Gay marriage is RUINING LIVES [W:350]

[Simon Feltser]

Children of gay parents are the ones who suffer and we need stick up for these kids before homosexuals ruin their lives forever
The study looked at 40 different outcomes, but reported data for children with "lesbian mothers" and those with "gay fathers" separately. Therefore, there actually were 80 outcome measures that could be said to compare children with "homosexual parents" to those from other family structures. When compared with outcomes for children raised by an "intact biological family" (with a married, biological mother and father), the children of homosexuals did worse (or, in the case of their own sexual orientation, were more likely to deviate from the societal norm) on 77 out of 80 outcome measures.
Family Research Council

This has been the most comprehensive unbiased study ever conducted on this issue and the facts are in, peer-reviewed, and stand up to any criticism.
Gay parents are worse for children

 

[dogtowner]

Outcome is not surprizing but an 80 case study doesnt seem to qualify as comprehensive.

 

[29A]

Children of gay parents are the ones who suffer and we need stick up for these kids before homosexuals ruin their lives forever
The study looked at 40 different outcomes, but reported data for children with "lesbian mothers" and those with "gay fathers" separately. Therefore, there actually were 80 outcome measures that could be said to compare children with "homosexual parents" to those from other family structures. When compared with outcomes for children raised by an "intact biological family" (with a married, biological mother and father), the children of homosexuals did worse (or, in the case of their own sexual orientation, were more likely to deviate from the societal norm) on 77 out of 80 outcome measures.
Family Research Council

This has been the most comprehensive unbiased study ever conducted on this issue and the facts are in, peer-reviewed, and stand up to any criticism.
Gay parents are worse for children

What a lol.

The study looked at 40 different outcomes, but reported data for children with "lesbian mothers" and those with "gay fathers" separately. Therefore, there actually were 80 outcome measures that could be said to compare children with "homosexual parents" to those from other family structures. When compared with outcomes for children raised by an "intact biological family" (with a married, biological mother and father), the children of homosexuals did worse (or, in the case of their own sexual orientation, were more likely to deviate from the societal norm) on 77 out of 80 outcome measures. (The only exceptions: children of "gay fathers" were more likely to vote; children of lesbians used alcohol less frequently; and children of "gay fathers" used alcohol at the same rate as those in intact biological families).

Omg, the "outcome measures" are only related to sexual orientation. Seems one should be more worried about those factors causing increases in prison population.

Nearly 70 percent of juveniles in state reform institutions come from fatherless homes.
Welfare Reform | Cato Institute

 

[TeleKat]

Yes, there's just something fundamentally worse about loving parents that happen to be gay than straight parents that fight all the time and divorce 3 different spouses.

 

[americanwoman]

This has been the most comprehensive unbiased study ever conducted on this issue and the facts are in, peer-reviewed, and stand up to any criticism.
Gay parents are worse for children

:lamo unbiased. :lamo

 

[tres borrachos]

Children of gay parents are the ones who suffer and we need stick up for these kids before homosexuals ruin their lives forever
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Gay parents are worse for children

Nonsense all around.

I know gay couples with children who are loving, smart, wonderful parents whose kids are thriving. I know hetero couples who can't stand each other, and all they do is fight in front of their kids who are impacted negatively by it.

Utter nonsense. Nobody's life is being ruined.

 

[iliveonramen]

Children of gay parents are the ones who suffer and we need stick up for these kids before homosexuals ruin their lives forever
The study looked at 40 different outcomes, but reported data for children with "lesbian mothers" and those with "gay fathers" separately. Therefore, there actually were 80 outcome measures that could be said to compare children with "homosexual parents" to those from other family structures. When compared with outcomes for children raised by an "intact biological family" (with a married, biological mother and father), the children of homosexuals did worse (or, in the case of their own sexual orientation, were more likely to deviate from the societal norm) on 77 out of 80 outcome measures.
Family Research Council

This has been the most comprehensive unbiased study ever conducted on this issue and the facts are in, peer-reviewed, and stand up to any criticism.
Gay parents are worse for children

The definition of what it means to have a homosexual parent is also a loose one in this study--by necessity, in order to maximize the sample size of homosexual parents. Not all of those who reported that a parent was in a same-sex relationship even lived with that parent during the relationship; many who did, did not live with the partner as well. Only 23% of those with a lesbian mother, and only 2% of those with a homosexual father, had spent as long as three years living in a household with the homosexual parent and the parent's partner at the same time. Details like this involving the actual timeline of these children's lives can reportedly be found in Regnerus' dataset, which is to be made available to other researchers later this year.

This is pretty large caveat in the study...

 

[Jetboogieman]

Having become a father 11 months ago... I know one thing for sure... I know nothing.

Being a parent is no cake walk and I'm not convinced in anyway that there's some magic formula to perfect parentage.

What you really need is parents that give a crap about you and will do everything they can to see you succeed in life, giving you the love and means to do so.

A good parent is a good parent, there are no perfect parents, gay or straight, we're doing the best we can.

So if a good set of parents happens to be gay, so be it.

I do not have the patience, nor the inclination to be tolerant of those who disagree on this specific issue.

If you think that people make bad parents purely on their sexual orientation alone... then you are a bigoted individual.

End of.

 

[TeleKat]

Having become a father 11 months ago... I know one thing for sure... I know nothing.

Being a parent is no cake walk and I'm not convinced in anyway that there's some magic formula to perfect parentage.

What you really need is parents that give a crap about you and will do everything they can to see you succeed in life, giving you the love and means to do so.

A good parent is a good parent, there are no perfect parents, gay or straight, we're doing the best we can.

So if a good set of parents happens to be gay, so be it.

I do not have the patience, nor the inclination to be tolerant of those who disagree on this specific issue.

If you think that people make bad parents purely on their sexual orientation alone... then you are a bigoted individual.

End of.

I wish there were a way to give multiple likes.

Will this suffice?

 

[WorldWatcher]

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Anyone interested on how well this "study" was received and see how well it was viewed in court in the Deboer v. Snyder case from Michgan.

Deboer v. Snyder
Unikted States District Court Eastern District of Michigan
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...ndings_of_Fact_and_Conclusions_of_Law.pdf.jpg


The discussion of the study starts on PDF Page 11.



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[Glen Contrarian]

Children of gay parents are the ones who suffer and we need stick up for these kids before homosexuals ruin their lives forever
The study looked at 40 different outcomes, but reported data for children with "lesbian mothers" and those with "gay fathers" separately. Therefore, there actually were 80 outcome measures that could be said to compare children with "homosexual parents" to those from other family structures. When compared with outcomes for children raised by an "intact biological family" (with a married, biological mother and father), the children of homosexuals did worse (or, in the case of their own sexual orientation, were more likely to deviate from the societal norm) on 77 out of 80 outcome measures.
Family Research Council

This has been the most comprehensive unbiased study ever conducted on this issue and the facts are in, peer-reviewed, and stand up to any criticism.
Gay parents are worse for children

First off, you got your info from the Family Research Council - the "Pravda" of the homophobic crowd.

Second, by supporting homophobia, you're on the side of Putin, North Korea, and the Taliban. I realize that you like them better than anyone to the left of Dick Cheney (who has a lesbian daughter, come to think of it), but you really should think about the fleas you're getting from the dogs you're lying down with.

Third, we straight people (I'm happily married with great kids - my 22nd anniversary is in less than two weeks) don't have a whole lot of room to talk, especially since over half of all straight marriages end in divorce. And you can't claim that's a liberal thing, since RED states generally have higher divorce rates and higher teenage pregnancy rates than blue states do.

 

[Redress]

Children of gay parents are the ones who suffer and we need stick up for these kids before homosexuals ruin their lives forever
The study looked at 40 different outcomes, but reported data for children with "lesbian mothers" and those with "gay fathers" separately. Therefore, there actually were 80 outcome measures that could be said to compare children with "homosexual parents" to those from other family structures. When compared with outcomes for children raised by an "intact biological family" (with a married, biological mother and father), the children of homosexuals did worse (or, in the case of their own sexual orientation, were more likely to deviate from the societal norm) on 77 out of 80 outcome measures.
Family Research Council

This has been the most comprehensive unbiased study ever conducted on this issue and the facts are in, peer-reviewed, and stand up to any criticism.
Gay parents are worse for children

You cited Regnerus. LoLz. Here, let me help you with a link to a compilation with just the biggest flaws of the paper: Flawed Study of "Gay Parenting": Roundup of Recent Media Cov | Psychology Today

Participants were categorized as having same-sex parents if their parent had ever had a same-sex romantic relationship while the respondent was under 18. This definition of “same-sex couples” is fundamentally flawed, in that (as closer examination of the paper reveals), almost none of the respondents were actually raised in a same-sex parent household. (In fact, only two children of “gay parents” in the survey were raised by the same same-sex couple their entire lives, and only 8 were raised by a same-sex couple who were together over 8 years.) Yet the paper repeatedly refers to children of “gay men” and “lesbians” when in fact, these children are individuals who, as adults, knew about and recalled that their parents had at some point had a romantic relationship with someone of the same sex.

So first big flaw: They where not raised by gay couples, nor even necessarily by any gay person.

Related to the above critique is the fact that the categories that Regnerus used are not mutually exclusive, but yet were treated as such for purposes of analyzing the data. Namely, participants who fall into the “lesbian mother” and “gay father” categories may quite plausibly also be in any other category as well (e.g., they may also be from divorced, single parent, or intact biological families), and, indeed most of them almost certainly were. Thus, as Andrew Perrin points out, in his excellent critique of the study, “the analytical strategy amounts to manufacturing a virtual world that doesn’t fit the data at all, then analyzing that world."

I would further be remiss if I did not point out that your thread title was laughably bad. Same sex marriage is new. Massachusetts was the first state to allow SSM, in 2004, so it is literally impossible to compare outcomes between children from SSM to children of mixed sex marriage.

 

[Ikari]

Children of gay parents are the ones who suffer and we need stick up for these kids before homosexuals ruin their lives forever
The study looked at 40 different outcomes, but reported data for children with "lesbian mothers" and those with "gay fathers" separately. Therefore, there actually were 80 outcome measures that could be said to compare children with "homosexual parents" to those from other family structures. When compared with outcomes for children raised by an "intact biological family" (with a married, biological mother and father), the children of homosexuals did worse (or, in the case of their own sexual orientation, were more likely to deviate from the societal norm) on 77 out of 80 outcome measures.
Family Research Council

This has been the most comprehensive unbiased study ever conducted on this issue and the facts are in, peer-reviewed, and stand up to any criticism.
Gay parents are worse for children

Does this mean we have to outlaw divorce? For the children?

 

[29A]

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Anyone interested on how well this "study" was received and see how well it was viewed in court in the Deboer v. Snyder case from Michgan.

Deboer v. Snyder
Unikted States District Court Eastern District of Michigan
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...ndings_of_Fact_and_Conclusions_of_Law.pdf.jpg


The discussion of the study starts on PDF Page 11. >>>>

Thanks for the heads up. I couldn't get to page 11 from your link, but found this instead. It mentions two studies, so for clarification, the Regnerus study was the one linked to by OP.

The common flaw of the Regnerus and Allen studies was the failure to account for
the fact that many of the subjects who were raised in same-sex households experienced prior
incidents of family instability (e.g., divorce or separation) or were initially placed in the foster
care system. Both researchers acknowledged that poor school performance could result from a
child’s exposure to divorce or parental separation. Regnerus’s NFSS study also suffered from
another defect in that it failed to measure the adult outcomes of children who were actually
raised in same-sex households. In short, the isolated studies cited by the state defendants do not
support the argument that children raised by heterosexual couples have better outcomes than
children raised by same-sex couples. To the contrary, the overwhelming weight of the scientific
evidence supports the “no differences” viewpoint.
https://www.mied.uscourts.gov/PDFFIles/12-10285DeBoerFindings.pdf

 

[Paschendale]

Does this mean we have to outlaw divorce? For the children?

A lot of the same people who want to stop gays from forming families would probably say yes to that. Let's not give them any ideas.

 

[ecofarm]

I know one thing for sure... I know nothing.

The first step from knowledge to understanding.

 

[Jetboogieman]

The first step from knowledge to understanding.

Well that's the big thing, I mean one thing I did come into it with was that my mom had twins when I was 15, so I learned alot from that (particularly in the baby proofing departments) but i knew one thing for sure is there's no surefire way to raise a child.

If there was a silver bullet, we'd all use it but i refrain from the most part on offering any advice beyond like product stuff because every child is different and you have to find whats best for you.

 

[Peter Grimm]

Does this mean we have to outlaw divorce? For the children?

Yes...

 

[Peter Grimm]

Gays should NOT be allowed to adopt. Utterly sickening. I feel so bad for those poor kids.

 

[Ikari]

Gays should NOT be allowed to adopt. Utterly sickening. I feel so bad for those poor kids.

Yes, because the government is well better at raising kids than a stable, two parent household.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Thanks for the heads up. I couldn't get to page 11 from your link, but found this instead. It mentions two studies, so for clarification, the Regnerus study was the one linked to by OP.

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Anyone interested on how well this "study" was received and see how well it was viewed in court in the Deboer v. Snyder case from Michgan.

Deboer v. Snyder
Unikted States District Court Eastern District of Michigan
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...ndings_of_Fact_and_Conclusions_of_Law.pdf.jpg


The discussion of the study starts on PDF Page 11.



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Sorry about that.

Corrected link -->> https://www.equalitymi.org/files/March2014-DeBoer-ruling.pdf


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[TeleKat]

Gays should NOT be allowed to adopt. Utterly sickening. I feel so bad for those poor kids.

Yeah, those poor ****ing kids. Actually with a loving family instead of bouncing back and forth between foster homes their entire childhood.

 

[RAMOSS]

Gays should NOT be allowed to adopt. Utterly sickening. I feel so bad for those poor kids.

Yes, because Government should stay out of everyone's business, unless it is to put restrictions on Gays. RIIIGHT.

 

[Paschendale]

I'm pretty sure it's anti-gay discrimination that's ruining lives, not equality.

 

[Peter Grimm]

Yes, because Government should stay out of everyone's business, unless it is to put restrictions on Gays. RIIIGHT.

How is it even logically possible for the government to stay out of adoptions? Every adoption today has to be registered by the government and is subject to a number of regulating laws.

Unless you're suggesting we should be able to buy children on the free market, I'm not sure where you're going with this.