Fully Vaccinated May Transmit Delta Just As Easily—And New Variant Shows Signs Of Vaccine Evasion

[W_Heisenberg]

And less than 1% ever die from Covid. But how does the business owner asking for a passport NOT know if we (unvaccinated/ vaccinated) have Covid?

The business owner knows a customer is far less likely to be infected with Covid if he is vaccinated.

The business owner does not need perfect information to make this decision.

The reason is this is about protecting as many customers as possible over a long period of time, not preventing each and every potentially transmissible event from happening.

 

[VySky]

This isn't true. Why do you keep saying this?

Infections happen in only a small proportion of people who are fully vaccinated, even with the Delta variant. However, preliminary evidence suggests that fully vaccinated people who do become infected with the Delta variant can spread the virus to others.

COVID-19 Vaccination

COVID-19 vaccines protect against COVID-19. Get safety info and more.

www.cdc.gov

Fully vaccinated people with Delta variant breakthrough infections can spread the virus to others. However, vaccinated people appear to be infectious for a shorter period: Previous variants typically produced less virus in the body of infected fully vaccinated people (breakthrough infections) than in unvaccinated people. In contrast, the Delta variant seems to produce the same high amount of virus in both unvaccinated and fully vaccinated people. However, like other variants, the amount of virus produced by Delta breakthrough infections in fully vaccinated people also goes down faster than infections in unvaccinated people. This means fully vaccinated people are likely infectious for less time than unvaccinated people.

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

CDC provides credible COVID-19 health information to the U.S.

www.cdc.gov

Providing a Covid passport does not mean you don’t have Covid. Same is true for unvaccinated. Doesn’t mean they do. So what exactly is being validated?

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Well, the OP begs to differ.

The title of OP's article isn't clear. Simply being exposed to the virus, if you're vaccinated, doesn't mean you will be infected.

This is the truth:


"Infections happen in only a small proportion of people who are fully vaccinated, even with the Delta variant. However, preliminary evidence suggests that fully vaccinated people who do become infected with the Delta variant can spread the virus to others."

COVID-19 Vaccination

COVID-19 vaccines protect against COVID-19. Get safety info and more.

www.cdc.gov

"Fully vaccinated people with Delta variant breakthrough infections can spread the virus to others. However, vaccinated people appear to be infectious for a shorter period: Previous variants typically produced less virus in the body of infected fully vaccinated people (breakthrough infections) than in unvaccinated people. In contrast, the Delta variant seems to produce the same high amount of virus in both unvaccinated and fully vaccinated people. However, like other variants, the amount of virus produced by Delta breakthrough infections in fully vaccinated people also goes down faster than infections in unvaccinated people. This means fully vaccinated people are likely infectious for less time than unvaccinated people."

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

CDC provides credible COVID-19 health information to the U.S.

www.cdc.gov

 

[W_Heisenberg]

The article said that there is some evidence that vaccinated people who get infected may spread the virus about the same as infected people who didn't get the virus.

That's not the same thing. Especially when it's also true that you are much less likely to get infected if you've been vaccinated.

This is correct.

 

[Geoist]

Fully Vaccinated May Transmit Delta Just As Easily—And New Variant Shows Signs Of Vaccine Evasion—Early U.K. Research Suggests

Public Health England found early evidence fully vaccinated people may be able to spread the delta variant as easily as the unvaccinated.

www.forbes.com

Unsure what to say here. But this doesn't really get my hopes up.

It's even more reason to get vaxxed if you aren't already.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

And yet....you lose your mind over the unvaccinated, almost as if you are being told to lose your mind over the unvaccinated as your leaders create classes of people for you to rally against and spew venom and hatred.

It's okay to hold selfish people to account for refusing to get vaccinated.

If you don't want people to think you're an asshole then don't do things that make you look like an asshole.

"Infections happen in only a small proportion of people who are fully vaccinated, even with the Delta variant. However, preliminary evidence suggests that fully vaccinated people who do become infected with the Delta variant can spread the virus to others."

COVID-19 Vaccination

COVID-19 vaccines protect against COVID-19. Get safety info and more.

www.cdc.gov

"Fully vaccinated people with Delta variant breakthrough infections can spread the virus to others. However, vaccinated people appear to be infectious for a shorter period: Previous variants typically produced less virus in the body of infected fully vaccinated people (breakthrough infections) than in unvaccinated people. In contrast, the Delta variant seems to produce the same high amount of virus in both unvaccinated and fully vaccinated people. However, like other variants, the amount of virus produced by Delta breakthrough infections in fully vaccinated people also goes down faster than infections in unvaccinated people. This means fully vaccinated people are likely infectious for less time than unvaccinated people."

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

CDC provides credible COVID-19 health information to the U.S.

www.cdc.gov

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Did the illegals coming through the southern border get the vaccine?

The relatively few illegal immigrants sneaking past border patrol are insignificant compared to the 60 million-plus U.S. adult population who have not been vaccinated thus far.

But do what Trumpers and Republicans do best, blame illegal immigrants for all our problems. That's the only trick you guys have.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

You and people like you have been roiling in hatred and spitting venom since the moment he came down the escalator and challenged Hilary,

It's okay to hate bad people. It's perfectly normal. And even Trumpers must admit Trump is a bad person who does bad things.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Unfortunately, we have necessarily been reactive to viral mutations, and thus we're always behind the curve on their emergence. There is hope that science may develop a pre-emptive position on viral mutation.

As SARS-CoV-2 Mutates, AI Algorithms Try to Keep Pace

Machine learning model meant for understanding language searches for coronavirus strains that could evade the vaccine

spectrum.ieee.org

This is a good idea. The one big hangup is the testing phase. Hard to get around that.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Providing a Covid passport does not mean you don’t have Covid. Same is true for unvaccinated. Doesn’t mean they do. So what exactly is being validated?

What you are demanding, essentially, is perfection. You want perfect validation. But we don't need perfect validation. We don't need to know for certain whether someone has Covid-19 in every single instance. We only need to know what's very likely or not. And it's very likely if someone is vaccinated that they don't have a Covid-19 infection.

You have this idea that something must be 100% perfect or it's crap. Most Trump supporters and most Authoritarians exhibit this all-or-nothing, binary, yes or no thinking. But the real world doesn't operate like that. And we don't have to respond to the real world like that.

It's kind of like saying cops can't catch all criminals so what's the point of having police. But you wouldn't suggest getting rid of the police, would you?

I think part of the problem is you don't view vaccinations or vaccine passports within the framework of public health, but only within the framework of the inconvenience or irritation it causes you.

 

[ClaraD]

And yet....you lose your mind over the unvaccinated, almost as if you are being told to lose your mind over the unvaccinated as your leaders create classes of people for you to rally against and spew venom and hatred.

the unvaccinated are dropping dead from it...the vaccinated are not dropping dead.

 

[Mach]

And yet....you lose your mind over the unvaccinated, almost as if you are being told to lose your mind over the unvaccinated

Unvaccinated are a huge problem, he's right, and this doesn't change that.

spew venom and hatred.

Coming from VanceMack? It's a joke right?

 

[VySky]

What you are demanding, essentially, is perfection. You want perfect validation. But we don't need perfect validation. We don't need to know for certain whether someone has Covid-19 in every single instance. We only need to know what's very likely or not. And it's very likely if someone is vaccinated that they don't have a Covid-19 infection.

You have this idea that something must be 100% perfect or it's crap. Most Trump supporters and most Authoritarians exhibit this all-or-nothing, binary, yes or no thinking. But the real world doesn't operate like that. And we don't have to respond to the real world like that.

It's kind of like saying cops can't catch all criminals so what's the point of having police. But you wouldn't suggest getting rid of the police, would you?

I think part of the problem is you don't view vaccinations or vaccine passports within the framework of public health, but only within the framework of the inconvenience or irritation it causes you.

I lack confidence in the Covid response team’s assessments. I as well enjoy odds in my favor. Like the excellent odds of not dying from Covid in the first place.

 

[Acadia]

Countries have a right to protect themselves.

Yes, they do!!
Especially when a country such as the USA faces covid-positive rates approaching 20% for migrants entering our borders illegally, coming from Lambda hotspots.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Yes, they do!!
Especially when a country such as the USA faces covid-positive rates approaching 20% for migrants entering our borders illegally, coming from Lambda hotspots.

Illegal immigrants shouldn't be allowed into the country.

Illegal immigrants who haven't been vaccinated definitely shouldn't be allowed into the country.

However, approximately 60 million US adults all over the country have not been vaccinated. They are the big risk here, not the relatively minuscule number of illegal immigrants who slip past border patrol.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

I lack confidence in the Covid response team’s assessments. I as well enjoy odds in my favor. Like the excellent odds of not dying from Covid in the first place.

Okay, I get it. You weren't ever going to support the idea of vaccine passports no matter what the data says. You could have just said that, to begin with, rather than pretending there was some data-based reasoning for your stance on this issue.

 

[Ethel2]

CDC director disagrees with you.

Yeah, well, I posted the reason that the PTown paper is flawed multiple times here; I posted a study that HAS been peer reviewed and published (the PT paper hasn’t been peer reviewed or published nor will it ever be); and I posted an analysis from Dr Ghandi, Chief of ID and Epidemiology at UCSF indicating why the conclusion is illogical. The CDC needed some sort of data to require vaccinated people to mask up indoors to protect the covidiots (yes, vaccinated people can spread the virus but not as much as unvaccinated covidiots) and that’s all they could find.
Personally if I can get away without wearing a mask indoors I will. I am protected; other vaccinated people are protected; and I don’t care what happens to the covidiots.

 

[Craig234]

The racists are confused what to say because the two groups that stand out for resisting the vaccine seem to be black Americans and trump supporters.

 

[Ethel2]

Non vaccinated less than 1% die.

Thats your guess?
If you know that figure then you must also know the exact number of cases (the denominator) and the exact number of deaths (the numerator) due to Covid.

Perhaps you could share them with us.

 

[BCD80]

It´s the mass vaccination that force more vaxx resistant mutations to become competitive of course.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Why stop there?

Why not, for the "safety, health, and security" of the nation, set up "rehabilitation camps" where they can either be treated, or allowed to "expire" in their own sick?

Perhaps you agree (like many people shown in the video) with the petition to arrest everyone who refuses to vaccinate and keep them in jail until they agree?



Worked for every socialist autocracy that has ever existed. Soviet Russia, Nazi Germany, Pol Pot's Cambodia, Ayatollah's Iran, currently in China....

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Did the illegals coming through the southern border get the vaccine?

The vaccines are available TO EVERYONE regardless of their immigration status.

"Please make a note of it."

The only issue is, until the FDA gives full approval, it cannot be a requirement and thus they are indeed encountering a ratio of anti-vaxx resistance in that population that approximates the anti-vaxx population in the USA among citizens and legal residents.
Once full FDA appro drops, Immigration will be able to demand persons in their custody take the shot.
Hope that helps.
Please make a note of it.

 

[VanceMack]

Unvaccinated are a huge problem, he's right, and this doesn't change that.

Coming from VanceMack? It's a joke right?

I'm an asshole to assholes...no doubt. If you have had your poor little feelerz hurt, then you should probably check the exchange. But more likely you just do here what you do everywhere...regurgitate shit other people say without foundation.

And for all the shit people like you talk about "the unvaccinated', the only time the vast majority of you ever manage to find your voice is when you express your impotent poutrage over conservatives that have questions about the vaccine. Even though black Americans and Hispanics have the highest refusal rates you ignore them and shit yourself on demand like a good little leftist voter over conservatives...republicans...TTTTTRRRRRRRRUUUUUUUMMMMMMPPPPPPPP!!!!!!!

 

[CaughtInThe]

It's okay to hold selfish people to account for refusing to get vaccinated.

If you don't want people to think you're an asshole then don't do things that make you look like an asshole.

yup

 

[Threegoofs]

I'm an asshole to assholes...no doubt. If you have had your poor little feelerz hurt, then you should probably check the exchange. But more likely you just do here what you do everywhere...regurgitate shit other people say without foundation.

And for all the shit people like you talk about "the unvaccinated', the only time the vast majority of you ever manage to find your voice is when you express your impotent poutrage over conservatives that have questions about the vaccine. Even though black Americans and Hispanics have the highest refusal rates you ignore them and shit yourself on demand like a good little leftist voter over conservatives...republicans...TTTTTRRRRRRRRUUUUUUUMMMMMMPPPPPPPP!!!!!!!

I think you’re confused about what groups have high unvaccinated rates.

I mean, just look at the red state/blue state effect. What a correlation!


While there’s definitely a big chunk of minorities, especially poor, uneducated minorities, that are not vaccinated, the vast bulk of unvaccinated are white and a whole lot of those identify as GOP.