FilmFestGuy
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I don't think that privately funded homeless shelters are the same as nursing facilities. However, when that person was removed what was his reaction? Did he want to stay? Why is it up to you to right the wrong of someone else that is capable of speaking for themselves?
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Plus, didn't Christ have a Sermon on the Mount?
What is accomplished by having someone lead it, out loud, that would not be accomplished by praying silently on an individual basis?This particular prayer is strictly for the people of the old people home.
Do you have a point, aside from the one under your hat?
What is accomplished by having someone lead it, out loud, that would not be accomplished by praying silently on an individual basis?
Interesting. So no one was stopping them from praying before, and no one is stopping them from praying now. The only difference is that now, everyone else is forced to sit there and listen to their babbling.
I do have to wonder if they'd be so willing to fight for my "right to group prayer" if I wanted to have a group satanic prayer and made everyone else sit there and listen to it.
I thought liberals were happy that the federal government provides for those in need ???
I guess you've never been the person sitting there uncomfortably while other people assume you are one of the group and subject you to a religious service you didn't sign up for. I lived in Utah as a Southern Baptist, and experienced it all the time, which is what largely influenced my views on the subject.
A few thoughts:
First, public prayers for the sake of being public about them are expressly forbidden, BY CHRIST, in the New Testament.
Second, what is the goal of such conduct, if it is not rewarded by God? Generally speaking, it is done because the believers are so inconsiderate that they feel they must subject other people to their practices.
Third, what does such behavior do for the cause of Christ? Be specific. What is this sort of public prayer designed to accomplish, in your opinion? I'd really like to know.
No one cares about your interpretation of the Bible. The cogent argument concerns the legality and Constitutionality of a group prayer being held during a Federally-funded meal for seniors. Since the First Amendment only forbids "laws respecting an establishment of religion", we can safely assume that no such violation has occurred, and that rabid anti-religionists like yourself are getting bent out of shape for nothing.
It's necessary for someone to publicly object for a practice to be unconstitutional? Your reasoning is flawed, padawan.
You don't know catz very well if you think she is anti-religious. She has more spirituality in her buns then you do in your pud.
Her anti-religious nature has been made manifestly obvious by her incessant desire to demonize these old people for wanting to have a public prayer prior to their meal.
As for having more spirituality than me, I don't doubt that at all, as I am mostly an intellectual person; I like cold, hard empiricism, facts and physical phenomena.
I am saying they are not following these teachings:
6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
So they are clamoring for private prayer, now, are they?
Twice, now.
Would you do me a solid and venture into the European section and tell the other leftists that I am part of their unthinking mob?
They might not disavow me if you put in the right kind of word.
Her anti-religious nature has been made manifestly obvious by her incessant desire to demonize these old people for wanting to have a public prayer prior to their meal.
As for having more spirituality than me, I don't doubt that at all, as I am mostly an intellectual person; I like cold, hard empiricism, facts and physical phenomena.
The whole public prayer thing really is obnoxious. I'm not suggesting they should not be able to do it or anything, but it's odd why so many people feel the need for validation of their faith. As if it's only the way, the truth and the light if others agree.
Not once in my life has a Jew or a Gay knocked on my door to convince me to live their "lifestyle". .
a government-imposed ban on public prayer during their meals.
Well, if you do, be advised -- their literature is VERY different from one another.
I believe congressional houses have chaplains....but I am all for prayer there, in the off chance that one of them might be influenced by the prayer and remember to represent the people and not the lobbiests...
Being Catholic I might be able to add a little perspective, not knowing the religious breakdown I'll stab in the dark here.On the one hand I think it goes little too far, but on the other I don't understand why they needs to be led in a prayer in the first place. If someone wants to pray before they eat they should just do it.
Huh? I don't hate atheists.What about religious tolerance towards atheists? Why do religious people hate atheists? If they hate them then they should be glad that atheists are going to hell, right?
Respecting Nonreligious People | Teaching Tolerance Just imagine.
Huh? I don't hate atheists.I don't respect atheists in certain groups that decide to attack other people's intelligence for believing, but there are plenty of athiests I respect in fact some of them are here on this site.
What about religious tolerance towards atheists? Why do religious people hate atheists? If they hate them then they should be glad that atheists are going to hell, right?
Respecting Nonreligious People | Teaching Tolerance Just imagine.
To be honest, there are intolerant people on all sides, of all views.
It's these people who draw the ire of those who hold the views that are receiving intolerance. Unfortunately, there is often over-generalization from some on the receiving end of these injustices, which leads to more intolerance (from them this time) and the cycle continues on and on and on.
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