France Riots-Liberal Policies Don't Work

[Urethra Franklin]

Actually I got that impression from CNN's coverage-you know, that news source that's been headed up by left-wing lunatic, Ted Turner...which, according to the Left's rhetoric about media bias, means the whole entire network has to be slanted to the Left?

Nice try though.

CNN Lies left wing??????:mrgreen:

You need to re-take your political science class.

 

[cnredd]

CNN Lies left wing??????:mrgreen:

You need to re-take your political science class.

It went over your head...

There are multiple posts on this forum saying that Fox is Conservative mainly because of its head guy, Rupurt Murdoch...

This, of course, is a fallacy for two reasons...

1)Murdoch owns a stable of decidely liberal outlets throughout the world...Thinking one of his many media outlets describes him is absurd...

2) According to that very same logic, those who believe Fox is Conservative because of Murdoch should ALSO believe CNN is Liberal because of Ted Turner...equally absurd...

You didn't get it...I'm guessing because you are worried about your car getting torched in the fine streets of gay Paree...:shrug:

 

[Urethra Franklin]

It went over your head...

There are multiple posts on this forum saying that Fox is Conservative mainly because of its head guy, Rupurt Murdoch...

This, of course, is a fallacy for two reasons...

1)Murdoch owns a stable of decidely liberal outlets throughout the world...Thinking one of his many media outlets describes him is absurd...

2) According to that very same logic, those who believe Fox is Conservative because of Murdoch should ALSO believe CNN is Liberal because of Ted Turner...equally absurd...

You didn't get it...I'm guessing because you are worried about your car getting torched in the fine streets of gay Paree...:shrug:

You don't get it.
Liberal and left wing are not the same thing. Far from it.
I'm not worried about my car. I choose not to own one. I don't need one with the efficient and excellent public transport we enjoy here.
The cars in my neighbourhood are not being torched.
Probably because there are no "riots" going on.
:roll:

 

[MSgt]

And it is utterly irrelevant to aquapub having been challenged to prove his claim that "riots" are proof of the failure of liberal policies. What you call aquapub trying to get back on topic is actually him trying to avoid providing evidence for his claim when challenged.

No.....him getting back on topic is just that. 'jufiuh' and 'KCConservative' also tried to get back on track. Discussing the topic and seeking proof is a whole other matter than mere insults from post to post.

Your analysis sucks to high heavens.

Really? To high heavens? How many heavens are there? How high would these heavens be you type of? Are there heavens? I want proof. I challenge you to produce proof. I could go on an on and produce post after post badgering you for proof, but that would only serve to disrupt and derail the thread wouldn't it? Sound familiar?:roll:

But it is interesting that you need to push being a moderator to try to silence our insistence that aquapub actually prove his false claim. That is plain lame.

What is lame is how I am able to show how ignorant and "wanting" so many of these posts are. For example....

Aquapub has made what could be considered a racial statement in post#94 and I addressed it through logic and debate in post#95. Did I resort to name calling? Did I start whining about racism and start calling him a bigot and start a baiting contest? No I did not. Instead, I maintained civility and showed him the error of a civilization that would continue to practice anchient passed down traditions above equality. This can be useful in showing ignorance in a statement.

You should take a lesson. They are free.

BTW, congratulations with becoming moderator. When did this occur?

Last week. View attachment 1898

 

[MSgt]

When you have exerted moderator threats in a tread, is it wise to then participate as a discussion partner in that same tread. Isn't that a blatant set-up for bias and the appearance of censorship? I am disturbed by this and bothered by the feeling that we can not challenge you outright on your claims without being moderated against.

Save the "wounded woe is me" whining for someone that will hug you.

I moderated the thread, because you all were acting like children and every other post was being reported. I then went ahead and added some fuel to the thread to give you un-creative people something to debate about. I agree with parts of Aquapubs sentiments. However, I do not agree with others. I believe I made that clear in my post.

*It's my job to moderate the debates and to keep the debates moving.*

Challenge anything you like. Nothing hurts my feelings. I've never been an avid or a fan of "post reporting" like many on this thread who feel the need to tattle after a close inspection of each and every syllable in a post from a member they don't like.

Thus far, after reviewing the entire thread, I have not seen where you have contributed too much substance. Just a bunch of "uh-uhs" and "prove its." Why don't you show where "liberalism" in France has been beneficial to the people (and not just the white elite on the Paris Seine)? That would give the opposition something to reflect on. And here you simply say you don't feel comfortable "challenging" my post. -Great debating skills.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Probably because there are no "riots" going on.
:roll:

Well that's just a bold faced lie:

French police subdue riots over jobs law
PARIS (AP) — Police loosed water cannons and tear gas on rioting students and activists rampaged through a McDonald's and attacked store fronts in the capital Saturday as demonstrations against a plan to relax job protections spread in a widening arc across France.

At the close of a march in Paris that drew a crowd of tens of thousands, seven officers and 17 protesters were injured during two melees, at the Place de la Nation in eastern Paris and the Sorbonne University. Police said they arrested 156 people in the French capital.
Four cars were set afire, police said, and a McDonald's restaurant was attacked along with store fronts at the close of the march.
Tensions escalated later Saturday as about 500 youths moved on to the Sorbonne, trying to break through tall metal blockades erected after police stormed the Paris landmark a week ago to dislodge occupying students. The university has become a symbol of the protest.

In an apparent effort to set fire to a police van serving as a blockade, protesters instead torched the entrance of a nearby Gap store, apparently by accident, engulfing the small porch in flames.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-03-18-france-job-protests_x.htm

 

[Urethra Franklin]

Read above Trajan about exceptions and media sensationalisation.

Your picture of a few trouble makers means nothing.
The reality is that the majority of the protests here are peaceful. Yes there are some violent exceptions, but this is not the norm. Most Parisians are going about their daily business unhampered.

"Riots" suggests it's not safe to go out.
"Riots" suggests a generalized unrest.
"Riots" are far from what we're seeing in these protests, though unhappily a minority of them have turned violent. Regrettable. Sadly there are trouble makers everywhere. These thugs are in general nothing to do with the anti-CPE movement.

As to the original point of this ridiculous thread, the protests are far from proof that "liberal" policies or any other policies don't work. The fact that "liberal" is far to the right of anything socialist, which is what you people are really griping about, seems to have escaped you. So simplistic is your world view and so limited your powers of analysis, that you don't actually know what is liberal, what is socialist, what is communist etc. To you, anything that's not conservative is bad (a misguided view) so you don't even bother employing any intelligence to distinguish between them. A very kindergaden way to view the world - just like Bush. No wonder we now have mayhem in Iraq and other US colonies.

 

[MSgt]

No wonder we now have mayhem in Iraq and other US colonies.

Bwahahahaha. From a member of a European nation that glorified colonization, this is funny.

Iraq is very far from being any sort of "colony." They have not been made American subjects. We have not claimed this land. And let's not forget why the Middle East is the wreck that it is - France and England. How's the American colony in France? Oh wait, after we liberated it, we gave it back, just like every place we have ever been. It's tragicly funny how Europeans find American intervention on their behalf a good thing, but anywhere else is ust a waste of money and blood.

"US colonies." I love the desperation.



Anyway, now that I've had a good laugh, what is the appeasing government of France discussing as a fix to all of these unemployment issues? Anything? Or will they do what they always do - sweep it off for the next guy to deal with when the problem is worse?

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Read above Trajan about exceptions and media sensationalisation.

Your picture of a few trouble makers means nothing.
The reality is that the majority of the protests here are peaceful. Yes there are some violent exceptions, but this is not the norm. Most Parisians are going about their daily business unhampered.

"Riots" suggests it's not safe to go out.
"Riots" suggests a generalized unrest.
"Riots" are far from what we're seeing in these protests, though unhappily a minority of them have turned violent. Regrettable. Sadly there are trouble makers everywhere. These thugs are in general nothing to do with the anti-CPE movement.

As to the original point of this ridiculous thread, the protests are far from proof that "liberal" policies or any other policies don't work. The fact that "liberal" is far to the right of anything socialist, which is what you people are really griping about, seems to have escaped you. So simplistic is your world view and so limited your powers of analysis, that you don't actually know what is liberal, what is socialist, what is communist etc. To you, anything that's not conservative is bad (a misguided view) so you don't even bother employing any intelligence to distinguish between them. A very kindergaden way to view the world - just like Bush. No wonder we now have mayhem in Iraq and other US colonies.

No what is going on in your country in indeed a riot, a peaceful protest is what we had here in the states with our illegal immigrant population where there was no violence what so ever, you have another organized "protest," today and we'll see how long it takes for the rioting to start. Your "protesters," are attacking shop owners and the police how can you claim that to be peaceful at all by every definition of the word it is a riot. It was not just one picture I gave you the figures to back it up.

Torched cars, rampaging through shops, and attacks on police barricades is a riot not a protest.

There is no such thing as a U.S. colony.

And the fact of the matter is that liberal and leftwing are now the same thing, while the term liberal was once used to describe those who espoused laissez faire economics that is not the case any longer. What you don't understand is that the terms liberal and conservative change with time, what was liberal 100 years ago will be conservative today. Your the one who doesn't understand the terminology, I myself am a Political Science major this is what I do.

 

[GarzaUK]

There are multiple posts on this forum saying that Fox is Conservative mainly because of its head guy, Rupurt Murdoch...

This, of course, is a fallacy for two reasons...

1)Murdoch owns a stable of decidely liberal outlets throughout the world...Thinking one of his many media outlets describes him is absurd...

Just outta curiousiy what Rupert Media Outlets are liberal?? All the media outlets he owns in the UK are conservative bias. The Sun, Daily Telegraph. Sky News (although UK laws prohibit him from making it bias like Fox News thank god).

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Just outta curiousiy what Rupert Media Outlets are liberal?? All the media outlets he owns in the UK are conservative bias. The Sun, Daily Telegraph. Sky News (although UK laws prohibit him from making it bias like Fox News thank god).

For the record a U.C.L.A. independent study found that Fox News is centrist and that it just appears to be slanted right because the rest of the media is so slanted to the left.

 

[GarzaUK]

For the record a U.C.L.A. independent study found that Fox News is centrist and that it just appears to be slanted right because the rest of the media is so slanted to the left.

:2funny: good one Totty!!!

Didn't Fox before the 2004 run a campaign.

** days until Bush gets re-elected.

How is this centrist?? Give me a break!! lol lol

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

:2funny: good one Totty!!!

Didn't Fox before the 2004 run a campaign.

** days until Bush gets re-elected.

How is this centrist?? Give me a break!! lol lol

Well laugh it up chucko read it yourself:

A Measure of Media Bias​

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Tim Groseclose​

Department of Political Science​

UCLA​

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Jeff Milyo​

Department of Economics​

University of Missouri​

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December 2004​

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http://www.polisci.ucla.edu/faculty/groseclose/Media.Bias.8.htm​

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[cnredd]

Just outta curiousiy what Rupert Media Outlets are liberal?? All the media outlets he owns in the UK are conservative bias. The Sun, Daily Telegraph. Sky News (although UK laws prohibit him from making it bias like Fox News thank god).

From a previous post...

It's pretty funny that people will spout that Rupert Murdoch must have some sort of political agenda because he owns FoxNews, but nary a word about the fact that most of the things he owns are of a Liberal nature...

here's a list of what he's got a hand in...

How can someone says he's trying to push a "Conservative" agenda when more than half of the things he owns either portray or report on portrayals of explicit violence, nudity and what "Conservatives" are accused of saying..."The downfall of Western Civilization and morals"?...

Remember...the same guy that brought you O'Reilly & Hannity also brought you Al Bundy, "When Animals Attack", and "Temptation Island"...

He's playing both sides of the aisle, but most hear "FoxNews" and the kneejerk spasm is to accuse him of being some sort of right-wing hack...

He could care less...he's in the media mogul business for one thing...profit...

Murdoch Derangement Syndrome (MDS), - in which otherwise normal people believe that their minds are being controlled by a single, very clever Australian.

 

[GarzaUK]

Fair enough Fox has The Simpsons (who mock Fox and Fox News repeatly) and other shows for ratings. However in News Stations and Newspapers he is all for making his life and the life of is rich buddies more better. Surely it's no coincidence that every newspaper and news station he has basically as the same views.

Is Murdoch a social conservtive? Hell no. He doesn't give a damn about abortion, family values or gay marriage or any of that. His news stations and newspapers are his political voice to persuade the common people to see the rich view on life.
One of his main concerns his ratings and he has tapped into the green that is conservative America very well. But all of his other outlets are conservative!

How can Fox News be fair and balanced when they actively supported Bush's 2004 campaign?? How in hell is that impartial??? And how in hell is that not bias?

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

How can Fox News be fair and balanced when they actively supported Bush's 2004 campaign?? How in hell is that impartial??? And how in hell is that not bias?

What are you talking about? There were 527's payed for by Fox now? If you want to talk about actively supporting candidates I suggest you look into Ted Turner.

 

[GarzaUK]

What are you talking about? There were 527's payed for by Fox now? If you want to talk about actively supporting candidates I suggest you look into Ted Turner.

So you are not saying that on the run up to the 2004 election Fox News was not stating:

"97 Days until Bush is Re-elected"
"63 Days until Bush is Re-elected"
"24 Days until Bush is Re-elected"
Because I distinctly saw that.

As for Ted Turner, well I have never watched CNN in my life, I don't have it. I don''t know if Turner is bias or not. I think their is liberal bias in the American media, but Fox News is not centrist, it is conservative bias - and does not really bother me. What bothers me is the "Fair and Balanced" remark.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

So you are not saying that on the run up to the 2004 election Fox News was not stating:

"97 Days until Bush is Re-elected"
"63 Days until Bush is Re-elected"
"24 Days until Bush is Re-elected"
Because I distinctly saw that.

Ya what show? On Hannity? That's an editorial program meant to be biased but it also has Colmes on it.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

OK UA and Steen I'm watching your "peaceful," protestors live kicking some kid in the head while he's unconscious already and when the policemen comes to help the kid these "peaceful," protestors throw **** at him.

Very peaceful indeed.

 

[PeteEU]

That study is so freaking flawed that its almost laughable. I know a lot, especially the right, have taken the study at face value but come on.

Look at the report, look at the background of the 2 men who wrote it (let me give you a hint.. right wingers working for right wing think tanks and politicans all thier lives basicly). Look at the flaws in the report. Wall Street Journal, the bastion of business is the communist rag of the USA according to the report! How can anyone take it seriously? For WSJ they talk about the news part and not the editorial part, and yet for Fox its almost solely the editorial part? How can you compare "news" organisations if you dont level the field? I could go on but others have debunked that report over and over again (and yes they are probally all liberals, but that dont change the facts in the report).

As for France, they are still demonstrating and a few idiots still rioting... that was after all the original part of the thread.

 

[Deegan]

This is sad, total anarchy, and this country has to now reep the whirlwind, I wish them luck, they'll need it. 40% of the young people are unemployed, so I don't expect they have much more to do then riot, France is in real trouble, but they have brought it upon themselves.

 

[PeteEU]

40%?... odd last figure I heard was mid 20s........

 

[Deegan]

40%?... odd last figure I heard was mid 20s........

It's on the news now, but I can only report on what I am hearing. Still, mid 20's 30's or 40's, it's still a failed system, and suspect it will only get worse.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

That study is so freaking flawed that its almost laughable. I know a lot, especially the right, have taken the study at face value but come on.

Look at the report, look at the background of the 2 men who wrote it (let me give you a hint.. right wingers working for right wing think tanks and politicans all thier lives basicly). Look at the flaws in the report. Wall Street Journal, the bastion of business is the communist rag of the USA according to the report! How can anyone take it seriously? For WSJ they talk about the news part and not the editorial part, and yet for Fox its almost solely the editorial part? How can you compare "news" organisations if you dont level the field? I could go on but others have debunked that report over and over again (and yes they are probally all liberals, but that dont change the facts in the report).

As for France, they are still demonstrating and a few idiots still rioting... that was after all the original part of the thread.

That's a lie the background of those two men are that they are professors for the U.C.L.A. political science department, it was an independent report not payed for by any think tank whatsoever.

Where do you see that they compared the editorials? They said that they didn't compare editorials.

 

[aquapub]

the background of those two men are that they are professors for the U.C.L.A. political science department

That's about as liberal as it gets.