Gallup: Share of Democrats reaches record low

[US Conservative]

You're hilarious.

1) Yes, obviously Reagan (amnesty!!!), Bush I and Bush II were soft on illegals, so was the GOP Congress from Gingrich through the Bush years.
2) It's STILL all the fault of those darned evil democrats!

Employers who hired millions of illegals, kept their wage costs down, benefits costs down, put a lid on manual labor jobs - hey, we can forget them. Sure, both parties serve their interests, but never mind....

Reagan was trying to compromise with dems. It was supposed to be a one time thing to end the issue.

Goes to show you dems can't be trusted and amnesty does not work.

Take a look at where sanctuary cities are-dem strongholds.

Take a look at who opposes them-republicans.

Take a look at who flip flops...

Following the shooting death of Kathryn Steinle in San Francisco (a sanctuary city) by an illegal alien, Hillary Clinton told CNN on 8 July 2015: "I have absolutely no support for a city that ignores the strong evidence that should be acted on."[9] The following day, her campaign stated: "Hillary Clinton believes that sanctuary cities can help further public safety, and she has defended those policies going back years."[10]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctuary_city

Democrats encourage illegals, provide tax payer funds to illegals, etc-and they do it all for politics, selling the nation down the river.

 

[MolonLabe]

Oh Kobie knows. When pushed on these matters most lefties will admit it.

The thing is many dont care. Just like they dont care about the victims of the war on poverty.

Oh I have no doubt that he knows. As usual he is being the good little blind devotee to his liberal agenda. Deny the truth. Deny the obvious. Blame everything you've done on the person or persons who had nothing to do with it. You know, the liberal way.

 

[JasperL]

Reagan was trying to compromise with dems. It was supposed to be a one time thing to end the issue.

I'm almost thinking this is intentional comedy, and it's pure gold.

Just earlier yesterday, you blamed Clinton (obviously) for a bill pushed and passed by the GOP. Now a bill passed by Dems but signed by Reagan is...... drum roll....the DEMOCRATS! fault. Of course!! It's always the democrats fault - definitional!

Democrats encourage illegals, provide tax payer funds to illegals, etc-and they do it all for politics, selling the nation down the river.

Right and what is the GOPers' excuse? They were weak on immigration not for politics but for money? Bribes? Because they're puppets of the Chamber? Or is it always the democrats' fault no matter who is in the WH or has control of Congress?

 

[MolonLabe]

I'm almost thinking this is intentional comedy, and it's pure gold.

Just earlier yesterday, you blamed Clinton (obviously) for a bill pushed and passed by the GOP. Now a bill passed by Dems but signed by Reagan is...... drum roll....the DEMOCRATS! fault. Of course!! It's always the democrats fault - definitional!



Right and what is the GOPers' excuse? They were weak on immigration not for politics but for money? Bribes? Because they're puppets of the Chamber? Or is it always the democrats' fault no matter who is in the WH or has control of Congress?

So what you're really saying is that you're ready to build the wall and have these people immigrate legally right?

 

[US Conservative]

Oh I have no doubt that he knows. As usual he is being the good little blind devotee to his liberal agenda. Deny the truth. Deny the obvious. Blame everything you've done on the person or persons who had nothing to do with it. You know, the liberal way.

Thats Kobie. Snipe with one liners or eye roll emoticons, or make a superficial argument. There isn't any meat to it.

 

[MolonLabe]

Thats Kobie. Snipe with one liners or eye roll emoticons, or make a superficial argument. There isn't any meat to it.

Yea I know his game front and back. When he can't win he just disappears from the conversation, no doubt to run to the basement where he can get his precious ego stroked by his like minded friends who also can't win a debate.

 

[Crovax]

This has to be the silliest premise. Yes voters aren't claiming a party but they aren't "independent" either as nearly all of them voted the same way in the past 2 elections. So this isn't good or bad for either party and it gives absolutely no momentum for a 3rd party to come in.

 

[US Conservative]

Yea I know his game front and back. When he can't win he just disappears from the conversation, no doubt to run to the basement where he can get his precious ego stroked by his like minded friends who also can't win a debate.

Thats pretty much what the basement is for. Leftism is a pack sport. They can't really function for long on their own.

 

[Kurmugeon]

Yea I know his game front and back. When he can't win he just disappears from the conversation, no doubt to run to the basement where he can get his precious ego stroked by his like minded friends who also can't win a debate.

So Say We All!

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[JasperL]

So what you're really saying is that you're ready to build the wall and have these people immigrate legally right?

That would be great. I'm for it.

 

[JasperL]

So what you're really saying is that you're ready to build the wall and have these people immigrate legally right?

I answered your question but I'm curious. You acknowledge the basic point I was making - yes, the GOP including Reagan and Bush I and II were weak on immigration. In fact there is no evidence in the record that Obama hasn't presided over the toughest immigration regime in decades. That is what the evidence shows - more money at the border, more troops, deportations, net population growth negative or flat.

So why are you jumping in to defend a blind partisan who only blames the evil democrats?

 

[Glen Contrarian]

Your chart refers to conservative/liberal on social issues. And in that respect, yes, people are moving toward being more willing to shed traditional social values. But much of the disputes remain on fiscal issues. I, for one, would not consider myself conservative on social issues at all, yet no one here would mistake me for a liberal.

The difference being that 80% of libertarians vote Republican anyway...meaning that we never have counted on your vote. And if you'll check the reference where I got that chart, you'll see that between 2008 and today, while there have always been significantly more fiscal conservatives than fiscal liberals, the percentage of fiscal liberals is the same today as it was in 2008, and the percentage of fiscal conservatives is one point lower today than in 2008.

So if the ratio of fiscal conservatives-to-liberals is essentially staying the same, but the ratio of social conservatives-to-liberals is consistently skewing to the liberal, that's not good news for the GOP...especially since y'all have lost five out of the last six popular votes anyway. But things are sucking for the Right more than you know. Why? Every establishment Republican knows why. If the GOP were one man, this song by Pink Floyd would be about him:

"Brain Damage"

The lunatic is on the grass
The lunatic is on the grass
Remembering games and daisy chains and laughs
Got to keep the loonies on the path
The lunatic is in the hall
The lunatics are in my hall
The paper holds their folded faces to the floor
And every day the paper boy brings more
And if the dam breaks open many years too soon
And if there is no room upon the hill
And if your head explodes with dark forbodings too
I'll see you on the dark side of the moon
The lunatic is in my head
The lunatic is in my head
You raise the blade, you make the change
You re-arrange me 'till I'm sane
You lock the door
And throw away the key
There's someone in my head but it's not me.
And if the cloud bursts, thunder in your ear
You shout and no one seems to hear
And if the band you're in starts playing different tunes
I'll see you on the dark side of the moon

"I can't think of anything to say except...
I think it's marvellous! HaHaHa!"

 

[Glen Contrarian]

Your chart only shows VERY liberal or conservative. a lot of people are somewhat conservative or somewhat liberal and overall the people who identify as conservative of somekind still outnumbers those that identify as liberal.

Read the chart again. It doesn't say only "very liberal" or "very conservative". It DOES say, "very liberal/liberal" and "very conservative/conservative". That's a bit of an editorial error because people might make the same mistake that you just made, since you didn't realize that the graph is including both liberals AND "very liberals", as compared to conservatives AND "very conservatives".

 

[EnigmaO01]

Ah so you disagree with the polling results.

Im sure you are racing to provide any evidence to the contrary.

With a statement so dumb, and the fact that no matter what evidence I provide you will pooh pooh it, why should I waste my time?

 

[yankintx]

Thats pretty much what the basement is for. Leftism is a pack sport. They can't really function for long on their own.

I don't think the left has a monopoly on loons should we list the Republicans who have had there moments lots to choose from

 

[US Conservative]

With a statement so dumb, and the fact that no matter what evidence I provide you will pooh pooh it, why should I waste my time?

You made the claim. Why would you make it without the ability to back it up?

Gallup nailed it and you just dont like the results.

 

[Fearandloathing]

It's really a mystery why you have tunnel vision on this and don't see or won't acknowledge that the Chamber of Commerce boys and employers of all kinds are the people actually driving this train, and they have a lot of friends in the GOP who have simply done their bidding on this. Democrats, too, obviously, I'm just amazed you don't see the rare bipartisanship over decades on this issue.

Chamber of Commerce?

OK, if it's tunnel vision than 80% of the world has it.

Here's the truth. From Debby Wasserman-Schultz's own lips: 'Illegal immigrants are the backbone of our economy'


I will start paying serious attention to your posts should one day you actually post something more than your own stale opinion.

In the end, I asked "if its a myth..." and you simply gave me more myth.

 

[akrunner88]

All this tells me is that Americans on both sides of the isle are becoming dissatisfied with the two party system, and that can only be a great thing. I welcome this news.

Establishment politics have their place in a functioning government as far as compromise goes, but it keeps people too content with "business as usual." There's actually a lot of disaffected voters on the liberal and conservative spectrum that have ideas that match each other, which is why a lot of liberals like outsiders like Rand and Ron Paul.

With the internet and social networking/media making organizing much easier to do than in the past, I foresee a day when more independent and third party candidates make their array into our political system on both sides. I think the issue of money and its influence in the political system is really starting to jade many Americans and the D and R's will have to deal with that.

 

[Fearandloathing]

All this tells me is that Americans on both sides of the isle are becoming dissatisfied with the two party system, and that can only be a great thing. I welcome this news.

Establishment politics have their place in a functioning government as far as compromise goes, but it keeps people too content with "business as usual." There's actually a lot of disaffected voters on the liberal and conservative spectrum that have ideas that match each other, which is why a lot of liberals like outsiders like Rand and Ron Paul.

With the internet and social networking/media making organizing much easier to do than in the past, I foresee a day when more independent and third party candidates make their array into our political system on both sides. I think the issue of money and its influence in the political system is really starting to jade many Americans and the D and R's will have to deal with that.

One change...."Increasingly dissatisfied"

Once again, another explanation for Trump's success. He has blown away the talking point rhetoric and gone street. I have said since he announced that he will resonate with left and right on a rising bed of dissatisfaction with the two parties in power.

I am surprised a lot more aren't. When I left the country many of these issues were on the table then.

I wonder though wqhat he has to say about campaign finance? That's where the real change is needed

 

[akrunner88]

One change...."Increasingly dissatisfied"

Once again, another explanation for Trump's success. He has blown away the talking point rhetoric and gone street. I have said since he announced that he will resonate with left and right on a rising bed of dissatisfaction with the two parties in power.

I am surprised a lot more aren't. When I left the country many of these issues were on the table then.

I wonder though wqhat he has to say about campaign finance? That's where the real change is needed

When a political system like the one we have in the U.S. has been in play for so long, it's hard to deviate from that in any meaningful way.

That was before the Internet and social media revolution, which I think is a game changer. You have a younger millennial generation that is having trouble entering the job market the same way their parents did, but with astronomical student debt. Rising housing and renting costs eating away larger portions of people's monthly income. Lots of issues that will cause people to look at the parties negatively and lots of outsiders like Sanders, Trump, the Paul's, etc with ideas that differ from the establishment norm. It's only a matter of time before both parties will have to start answering to their constituents again and that day of reckoning may even play out this election cycle on the national level.

 

[JasperL]

Chamber of Commerce?

OK, if it's tunnel vision than 80% of the world has it.

Here's the truth. From Debby Wasserman-Schultz's own lips: 'Illegal immigrants are the backbone of our economy'

I will start paying serious attention to your posts should one day you actually post something more than your own stale opinion.

In the end, I asked "if its a myth..." and you simply gave me more myth.

You asked me to back up a series of questions in another thread, and you ignored the response. So I'm not sure why I should bother to do it again, but I will....

First of all, if you've paid attention at all, you know two things without any doubt. First is the employer community loves immigration, legal or illegal makes no difference. They'd rather it be legal because of the hassle factor, but it's a win for them because it expands the labor pool, eliminates shortages in hard to fill manual labor jobs and keeps a lid on wages. There is no downside for an employer, which is why millions of illegals are hired every year, and with at best a wink and a not.

Second, the Chamber in recent years has almost exclusively supported the GOP, and that support comes at the price of the establishment GOPers doing their bidding on important issues, and immigration is a big one. So why those comments need any verification is a mystery, but here goes.

https://www.uschamber.com/immigration-myths-and-facts-0

Same general idea, but in Q&A format: Debunking Immigration Myths - Part I | Free Enterprise

Here's another article with quotes from the pres. of the Chamber and the National Association of Manufacturers issuing a so-called "ultimatum" for the GOP to get behind immigration reform.

Chamber gives ultimatum to GOP - POLITICO

Now let's review who the Chamber gives money to. https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=D000019798

Independent Expenditures: $35,464,243
For Democrats: $0
Against Democrats: $1,412,500
For Republicans: $11,603,968
Against Republicans: $1,000,000

So, $0.00 trying to elect democrats....

Anything else you'd like to have backed up?

BTW, it's a little funny that you're whining about me providing only my opinion while you provide nothing but....your opinion.

 

[poweRob]

The share of Americans identifying as Democrats dropped to a record low in 2015, according to the latest Gallup results published Monday, in the latest indication that Americans’ attachment to either political party is at or nearing historical lows.

Overall, 42 percent over the course of the past year identified as independents, a slight drop from the 43 percent who identified as such in 2014. While Democrats maintained a small advantage over Republicans — 29 percent to 26 percent — the Democratic share is at its lowest in Gallup history.

Read more: Gallup: Share of Democrats reaches record low - POLITICO

I think perhaps nearly 8 years of Obama has run the name democrat into the mud. But in any case, it might be bad for establishment democrats like Hillary.

I'm rather comfortable with the fact that when you laugh and point at Democrats from your Republican seat you have to look upwards to do so.

 

[MolonLabe]

So Say We All!

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So Say We All!!

 

[Moot]

If you look at the actual Gallup results (I've included below) both Republicans and Democrats are seeing record lows in party affiliations. I have posted a similar graphic before (also included) to surprisingly little response. Republicans are only a point away from historic lows and trending downward, have been for a very measurable time now. Democrats just got there, and they should see the same fate.

Mainly because this is the result of hyper-partisan division oriented politics, an increasing number give the middle finger to them both. Confirms what so many already know, both parties suck. The ironic part, the OP forgot the other half of the problem.



With any good luck, a 3rd party will capitalize... at some point. View attachment 67195548

Democratic, Republican Identification Near Historical Lows

Organizing Independents into a third party would be like herding cats.

 

[US Conservative]

I'm rather comfortable with the fact that when you laugh and point at Democrats from your Republican seat you have to look upwards to do so.

It pains me to be the bearer of bad news. :2wave:

Im a conservative and have been a registered Independent from age 18.

Your map is not the territory. :shock: