then I wouldn't attend any of these events. If they were posted on a newspaper I'd skip right past it. Etc etc. Get my drift?

This is still a free country. If you don't like what is going on at a certain event. You are not obliged to attend. Simple as that. If I went to a house party in the ghetto I wouldn't force Jallman to attend knowing he might not be comfortable with the blatant homophobia that some black males can express when in groups of 3 or more.

 

[Obama08]

Remember that the 49% don't believe that homosexuality is 'morally wrong' because of gay pride parades. They think it is morally wrong for many other reasons, mostly religious or politically conservative...not to say that all of these groups believe this...just that these are motivations for some of these folks.

And yes, 'why can't they act normal' is totally flawed, because you can't effectively define the word 'normal'. Beyond that the behaviors you describe are prejudicial and overgeneralized and are not what the message being sent, is.

The whole point behind having a gay parade is to make a political statement. So if they're not going to act in a manner that appeals to mainstream people they shouldn't have these prades for political reasons.

They can "act normal"...This isn't Halloween or a place to have sex...

The whole idea is if they cut the ****, more Americans who generally didn't think so well of gay people will begin to think more highly if they're acting in a better fashion than dressing abnormally and throwing condoms and bottles of sexual lubricant at people on the streets.

 

[Obama08]

What percentage of the U.S. population thought interracial sex was wrong? And yet here I am. The product of a mixed couple. Should my parents not have had me because they thought a percentage of this country's population thought it was wrong for people of different races to love each other? If you want to shut down gay pride events. Please shut down St. Pats, Mardi Gras, Burning Man and any other event where there is rampart nudity. If I didn't like getting wasted and partying(all of this of course is when I'm not working) as much as I do and lived according to the wishes of some conservative percentage then I wouldn't attend any of these events. If they were posted on a newspaper I'd skip right past it. Etc etc. Get my drift?

This is still a free country. If you don't like what is going on at a certain event. You are not obliged to attend. Simple as that. If I went to a house party in the ghetto I wouldn't force Jallman to attend knowing he might not be comfortable with the blatant homophobia that some black males can express when in groups of 3 or more.

lol..
Since when is Mardis Gras or St.Patricks day a political statement?
Are they "pride" events? Yeah...So are the gay parades...but what gay parades all throw in is a major political statement that "Get use to it (mainstream to conservative Americans) Were going to have our rights"...And all Americans think when they see these parades are "wtf!?..Omg...wtf is he wearing?!"

Unless of course you think handing out bottles of lube and being pretty much naked and pretending to **** on top of float is the right way to appeal to mainstream America.

 

[RightinNYC]

lol..
Since when is Mardis Gras or St.Patricks day a political statement?
Are they "pride" events? Yeah...So are the gay parades...but what gay parades all throw in is a major political statement that "Get use to it (mainstream to conservative Americans) Were going to have our rights"...And all Americans think when they see these parades are "wtf!?..Omg...wtf is he wearing?!"

Unless of course you think handing out bottles of lube and being pretty much naked and pretending to **** on top of float is the right way to appeal to mainstream America.

But that's not the point. Not everybody in these Gay Pride parades is "trying to appeal to mainstream America." A lot of them are just out there having fun, like the drunkasses on Halloween and St. Patricks Day. Why shouldn't gay people be allowed to do the same thing?

Just because the gay rights movement is fighting for equal rights doesn't mean that every time a group of gay people get together anywhere in the country, they have to act in a way that would "help their cause."

 

[talloulou]

Gay Pride events in large cities would serve the homosexuality community well if they organized them in such a way that the daytime events were "family friendly" with an understanding that the night time events were more adult oriented. Again I'm not saying they have a duty to do that but it would serve their community better. I happen to know if there are gay pride events going on I sorta have to steer my kids away because they just get too crazy and so I loose an opportunity to teach my kids tolerance, awareness, and expose them to a different lifestyle because I don't want to expose them to a$$less chaps and all kinds of other outlandish stuff.

If the gay pride events are meant for just a "party atmosphere" then they should do whatever the heck they want. But if the events have a goal in mind such as introducing the whole community to the gay community then a family friendly daytime schedule would better suit the goal. I'd have no problem taking my kids to a gay pride event downtown that was family friendly and it would be a great teaching tool and a great opportunity to expose them to the homosexual community while asserting that homosexuals are normal people like everyone else and prejudice isn't necessary.

As it stands today though I've been to enough of these events to know that taking my kids is a huge no no. :shock: :mrgreen:

 

[jallman]

I attended a Gay Pride event a couple years back and I have to say I was appalled. It was billed as a "community" event meant to celebrate diversity and community bonding. However, this was far from what actually took place. The parade was a travesty of iniquity where the seedy underbelly of gay subculture (maybe even gay counterculture) reared its ugly head it broad daylight. There were floats with porn stars as the central theme, simulated sex acts with inappropriate props, and this general feeling of "let's just shock the hell out of the breeders" that I did not like.

It was unfortunate, too, considering some mom's brought their kids out to show their support and introduce them to gay people as a part of our society. It broke my heart to see families leaving so their kids would not be subjected to the vulgarity and uncouth atmosphere that was being created. It was, honestly, disgusting.

What bothered me most was that if straight people had done the same, arrests would have followed. However, because the parade his billed behind a shield of "human rights event", there is this feeling that we should just let it happen. I am not of that opinion and will never subjugate myself to such base and disgusting displays out of loyalty to "my people". Wrong is wrong is wrong.

 

[Hatuey]

lol..
Since when is Mardis Gras or St.Patricks day a political statement?

It's an event where Gay people celebrate the fact that they are gay. The same way the Irish celebrate the fact that they're Irish or the way black people celebrate the fact that they're black on February. They just have their own way of doing it

Are they "pride" events? Yeah...So are the gay parades...but what gay parades all throw in is a major political statement that "Get use to it (mainstream to conservative Americans) Were going to have our rights"...And all Americans think when they see these parades are "wtf!?..Omg...wtf is he wearing?!"

OMG! Imagine that, censoring yourself because of what others might think. In case you haven't noticed, if people were censored everytime some part of the country opposed an event/gathering, then we wouldn't have Black History Month, Women's Month, 5 De Mayo etc etc.

Unless of course you think handing out bottles of lube and being pretty much naked and pretending to **** on top of float is the right way to appeal to mainstream America.

Gay pride from what I gather is not about convicing the people who are opposed to homosexuality. It is about gay people celebrating their sexuality. If "mainstream" American(wtf that is) doesn't like it, it's not forced to attend gay pride parades.

 

[Hatuey]

What bothered me most was that if straight people had done the same, arrests would have followed. However, because the parade his billed behind a shield of "human rights event", there is this feeling that we should just let it happen. I am not of that opinion and will never subjugate myself to such base and disgusting displays out of loyalty to "my people". Wrong is wrong is wrong.

Jallman...you ever been to Mardi Gras? Carnival? Jump Up? Super Sunday? The only arrests at those events are for those that get into bar fights. I've never seen anybody get arrested for simulating a sexual act in any of these events where nudity is rampart.

 

[jallman]

Jallman...you ever been to Mardi Gras? Carnival? Jump Up? Super Sunday? The only arrests at those events are for those that get into bar fights. I've never seen anybody get arrested for simulating a sexual act in any of these events where nudity is rampart.

I have been to Mardi Gras, Freaknick, and a couple others but I have never seen the vulgarity occur during the daytime events that I saw at a pride festival. I guess the important thing is how it is advertised. The marketing for pride events can be very misleading and that's what hurts the events in the end.

 

[Obama08]

But that's not the point. Not everybody in these Gay Pride parades is "trying to appeal to mainstream America." A lot of them are just out there having fun, like the drunkasses on Halloween and St. Patricks Day. Why shouldn't gay people be allowed to do the same thing?

Just because the gay rights movement is fighting for equal rights doesn't mean that every time a group of gay people get together anywhere in the country, they have to act in a way that would "help their cause."

Are you kidding? These parades basically scream "we want rights" and "toleration". Well I hate to say it but most Americans just wont be able to tolerate gay people if they demonstrate themselves as promiscuous sluts. I am ashamed to consider myself part of this community at all.

 

[Obama08]

It's an event where Gay people celebrate the fact that they are gay. The same way the Irish celebrate the fact that they're Irish or the way black people celebrate the fact that they're black on February. They just have their own way of doing it



OMG! Imagine that, censoring yourself because of what others might think. In case you haven't noticed, if people were censored everytime some part of the country opposed an event/gathering, then we wouldn't have Black History Month, Women's Month, 5 De Mayo etc etc.



Gay pride from what I gather is not about convicing the people who are opposed to homosexuality. It is about gay people celebrating their sexuality. If "mainstream" American(wtf that is) doesn't like it, it's not forced to attend gay pride parades.

Yes, it is to celebrate that they're gay...but its also a political statement demanding rights and eqaulity.

Do women wear dildos, get naked, and pretend to have sex during womens history month?
How about black people...Do they focus black history month around parades where they all get naked and pretend to have sex?

Gay parades are a combined effort of "were proud" "accept us" "we want rights/equality"...therefore the parades are politically motivated.

And even if they weren't political, the way the decide to act during these parades would still make americans hate them.

 

[Captain America]

Just stay away from gay picnics...





......................................... the hotdogs taste like sh1t! :rofl

 

[1069]

Do women wear dildos, get naked, and pretend to have sex during womens history month?
How about black people...Do they focus black history month around parades where they all get naked and pretend to have sex?

There is no "gay history" month, and there are no "gay history" parades.
Gay Pride Parades are- as their name would indicate- an exhibitionistic celebration of sexual orientation.
Sort of like Carnival in Rio de Janeiro or Mardi Gras in New orleans or any weekend night on any party strip in any city is an exhibitionistic celebration of heterosexual sexual orientation.