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Free speech and ALL speech needs to be allowed on Twitter, does that mean you believe that should included targeted hate speech against Jews?

Is hate speech against Jews free speech? Should this be allowed on Twitter?

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Spunkylama said:
Shaun King
@shaunking

Ask ANY conservative this question and watch them STRUGGLE to answer it. Since you say free speech and ALL speech needs to be allowed on Twitter, does that mean you believe that should included targeted hate speech against Jews? Should that be allowed? Be specific and clear.
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Why would you only pick Jewish people? BTW, Shaun King is a fraud.
 
Crunchtime said:
Why would you only pick Jewish people? BTW, Shaun King is a fraud.
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It was an example. I didn't know who that person was until yesterday.
 
Spunkylama said:
Shaun King
@shaunking

Ask ANY conservative this question and watch them STRUGGLE to answer it. Since you say free speech and ALL speech needs to be allowed on Twitter, does that mean you believe that should included targeted hate speech against Jews? Should that be allowed? Be specific and clear.
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Absolutely hate speech against Jews should be allowed. Just like hate speech against anyone else should be allowed. What shouldn't be allowed is threats of violence.
 
Spunkylama said:
Shaun King
@shaunking

Ask ANY conservative this question and watch them STRUGGLE to answer it. Since you say free speech and ALL speech needs to be allowed on Twitter, does that mean you believe that should included targeted hate speech against Jews? Should that be allowed? Be specific and clear.
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Funny how Shaun King deleted his Twitter account but can’t get it out of his guts. As long as it censored Conservative voices he loved it. Typical of progressive ideology today. Fail. Here comes the South Afrikan to blow it all up. Or?
 
Josie said:
Any leftie on The View, Keith Olbermann, anyone who thinks they're entitled to stealing thousands of dollars worth of merchandise because of "social justice", anyone who throws Molotov cocktails at the police, anyone who participates in riots, anyone who wants a complete ban of all firearms, anyone who wants to replace the police with social workers, anyone who thinks Bush blew up the Twin Towers on 9/11, anyone who thinks that conservatives should be shouted down or threatened because they disagree with what they're saying ............ I could go on.
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None of the above raises my hackles, although I actually do enjoy watching Keith Olbermann from time to time.
I've never regarded The View as anything other than a mildly annoying daytime talk show, so I'll raise your View with a "Fox News The Five" and then we're even. I enjoyed The View when they had Elton John and Leon Russell on the show, because I knew Leon and I know his family.

The rest, we're on the same page, apparently.
I don't want people throwing Molotovs at the cops or looting, I am an armed Democrat so I am not in favor of banning all guns, besides which, the idea is impossible anyway...
And as I remember, the whole "Bush Did 9/11" thing started with Alex Jones.
Truthfully, I don't think I even know any lefties who are entirely convinced that "Bush did 9/11" anyway.
The closest I can come is my own theory which is too much for this reply other than to say that Bush did not actually believe anyone
would have the nerve to try, and then found himself in the unenviable position of being proven dead wrong.
Bush's problem with 9/11 wasn't being guilty of committing a crime, it was his hubris...which the Saudis were counting on.

As regards "conservatives being shouted down", I'm afraid you guys don't have the moral capital you think you have on that one.
We should not be shouting and screaming past each other anyway.
 
Mycroft said:
All speech is free speech...even speech one person/group or another doesn't like.

Where I draw the line is with action...and speech is not action.

Look, if some nutjob is standing on the street corner spouting what you call hate speech, do you think that person should be forced to stop? Or, does that person have the right to say whatever they want? I say it's the latter. If I don't want to hear what that person is saying, I'll move on or ignore the nutjob.

Now...if that nutjob starts physically attacking people they don't like...THEN something needs to be done.
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But what if you did not ignore it and it moved you to agree that jews should wear stars and be sent to camps for extermination?
 
Spunkylama said:
Shaun King
@shaunking

Ask ANY conservative this question and watch them STRUGGLE to answer it. Since you say free speech and ALL speech needs to be allowed on Twitter, does that mean you believe that should included targeted hate speech against Jews? Should that be allowed? Be specific and clear.
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Who has been cancelling people off twitter? I'm pretty sure it's not republicans.
 
Integrityrespec said:
Who has been cancelling people off twitter? I'm pretty sure it's not republicans.
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In fairness we don't know the political persuasions of the mods at twitter. I think it came down to, did you break TOS? If so you got in trouble. Do it so many times then banned. That is how most places operate.
 
Vadinho said:
But what if you did not ignore it and it moved you to agree that jews should wear stars and be sent to camps for extermination?
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So what? I'm allowed to think whatever I want, right?
 
Spunkylama said:
In fairness we don't know the political persuasions of the mods at twitter. I think it came down to, did you break TOS? If so you got in trouble. Do it so many times then banned. That is how most places operate.
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😂. That’s like saying the people at FBook are conservatives. It’s pretty clear that Mark Z. is a liberal/progressive, and the guy with the beard at Twitter is too. In all fairness. 😂 Right!
 
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mrjurrs said:
As I see it, there are laws that govern every business. I don't see your examples as being free speech issues. Can those workers step off site and say the things they want? If yes, I don't see that as a free speech issue.
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We agree. Employers of course can regulate speech on their property, on their time etc. I am specifically talking about what happens off the clock, off premise, and out of company uniform. I am talking about what happens when one of your better workers ends up with his face plastered on the local paper at a MAGA rally, and a sign in his hand saying 'BLM - Biden Loves Minors' or at a BLM rally with a sign that says " F*** the Pigs" and next thing you know, 10 of your workers don't want to work with him, and you are getting calls from customers wanting this guy fired. What should employers do, and what should their policies be? Do employees have a duty not to say or do anything that might compromise a good community relationship for employers, or do employers have a duty to mind their own business, and judge employees based on their work alone?
 
btthegreat said:
We agree. Employers of course can regulate speech on their property, on their time etc. I am specifically talking about what happens off the clock, off premise, and out of company uniform. I am talking about what happens when one of your better workers ends up with his face plastered on the local paper at a MAGA rally, and a sign in his hand saying 'BLM - Biden Loves Minors' or at a BLM rally with a sign that says " F*** the Pigs" and next thing you know, 10 of your workers won't work with him, and you are getting calls from customers wanting this guy fired.
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Then it's up to the business. A company will always (almost) act in it's own self-interest. Would you be willing to throw over the rights of private businesses for a more blanketed free speech definition?
 
mrjurrs said:
Then it's up to the business. A company will always (almost) act in it's own self-interest. Would you be willing to throw over the rights of private businesses for a more blanketed free speech definition?
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Is it your position is that it just does not matter where the speech happens, or when it happens despite this question of yours "... Can those workers step off site and say the things they want? If yes, I don't see that as a free speech issue. " An employee really ought not feel free to speak or protest on his own time, about the issues. He really ought to check with Human Resources, and his supervisor and ask permission before he marches for civil rights, or for climate change, or writes a letter to the editor of the local paper to make sure his political activism is not 'inconsistent with the company values" or potentially embarrassing to the corporate brand. We will live in a world where a worker gets to choose between feeding her kids, and her husbands heart meds, and standing up for social or political change. All those morals clauses sitting in employment contracts, are really about extending the employers' authority over the lives of their workers, long past quitting time, miles away from the premises of work.

See I remember having to make that very choice. Back in the days when gay rights were far more controversial than now, I took a serious risk by marching for gay rights in my local community. I had to worry how it might impact my wife and I, knowing my employer was none to keen about that annual march. I chose to march in the years before my wife got pregnant, but not afterwards. She needed the health care, and my check made a huge difference in the security of my family. Now maybe my employer would have respected my personal private life, as just that and decided that in order for free speech and assembly to thrive in this country, people should not have their activism punished by govt levying a fine, or by employers deciding to reduce their hours or fire them because both have a chilling impact.

In direct answer to your question above, I do not at present support including anti-discrimination language in civil rights statutes protecting workers from discrimination in employment based on their political affiliation, or personal political activity or speech. But if businesses keep blurring the lines between what it is to be on the clock, on the premises and at work , with what it means to be on your own time, off work premises, and free, I could imagine changing my mind. If they want me to be a good little corporate soldier 24/7, then they ought to pay me wages 24/7!
 
Spunkylama said:
Shaun King
@shaunking

Ask ANY conservative this question and watch them STRUGGLE to answer it. Since you say free speech and ALL speech needs to be allowed on Twitter, does that mean you believe that should included targeted hate speech against Jews? Should that be allowed? Be specific and clear.
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Are you allowing hate speech against blacks? Arabs? Hindu? Chinese? Hispanic? Muslems? Christians? The answer is so easy. It’s perfectly clear.
 
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