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See post #74 above.
You state the old man "attempting to grab his ID from the officer" as though it was fact. I've read more than a dozen news articles and not once had I came across such report. You have the tendency to make up stuffs against this old man and despite my calling you out on this several times, you continues to do so without reservation. That right there goes to show you are willing to engaging in dishonest debate knowingly.
Yes, police make mistakes and didn't catch him despite the old man's standing against the wall and within arms' length of the officer but I had already allowed for such in my two previous posts and you have yet to tell me why he was handcuffed while sustaining a fall.
Now, once again, which makes more sense:
A. The old man standing against the wall just fell within arm's length of officer and officer just handcuffed a fallen old man still on the ground after a fall.
OR
B. The police called for backup and when backup arrived the old man was pushed to the wall and then down to the ground to be subdued and handcuffed.
A doesn't make much sense, does it?
For one, the old man was standing against the wall and the officer was in front of him within arm's length. It not only makes no sense but also there is no report in the news media of a single witness stating that the old man fell. Yet, despite it's absence of witness to that and the scenario making no sense you still steadfast insist that the old man fell.
Whereas B is consistent with the following points:
1. this is consistent with police take down tactics that results in a subject being subdued on the ground and handcuffed:
[video=youtube;zqRYhPcaq-Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=zqRYhPcaq-Y[/video]
2. it is consistent with the news report of the old man's encounter with the police:
Manhattan man, 84, ticketed for jaywalking to file $5 million lawsuit against city - NY Daily News
Several officers raced over and grabbed Wong, pushing him against the wall of a building. Wong said he was pushed to the ground and struck his head, blacking out. When he regained consciousness, blood was streaming down his face and his hands were cuffed behind his back.
Several officers raced over and grabbed Wong, pushing him against the wall of a building. Wong said he was pushed to the ground and struck his head, blacking out. When he regained consciousness, blood was streaming down his face and his hands were cuffed behind his back.
3. supported by a witness' account:
Cops in NYC Bloody Up An 84 Year Old Man Over Jaywalking : TheSource
“The guy didn’t seem to speak English. The cop walked him over to the Citibank. [The officer] stood him up against the wall and was trying to write him a ticket. The man didn’t seem to understand, and he started walking away. The cop tried to pull him back, and that’s when he began to struggle with the cop. As soon as he pushed the cop, it was like cops started running in from everywhere.”
“The guy didn’t seem to speak English. The cop walked him over to the Citibank. [The officer] stood him up against the wall and was trying to write him a ticket. The man didn’t seem to understand, and he started walking away. The cop tried to pull him back, and that’s when he began to struggle with the cop. As soon as he pushed the cop, it was like cops started running in from everywhere.”
4. the independent media photos of Mr. Kang Wong on the ground and already handcuffed supported his account in #2.
Notice that the witness Ian King said the old man struggled with the cop before pushing him as the backup cops started running in from everywhere and not that the old man fell and then the backup cops started running in from everywhere.
So, the old man was still standing until the backup cops arrived and only then he was pushed to the floor which is consistent with what the old man said in #2 above.
So, if we have ruled out the falling scenario very unlikely as expounded above, the only way the old can sustain such head injuries to the back of his head is:
1. he banged his head against the wall himself and lied about it. Unlikely given it was in busy public street intersection - many witnesses.
2. he fell back and hit his head on the concrete pavement but that's not possible for abovementioned reasons and also he was against the wall.
3. he lay down on the concrete himself and banged his head against the concrete pavement. Unlikely given it was in busy street intersection - many witnesses.
Not every beating situation has a video or photo documentation. For instance, in domestic abuse cases, do you need to see a video of a man beating his woman in progress in order to recognize that the woman was beaten based on her injury and her account?
If the man pushed the woman against the wall forcefully enough just once to cause the back of the head to sustain a gashing open wound injury, do we then not consider that as beating? Or do we need also to see bruises on the woman's body, black eyes, split lip and what nots in order to call it beating?
Just like in cases of domestic violence where statistically men are usually the perpetrators of the violence and therefore women are assumed victims unless shown otherwise so also the documented police abuse and violence against the citizenry. NYPD cops are notorious for abuse of power.
Cops in NYC Bloody Up An 84 Year Old Man Over Jaywalking : TheSource
Mr. Kang Wong had no run-in with the law and had been a hardworking and productive citizen since he was a young man. So, on what ground are you doubting his integrity and inventing stuffs to vilify him?
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