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As crippling as yours. :roll:
So tell me, from your vast legal experience, how does something become unconstitutional. What process has to be followed?
now there is a civil standard to apply
if the elderly are intimidated enough not to object then the evangelists should be able to continue to feed their religious propaganda to this crowd
Like I said, it doesn't really matter to me which interpretation is the "correct" one. I'm an agnostic, but, unlike the unthinking leftist mob, I don't feel obligated to attack religiosity at every opportunity.
I have no outrage for anyone, feigned or otherwise. You asked who was forced to sit there, and I told you: Everyone who wanted to eat.Nonsense! You can't come up with anyone who objected other than the lib that raised a stink in the service company that delivers the food, so you ascribe this feigned outrage to every resident? sorry, that is weak.
Is this seriously your "debate" tactic? Just makin' **** up and telling your opponent that's how they feel?Ah BS! You just don't like organized religion so you feel that it should be destroyed period.
Why would I be offended?sure you do....I will pray for you right now, and my bet is that you will be offended....And I am not even anywhere near you.
I never said I objected to the federal government subsidizing their food. Where did you get that idea from??
Do you believe that people on medicare in a hospital should be denied a priest ?? What about a dying veteran in a VA hospital?? Should preachers be banned from VA hospitals ???
Look at you, idealistically thinking that Christians actually pay attention to the Bible when it conflicts with their desire to impose their beliefs on other people and show how holy they are. I find it rather sweet, actually.
Here's where it gets tough, so I'll explain it for you.
In a VA hospital, a dying patient has the OPTION to ask for a priest or preacher. One is not FORCED to pray over him. A Muslim solider can ask for an Imam and a Jewish solider can ask for a Rabbi. An agnostic soldier can ask for his best friend, his wife, or his mom, or for the Mother Earth to say something nice for him.
OPTIONS. A center-led group prayer isn't an OPTION. That's a forced prayer.
A moment of silence or bowed heads or whatever gives everyone the option to do as they wish before their government supported meal.
NO ONE was forced NOT to pray. To say so is an out and out lie.
I AM very sweet.
My dog keeps licking me, anyway.
This could be fun. Okay, what am I feeling... Now!?
Unless freedom FROM religion exists on an EQUAL footing, there is NO freedom OF religion .
You can't have it both ways.
Unless freedom FROM religion exists on an EQUAL footing, there is NO freedom OF religion .
You can't have it both ways.
that is nonsense, pure and simple. Where are you forced to participate in religion that you don't wish to?
j-mac
At a Sr. Citizens center in GA. if one decides to have dinner there.
So you have no objection to the federal government paying for a priest then ??? What about when Obama says "God Bless America" at the end of a speech?? Is he forcing everyone listening to hear his brief "prayer"? What about when Congress opens a session with a prayer?? Should that be illegal??
The people in the home do have the option to hear or participate in the prayer. If they are so offended, as many on here think, they simply should wait until after the prayer is finished before coming into the dining hall. Is that too much an imposition ???
I guess you've never been the person sitting there uncomfortably while other people assume you are one of the group and subject you to a religious service you didn't sign up for. I lived in Utah as a Southern Baptist, and experienced it all the time, which is what largely influenced my views on the subject.
A few thoughts:
First, public prayers for the sake of being public about them are expressly forbidden, BY CHRIST, in the New Testament.
Second, what is the goal of such conduct, if it is not rewarded by God? Generally speaking, it is done because the believers are so inconsiderate that they feel they must subject other people to their practices.
Third, what does such behavior do for the cause of Christ? Be specific. What is this sort of public prayer designed to accomplish, in your opinion? I'd really like to know.
Not true, is it possible that any person wishing to receive their dinner and come in after the prayer is told that they can't do so? If so, show me where.
j-mac
Not saying that happens at this particular center, but when I worked in Indianapolis, I worked with a Jewish man who was removed from the Wheeler Mission (one of very few homeless shelters in downtown) because he asked not to pray to Jesus.
Now, Wheeler was completely privately funded, so as much as I hated it, it's their right. But if they'd received federal funds, I would've turned them in right away.
At a Sr. Citizens center in GA. if one decides to have dinner there.
because they hold a gun to your head and force you to pray?
though not religious, i've grown up around mormons, whenever they'd pray before a meal, i'd just bow my head and shut up, simple as that, if you want people to show respect of the fact that you don't believe in god, show them respect for their beliefs too.
that is nonsense, pure and simple. Where are you forced to participate in religion that you don't wish to?
j-mac
They're prohibiting them from praying aloud and in unison, hence, it is a prohibition on the free exercise of religion.
Why should they HAVE to remain silent? Why can the Federal government forbid them from praying aloud and in unison before their meal?
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