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[WorldWatcher]

Re: Gay HATE Agendas.....

I think in large parts of the country, especially Red States you would absolutely see them.

Probably. So what?


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[WorldWatcher]

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It absolutely is the government job. Businesses should not be able to come in, take advantage of the resources this great country offers, profit off of us while all the while setting their own rules. This is OUR Country. Do business in our country, play by our rules. simple.

If they turn away your business and don't take your money how are they profiting off you?

Take the case presented in the OP. A bakery initiated a discriminatory event. No Wedding Cake was sold. No profit was made. As a matter of fact, after the discriminatory event became public knowledge their revenues WENT DOWN to the point where they had to close their storefront reducing profits even more since they can't sell at the same volume and will be reduced to special orders out of their house.


Discrimination, in this example, resulted in LESS profit.


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[AGENT J]

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I think in large parts of the country, especially Red States you would absolutely see them.

yep i agree it and i dont htink it would just be in red states

i dont want laws that empower bigots and discrimination, no thanks

im glad the government protects the rights of my fellow citizens.

We all have to play by the same public business rules you you dont get to play its a basic concept.

 

[Bodi]

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You are missing the point, this isn't about the bakery, this is about the reaction from the gay community.

OK. I think that they are over reacting zealots who alienate people who might have been more empathetic had they been more mature and professional about their cause. I know I am one that thinks that they crossed a line. Not all gays... just these militant ones.

 

[Deuce]

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I think you better look up the meaning of double standard. In any case, it's fun to watch homophobes pretend they're being victimized because rational people are increasingly rejecting their ugly irrational hatred of tens of millions of people. It's progress in the making.

*sniffle* you aren't tolerating my intolerance!

Bunch of whiny babies. Gay people exist. They're going to be able to get married throughout the nation at some point in the near future. ****ing get over it. It doesn't affect you or your religion.

 

[head of joaquin]

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If they turn away your business and don't take your money how are they profiting off you?

Take the case presented in the OP. A bakery initiated a discriminatory event. No Wedding Cake was sold. No profit was made. As a matter of fact, after the discriminatory event became public knowledge their revenues WENT DOWN to the point where they had to close their storefront reducing profits even more since they can't sell at the same volume and will be reduced to special orders out of their house.


Discrimination, in this example, resulted in LESS profit.


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They profit off our system of tolerance and openness, that allows business to flourish here and not, say, in Afghanistan. Civil society works as a whole to create a productive environment where general prosperity can happen. So discriminating against a specific group might reduce the profits of the bigoted business (unlikely since most discriminatory businesses market their biases to attract a biased clientele) in a particular instance, but they are profiting in general from rules that prevent discrimination and allow everyone to contribute to productivity.

But the real issue is whether we are going to allow commerce to be exempt from civil society based on some right of people to harm others as long as they harm themselves also. I doubt such a right exists. Moreover, since commerce is a national issue, I see no reason why we can't regulate commerce to prevent what in any sensible person's mind is a harmful practice that makes civil society that much more difficult to maintain. It's frankly too important to accommodate the prejudices of some hateful shopkeepers.

 

[Sykes]

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That didn't really have anything to do with my previous post, BUT it does mean that they aren't consistent in their views. Doesn't change the OP though.

They're hypocrites of the highest order, and they deserve whatever comes to them.

 

[Sykes]

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I'm not your son. I know what a disagreement with the OP is, but you aren't discussing the OP, you are discussing a tangent. t

Well, if you're going to go all literal and ****, he didn't say 'my son.' He said 'son.' It's a southern thing, for the most part.

 

[zgoldsmith23]

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It occurs, what standard do you use to determine it is normal? That is the problem with psycobabalism, it relies upon consensus not standards.

My standard is that if it is contrary to normal instinctual behavior and the reasons for such behavior to evolve, then it is abnormal aberrant behavior.

As far as being behind, BS. You have simply bought into a bunch or unfounded opinions and accept them as facts, I don't.

What does homophobia have to do with what I have been saying?

BTW, why do only say that instead of providing an evidential evidence contrary to my statement?

I'm glad you like the term "psychobabalism" but I'm not sure how you're applying it considering we're arguing a hard science, not a social ("soft") science.. So you have scientific evidence that homosexuality is not instinctual? Look up Bruce Baghemil's works on homosexuality. Here are Ciani's two works regarding homosexuality and evolution: 2004 and 2008. Not really unfounded opinions, but rather "scientific studies" and "data analysis" but, whatever floats your boat, I guess, eh?

 

[DVSentinel]

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It absolutely is the government job. Businesses should not be able to come in, take advantage of the resources this great country offers, profit off of us while all the while setting their own rules. This is OUR Country. Do business in our country, play by our rules. simple.

Ah the expected appropriate socialist answer, Power to the Government, not the People.

 

[DVSentinel]

Re: Gay HATE Agendas.....

I'm glad you like the term "psychobabalism" but I'm not sure how you're applying it considering we're arguing a hard science, not a social ("soft") science.. So you have scientific evidence that homosexuality is not instinctual? Look up Bruce Baghemil's works on homosexuality. Here are Ciani's two works regarding homosexuality and evolution: 2004 and 2008. Not really unfounded opinions, but rather "scientific studies" and "data analysis" but, whatever floats your boat, I guess, eh?

Did you actually read those? Both may be relevant to whether male homosexuality is genetic or environmental. However, interesting that one of the articles refer to male homosexuality as "this apparently detrimental" (2008 reference you gave). Neither address the hypothesis that I presented.

Also you are a suggesting material written by a homosexual which tries to "prove" it being natural in origin, not whether is is aberrant to basic sexual conduct. For starters, he does not even address whether conduct is true homosexuality or homosexual conduct. One being a preference and one being an individual act. So unless he actually monitored the animals 24/7 for their entire lives and they only chose to be perform homosexual acts even when members of the opposite sex were available and in the case of Females, in heat, then he cannot prove homosexuality, only the existence in nature of homosexual acts. He does address that sex acts can serve different functions other than reproduction, however he does not address or prove that the primary sex drive and primary purpose of sexual activity is not reproduction only that it has evolved to affect have different factors in the individual.

 

[Sykes]

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You know I tried to be nice and give you a compliment (twice), and instead you go on your usual rants.

The gays are factually discriminating the store owners based on their religious beliefs. They could have gone to another bakery, respected the religious belief and moved on. INSTEAD, they launched war against the store.

Just keep turning the other cheek, Sunshine. It's in your job description.

 

[Sykes]

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By the way, it's a well known fact that gay people hate agendas. They never match the rug.

"How could you even THINK we'd damage the fabric of society? We would NEVER harm fabric!"

 

[disneydude]

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Ah the expected appropriate socialist answer, Power to the Government, not the People.

No.....more like the expected facist corporatist answer, POWER to the corporation/business, not the people.

 

[Fenton]

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So the persecutors are being persecuted ifor persecuting?

Bull sh**, how was the bakery " persecuting " anyone ?

Rhe Homo's are going to learn a hard lesson. That they're in the minority and ther strong arm tactics are going to backfire.

 

[Fenton]

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So the persecutors are being persecuted ifor persecuting?

Bull sh**, how was the bakery " persecuting " anyone ?

These Gay activist are going to learn a hard lesson. That they're in the minority and their strong arm tactics are going to backfire.

 

[wolfsgirl]

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Bull sh**, how was the bakery " persecuting " anyone ?

These Gay activist are going to learn a hard lesson. That they're in the minority and their strong arm tactics are going to backfire.

Didn't work out that way. The bakery had a 50% cut in sales, had to close their storefront, and move back to their home.

 

[WorldWatcher]

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Bull sh**, how was the bakery " persecuting " anyone ?

These Gay activist are going to learn a hard lesson. That they're in the minority and their strong arm tactics are going to backfire.

Sorry, but business boycotts is well used tactic by social conservatives - it's not something exclusive to "gay activists".


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[AGENT J]

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TODD'S AMERICAN DISPATCH: Christian bakery closes after LGBT threats, protests | Fox News

So it is ok for Homosexuals to make threats to kill people and mob against them, but we can't stand up for our beliefs? That is the real discrimination!

just an update to this story

supposedly this was some of the Facebook posts by the bakery
http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/de...7d60f098b72d69fc61ef3a0e192.jpg?itok=Lbt-8fdE

**** the niggers, spics, whores, sodomites, fat bitches, ugly ****s, hypocritical hoes and overweight hippos on our feed. We try so hard to bake cakes and all you ungrateful bullies hate on me and my beautiful family after these articles were written, shame on you! If you dont like our business then dont stop by, more cake for our fellow Christians"

IF this is true good riddance to a garbage people and a garbage business
how anybody has the balls to say "fellow chrisitans" after that rant is beyond me

if this is true i hope their on line business fails also and people post this everywhere

also while i still dont condone and death threats or threats of harm if they happened after comments like these im not shocked in the least.

 

[Gina]

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Moderator's Warning:

The personal comments need to stop. Please return to the topic, which is not each other.

 

[zgoldsmith23]

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Did you actually read those? Both may be relevant to whether male homosexuality is genetic or environmental. However, interesting that one of the articles refer to male homosexuality as "this apparently detrimental" (2008 reference you gave). Neither address the hypothesis that I presented.

What is your hypothesis?

Also you are a suggesting material written by a homosexual which tries to "prove" it being natural in origin, not whether is is aberrant to basic sexual conduct. For starters, he does not even address whether conduct is true homosexuality or homosexual conduct. One being a preference and one being an individual act. So unless he actually monitored the animals 24/7 for their entire lives and they only chose to be perform homosexual acts even when members of the opposite sex were available and in the case of Females, in heat, then he cannot prove homosexuality, only the existence in nature of homosexual acts. He does address that sex acts can serve different functions other than reproduction, however he does not address or prove that the primary sex drive and primary purpose of sexual activity is not reproduction only that it has evolved to affect have different factors in the individual.

Why do you think it is aberrant to basic sexual conduct? Are you thinking the one (and only) purpose of sex is reproduction?

 

[Fenton]

Sorry, but business boycotts is well
used tactic by social conservatives - it's not something exclusive to "gay activists".


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I don't have a problem with " boycotts"....but a boycott doesn't equate to " persecution ".

 

[Monserrat]

TODD'S AMERICAN DISPATCH: Christian bakery closes after LGBT threats, protests | Fox News

So it is ok for Homosexuals to make threats to kill people and mob against them, but we can't stand up for our beliefs? That is the real discrimination!

I didn't see the death threats but I think it's childish (with adult consequences) to go after someone financially because they don't like you. It's usually a lesson people learn before they're old enough to get married, not everybody is going to like you and you can try to force them to all you want but at some point you have to ask yourself why it is that you need everyone to like you.