NotthePolice
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I have NO problem with gay marrige as long as both chicks are HOT :rofl
You realize that "Gay" refers to male homo...Oh never mind.NotthePolice said:I have NO problem with gay marrige as long as both chicks are HOT :rofl
I guess. Not really. Who cares?Pacridge said:You realize that "Gay" refers to male homo...Oh never mind.
If gays were alowed to marry it would, infact, lead to the slow distruction of American society as we know it. Look at the Netherlands. Gay marriage was legalized there years ago and they've expirenced a sharp decline in marriage, a sharp increase in divorce, and a sharp increase in out of wedlock births. This has all led to a vast increase in the number of broken homes with children. All current social science data shows us that the best enviornment in which to raise a child is an intact traditional home. Children in broken, or nontraditional homes, are more likely to expirence poverty, academic faliure, drug use, abuse, mental problems, and are themselves more likely to have children out of marriage. This leads to more broken families, crime rates raise, dependence on the state raises, the number of those recieving medicare and welfare raises, taxes go up (as does unemployment), and the economy crashes. All of this as a direct result of gay marriage. So I think you would notice.liberal1 said:I have no problem whatsoever if gays marry. If it doesn't effect me why do I care. For an example, if your neighbor was gay and married, I don't think it would upset your daily routine, would it?
Not very compassionate for a liberal, are you? Homosexuality is imoral, therefore every parent has a right to control their children's exposer to it. No one has the right to cram their beliefes down anyones throat (pardon the expression).heyjoeo said:And I swear if someone follows that up with something about "my child may see them and be corrupted!" I will shoot you in the face.
ConservativeShane said:more broken families, crime rates raise, dependence on the state raises, the number of those recieving medicare and welfare raises, taxes go up (as does unemployment), and the economy crashes. All of this as a direct result of gay marriage.
ConservativeShane said:If gays were alowed to marry it would, infact, lead to the slow distruction of American society as we know it. Look at the Netherlands. Gay marriage was legalized there years ago and they've expirenced a sharp decline in marriage, a sharp increase in divorce, and a sharp increase in out of wedlock births. This has all led to a vast increase in the number of broken homes with children. All current social science data shows us that the best enviornment in which to raise a child is an intact traditional home. Children in broken, or nontraditional homes, are more likely to expirence poverty, academic faliure, drug use, abuse, mental problems, and are themselves more likely to have children out of marriage. This leads to more broken families, crime rates raise, dependence on the state raises, the number of those recieving medicare and welfare raises, taxes go up (as does unemployment), and the economy crashes. All of this as a direct result of gay marriage. So I think you would notice.
I wouldn't expect everyone to understand the complicated way our government works, that certain elements affect others. Broken families lead to disadvantaged children, these children lack education. Lack of education leads to unemployment. Unemployment leads to poverty, hence the rise in poverty and unemployment. Poverty leads to crime. Hence the rise in crime rates. Poverty also leads to a greater dependence on the State (welfare, healthcare, food stamps, ect.). Greater dependence on the State leads to a drain on government money. The government ges its money from tax payers, hence the rise in taxes. So: broken families lead to an increase in unemployment, an increase in poverty, an increase in crime and an increase in taxes (or the deficit).Naughty Nurse said:Really?
Honestly?
Truly?
What are you on?
My numbers on divorce rates can be found in any social science study done on the Netherlands. The legalization of gay marriage led to something known as "flash annulments", and a vast increase in divorce rates.Pacridge said:Where are you getting any of these numbers and or facts? Last time I saw a divorce rate numbers on the Netherlands it was in a study regarding drug abuse and drug legalization. I can honestly for the US to have a divorce rate at or near the Netherland's ours would have to go down.
I do agree that children in broken homes have more problems than that of children in non-broken homes. But to say that children in nontraditional homes experience the same is pure BS. Nontraditional homes and broken homes are not the same thing.
ConservativeShane said:My numbers on divorce rates can be found in any social science study done on the Netherlands. The legalization of gay marriage led to something known as "flash annulments", and a vast increase in divorce rates.
To say that children in broken homes experience problems that children in non-traditional homes do not is, in fact, BS. Children in families with single and Cohabitant parents experience the same, if not worse, social problems than children in families with divorced parents. Why should we expect any different from other variants of the family? One factor of traditional homes is the unique factors each sex have to offer as parents. This is something non-traditional families, and certainly same-sex families, lack.
First of all, I want to compliment you on your massive use of the term "BS". It serves as an indicator to us all of what an intellectual challenge we are heading into. Second, I assumed you knew how to use google, but since you apparently don't, here you go.Pacridge said:So, post your source.
Second you're making a claim here about the experience of children in homes without any reference as to where you're getting this data. Someone could just as easily post that the children in nontraditional homes fare far better and that what you're saying is indeed BS. Find some facts, back up your BS or pack it in.
ConservativeShane said:First of all, I want to compliment you on your massive use of the term "BS". It serves as an indicator to us all of what an intellectual challenge we are heading into. Second, I assumed you knew how to use google, but since you apparently don't, here you go.
Sources:
For the Netherlands data:
The Transatlantic Divide on Marriage: Dutch Data and the U.S. Debate on Same-Sex Unions by Patrick F. Fagan and Grace Smith
For your new complaint, Children in traditional families:
The Positive Effects of Marriage: A Book of Charts by Robert E. Rector, Kirk A. Johnson, Ph.D., Patrick Fagan, and America Peterson
Marriage: Still the Safest Place For Women and Children
by Robert E. Rector, Patrick F. Fagan, and Kirk A. Johnson, Ph.D.
Wow, three independent studies! And I only searched google once!
Sorry, I assumed by your previous inability to use google that you might not be able to click on a link. I just went with the first three studies I found, which were all from an independent source (more than I can say for the Chicago Tribune or New York Times).Pacridge said:Wow! three independent sources all from the same source, "The Heritage Foundation" all authored, basically, by the same people. Now who would call BS on that tactic?
Having suddenly been instructed how to do a simply Goggle search and in keeping with your fine tactics- here's three "independent" sources from the "The Human Rights Campaign." They're all from the same site, like yours, However I couldn't duplicate your tactic of repeatedly using the same author. And though mine are located on the same web page, you'll note they all come from separate sources. Including that liberal rag "The Wall Street Journal."
Kids Adjust Fine in Gay Households, Kathy Megan Chicago Tribune
http://www.hrc.org/Content/ContentGroups/News3/2004_May/Kids_Adjust_Fine_in_Gay_Households.htm
Experts Dispute Bush on Gay-Adoption Issue, New York Times
http://www.hrc.org/Content/ContentGroups/News3/2005_January/Experts_Dispute_Bush_on_Gay-Adoption_Issue.htm
Blocking Gay Adoptions Hurts Kids Al Hunt, Wall Street Journal
http://www.hrc.org/Content/ContentGroups/News3/20029/Blocking_Gay_Adoptions_Hurts_Kids.htm
ConservativeShane said:I wouldn't expect everyone to understand the complicated way our government works, that certain elements affect others. Broken families lead to disadvantaged children, these children lack education. Lack of education leads to unemployment. Unemployment leads to poverty, hence the rise in poverty and unemployment. Poverty leads to crime. Hence the rise in crime rates. Poverty also leads to a greater dependence on the State (welfare, healthcare, food stamps, ect.). Greater dependence on the State leads to a drain on government money. The government ges its money from tax payers, hence the rise in taxes. So: broken families lead to an increase in unemployment, an increase in poverty, an increase in crime and an increase in taxes (or the deficit).
ConservativeShane said:If you have any trouble understanding the previous paragraph, please consult a middle school social studies text-book.
ConservativeShane said:Sorry, I assumed by your previous inability to use google that you might not be able to click on a link. I just went with the first three studies I found, which were all from an independent source (more than I can say for the Chicago Tribune or New York Times).
By the way, my three sources were independent studies, yours are all biased news stories. Do you see the difference between news stories and independent studies?
Now, I won't take your first two "independent" sources seriously, so lets just ignore them. The third source however interested me, seeing as how it was from a conservative source. So I wasn't all that surprised when I saw it was an opinion piece. Also, the opinion piece was based on one study, a study by the American Academy of Pediatrics that was very controversial and did not garner support from all of its members. This opinion piece also made the blatantly rude comparison between the civil-rights movement and the gay-rights movement. I suggest that you read more than the title and authors of the sources I listed.
So you're saying that homosexuality is immoral. That's YOUR belief. And you're OK shoving YOUR belief down other people's throats?ConservativeShane said:Not very compassionate for a liberal, are you? Homosexuality is imoral, therefore every parent has a right to control their children's exposer to it. No one has the right to cram their beliefes down anyones throat (pardon the expression).
shuamort said:Good grief. The hypocrasy is so delicious, mind if I have a piece?
Do you use have quotation marks in the UK, or is that thing you do with asterisk just the result of not having middle school? (The previous statement was a joke, in case you don't have those in the UK either).Naughty Nurse said:I read the first of the three *independent* sources you later quoted. The authors themselves stated that there is no link between gay marriage and the failure of traditional marriage. Everything you say above is true, but is completely irrelevant to the issue of gay marriage.
Oh, thanks for the advice. But, oh dear, we don't have *middle schools* here in the UK. What do you suggest I do now, as I am clearly incapable of independent thought? (Don't patronise)
ConservativeShane said:Do you use have quotation marks in the UK, or is that thing you do with asterisk just the result of not having middle school? (The previous statement was a joke, in case you don't have those in the UK either).