Freedom or Security

[StillBallin75]

Freedom = absence of Antifa, Joseph Rosenbaum, Skateboard Huber, Jump Kick man.

Without them the citizens of Kenosha can fully exercise their rights

Freedom is a state where a portion of the country doesn't ****ing reflexively worship the goddamn police every time someone attempts to hold them accountable.

The entirety of the "blue lives matter" movement is inherently anti-freedom because it is precisely about refusing to hold systemic oppression and abuses of power to account.

 

[Mycroft]

Freedom he says

Peaceful Protesters Tear-Gassed To Clear Way For Trump Church Photo-Op

After U.S. Park Police and National Guard troops pushed demonstrators out of Lafayette Park, President Trump walked from the White House to St. John's Church where he posed for pictures with a Bible.

www.npr.org

Tear gassing peaceful protesters.

They weren't peaceful.

A bunch of "law and order" BS.

So...calling for rioters to be arrested is "law and order BS"?

Threatening to abridge the rights of the press for calling him out on his bullshit.

He never did that.

"Muslim Ban"

There was no "Muslim Ban". Just restrictions on countries that didn't properly vet travelers.

(That's part of that "security" thing.)

Detaining immigrants in filthy conditions and separating their families.

He was bound by liberal judges.

Blame them.

Shameless in his support for Israel in their quest to continually oppress Palestinians.

Wait...you mean the Israel that is constantly attacked by the Palestinians?

More of that "security" thing.

Failure to hold Saudi Arabia accountable for the death of Jamal Khashoggi, then helping the Saudis continually bomb Yemen.

More of that security thing.

You seem to be displaying a pattern here.

Kowtowing and worshipping other autocrats and wanting to hold useless military parades cause he saw one in France.

I have no ****ing idea what you are talking about.

You must have read some dumbass Trump hating website and believe their spin and lies.

~personal attack snipped~ (consider yourself lucky this time)

 

[Overitall]

likely isn't one without the other, so......

Freedom can lead to security. I don't see the opposite being true.

 

[d0gbreath]

Without security you're free to be killed.

 

[Queen Margo]

Without security you're free to be killed.

Even with security you're free to be killed.

 

[LouC]

Even with security you're free to be killed.

But without any security you are much freer to be freely killed.

 

[Queen Margo]

But without any security you are much freer to be freely killed.

OK, but what if the security that has me secured wants to kill me? I want the freedom to run!

 

[TheParser]

Security, of course.

To walk down the street safely and to take public transportation safely and to live in a neighborhood safely and to work in a store safely.

Things used to be much safer in this country.

 

[Luce]

They are inseparable.

 

[Luce]

Security, of course.

To walk down the street safely and to take public transportation safely and to live in a neighborhood safely and to work in a store safely.

Things used to be much safer in this country.

I can see where this is going.

 

[KevinKohler]

Bullshit poll.

Freedom and security are not diametrically opposed.