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Free speech argument ensues after NH refused put this on a license plate

Bet he gets a lot of tickets. Lying cops always saying he is speeding.
 
I have a good friend named Marke McCracken. In the late 80's he had a plate that was his Navy callsign : "Crack" He finally had to get rid of it because he was pulled over constantly for every tiny infraction.

Oddly enough, he got out of the name and is now CHP.
 
I don't go with anything whatsoever he might want but I see no problem with the plate.
 
The Police are legally allowed to lie.
That is no secret.
So saying so isn't a stretch.

But as the plate actually belongs to the State ...
 
You have the right to free speech, you do not have the right to force anyone to publish your speech.
 
Excon said:
The Police are legally allowed to lie.
That is no secret.
So saying so isn't a stretch.

But as the plate actually belongs to the State ...
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I'd like to see the support for that "legally allowed to lie" bit
Please enlighten me ....
 
Menard_K said:
I'd like to see the support for that "legally allowed to lie" bit
Please enlighten me ....
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What do you think an undercover operation is?

Police lie all the time. They lie in interrogations. They lie in sting operations. They lie in hostage situations.

The only place they're not allowed to lie is in court. Your mileage may vary as to how far you believe that.
 
Sounds like a dumb idea, legal or not.
I once saw a bumper sticker that said, "Bad cop! No donut!"
Dumb idea.
 
Menard_K said:
I'd like to see the support for that "legally allowed to lie" bit
Please enlighten me ....
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I am surprised someone doesn't know they are allowed to lie.
 
I wonder who is head of the "tastefulness" department and how that person is selected?
 
I would think the case would turn on whether anyone else was allowed "political" statement personalized license plates.
 
Grand Mal said:
Sounds like a dumb idea, legal or not.
I once saw a bumper sticker that said, "Bad cop! No donut!"
Dumb idea.
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You mean like the sticker that read: "I don't have a drinking problem. Get drunk. Fall down. No problem."

The worse one in my opinion were all those that had the red circle with a slash across it and pictures of liquor or the word "alcohol." I'd think that'd actually shout "alcoholic at the wheel!"

I get a kick out of all those people who get a sticker for donating $25 to a police association and put that sticker on the driver's side of the rear window - thinking that will help avoid getting a ticket. Why they think that? :confused:

In smaller communities, it can be a good idea to have some sticker that says you are a local, particularly if a touristy small city. Like a school sticker or something else that says "local." In touristy towns being "one of us" matters more.

All but 2 of our vanity/personalized plates have some variation of my wife's name. She's 4th generation here and very well known and popular, including with the police. She/we want area police to know it's her car (as she goes blasting past). It's almost like a joke. The way to know if it's her or not is whether or not radar shows over or under 20 the speed limit. BUT she drives like an old woman going to church if in town, around people or children are in the car.Open remote road is another matter.
 
well, there's a great idea. lets piss off the cops! while driving.
 
lawboy said:
Menard_K said:
I'd like to see the support for that "legally allowed to lie" bit
Please enlighten me ....
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Here is a case I have in my notes;

Held: the facts of this case present no violation of the Fourth Amendment.

(a) The Government's use of decoy's and undercover agents is not per se unlawful. Pp. 385 U. S. 208-209.


Lewis v. United States - 385 U.S. 206 (1966) :: Justia US Supreme Court Center
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The following article is informative.


What can the police lie about while conducting an interrogation?
February 3, 2009
[...]

The leading case on police trickery and deceit is Frazier v. Cupp.

FindLaw | FRAZIER v. CUPP, 394 U.S. 731 (1969)

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The Straight Dope: What can the police lie about while conducting an interrogation?​
 
His tax dollars fund the dmv. He deserves the plate he wants within reason. I don't think its unreasonable.
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
License plates are government-issued identification. You don't have a free speech right to use the government as your platform.
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I agree and disagree here oddly enough. The government is supposed to uphold free speech, but at the same time the plate is property of government so they get to dictate what can and cannot be displayed. IMO a government that doesn't allow for a slap against it is petty and intrusive, yet they do have the right to say no.

I was initially thinking this was a private "cause" plate, Louisiana has an issue with too many of those, it seems like almost every cause has a different vanity plate allowed by law here which is excessive, expensive, and ridiculous.
 
We own the government. We the people. This plate should have been made and displayed. The government is our employee and has no right to say no unless the action would cause a danger to others.
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
License plates are government-issued identification. You don't have a free speech right to use the government as your platform.
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The passport is a government-issued identification. Should I be able to change my name to Fedsar Ekunts, for example?
 
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