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France Riots-Liberal Policies Don't Work

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RightatNYU said:
Largely peaceful?

France was in a State of Emergency for 3 months over the winter. Three months.

Estimates at the damage done by the rioting was over 220 million Euros. Almost NINE THOUSAND cars were torched. There were almost 3,000 arrests, and 136 Police and Firefighters were injured.




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Almost NINE thousand cars were torched holy moly. That would be a great point, if of course it wasn't from a completely unrelated story. Those riots last year have nothing to do with the largely peaceful labour protests that are currently occuring. The two stories are maybe being confused for each other?
 

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I'm surprised France has made it this long sodomizing businesses the way they do.

But it has, because far from sodomising business, it promotes ethical practice. The result is that rather than the obscene extremes of wealth and poverty you have in the US, people here don't need to fear getting sick, old, disabled or unemployed, because unlike those poor sods we all saw after Katrina, poverty here means you still have your public housing, universal health coverage and minimum income. It's exactly this social security that people are fighting to protect against the policies of this conservative government. The only resaon you find it hard to see Chirac as a con is because you come from such a one sided society that anybody to the left of Genghis Khan is perceived as a pinko commie.

We have less obscenely rich people than you have in the US. We have an enormous middle class that lives well, while your own middle class is fast shrinking. I'm proud to live in a society that protects the weak and the vulnerable. I pay no heed to your narrow, ecomonic, modernist measures of "success" We have far higher taxes than you - that's fine because we enjoy a social richness that United Statesians can only dream about. Of course in their greed, cons can't see that.
 

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millsy said:
Almost NINE thousand cars were torched holy moly. That would be a great point, if of course it wasn't from a completely unrelated story. Those riots last year have nothing to do with the largely peaceful labour protests that are currently occuring. The two stories are maybe being confused for each other?


Exactly millsy - they can't even be bothered to sift through the facts.
 

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millsy said:
Almost NINE thousand cars were torched holy moly. That would be a great point, if of course it wasn't from a completely unrelated story. Those riots last year have nothing to do with the largely peaceful labour protests that are currently occuring. The two stories are maybe being confused for each other?


I know, I was speaking in regards to both the riots. The 9000 cars were from last winter's riots.

The second clipping:

PARIS - Demonstrators hurled chunks of concrete at police, who responded by filling a picturesque Paris square with tear gas Thursday as protest marches over a contested jobs law erupted into violence.

Tensions heated up on Paris’ verdant Esplanade des Invalides, with riot police using tear gas on rowdy protesters who threw grapefruit-sized chunks of concrete at police officers. Some of the 23,000 marchers turned on each other, beating and kicking.

Plumes of smoke billowed skyward as youths set trash bins on fire, and vandals smashed glass bus shelters and windows at several shops.

Was from yesterday.

Now wanna explain how that's nonviolent?
 

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Urethra Franklin said:
But it has, because far from sodomising business, it promotes ethical practice. The result is that rather than the obscene extremes of wealth and poverty you have in the US, people here don't need to fear getting sick, old, disabled or unemployed, because unlike those poor sods we all saw after Katrina, poverty here means you still have your public housing, universal health coverage and minimum income. It's exactly this social security that people are fighting to protect against the policies of this conservative government. The only resaon you find it hard to see Chirac as a con is because you come from such a one sided society that anybody to the left of Genghis Khan is perceived as a pinko commie.


1) Since when is ethics the opposite of sodomizing the economy? Since when is this about ethics? Is it "unethical" to expect someone to raise a finger for their own station in life? What you consider "ethical" policies are precisely the sort of obscenely expensive, cushy, undeserved, class warfare, left-wing policies that ARE sodomizing France's economy.

2) People ARE in fear of losing their jobs and growing old. The fact that it takes an average of 5 years for college grads to find a job in France is what prompted such "drastic" measures as letting companies cut incompetent/unneeded employees with less red tape.

3) Your post translates as: If a company can no longer afford to employ someone, it should still be damn near impossible to fire them (this is the policy they are trying to change), and the company should just have to leave or go out of business-which costs far more jobs.

This is economically idiotic and it is one of the many liberal policies causing France to be so screwed for jobs.

4) The fact that Chirac is a "conservative" and is the only one pushing for such a common sense pro-jobs policy speaks for itself. I would expect liberals to be smearing him-he is creating jobs.

5) Guess what? Those who have made it owe you and your family nothing. Companies don't have any obligations to you. They are in it for themselves and if you make yourself useful to them, they may purchase your services. But you are not entitled to crap. Socialism is based on petty, weak jealousy of the successful. Europe needs to stop acting like all wealth is just temporarily in the hands of those who actually do something for it-until it gets re-distributed back to its rightful owners who do nothing to earn or deserve it.

Just because someone is poor doesn't mean society is responsible for it. I grew up poor, and I have never once met a poor person who didn't make decisions repeatedly that put them in their poverty. We have safety nets for those who were just horribly unlucky, but most people make bad choices to get poor, and YOUR culture caters to their irresponsibility and encourages it at the expense of a functional economy.
 
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RightatNYU said:
I know, I was speaking in regards to both the riots. The 9000 cars were from last winter's riots.

The second clipping:



Was from yesterday.

Now wanna explain how that's nonviolent?

You're right those incidents weren't nonviolent.

I chose my words carefully earlier (who am I kiddding, I never do that), when I said "largely nonviolent". There were thousands upon thousands (hundreds of thousands?) of students all over the country gathered together against that proposal. You get that many young people together and yes, some less intelligent behaviour will occur. However, to say that these were anything other than peaceful protests would be a little misleading in my opinion.
 

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We have less obscenely rich people than you have in the US. We have an enormous middle class that lives well, while your own middle class is fast shrinking. I'm proud to live in a society that protects the weak and the vulnerable. I pay no heed to your narrow, ecomonic, modernist measures of "success" We have far higher taxes than you - that's fine because we enjoy a social richness that United Statesians can only dream about. Of course in their greed, cons can't see that.

Waddaya mean "social richness" - what the hell is that? France's de facto guarantee of employment is doomed as the world becomes more competitive. Most euro countries are shrinking in population, and as they bring in hordes of unassimilated, not-to-be assimilated third worlders, you should ask yourself a question - when the arabs etc run parliament and have ten kids apiece, are they going to continue all the benefits for old white euros? Probably not. Also, deadbeat university students are hardly what one could call the weak and vulnerable. Neither Euroweenieland nor the U.S. nor anyone can overturn the laws of economics, and they will catch up with you euros presently.
 

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millsy said:
You're right those incidents weren't nonviolent.

I chose my words carefully earlier (who am I kiddding, I never do that), when I said "largely nonviolent". There were thousands upon thousands (hundreds of thousands?) of students all over the country gathered together against that proposal. You get that many young people together and yes, some less intelligent behaviour will occur. However, to say that these were anything other than peaceful protests would be a little misleading in my opinion.

Hundreds of rioters and dozens of police were injured, journalists were attacked, and property smashed.

If that happened in NYC, I'd call it violent. And so would most of the defenders of France's actions on this board.

Oh, and the actual strikes haven't even started yet. See ya tuesday.
 

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alphamale said:
Waddaya mean "social richness" - what the hell is that? .

No, I wouldn't expect you to understand that in your McWorld, where you McSpend and McConsume until you get so McFat that your McButtons pop off your cheap McTrousers, made in your McMariana Islands by a McChild.
 

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aquapub said:
Just because someone is poor doesn't mean society is responsible for it. I grew up poor, and I have never once met a poor person who didn't make decisions repeatedly that put them in their poverty. We have safety nets for those who were just horribly unlucky, but most people make bad choices to get poor, and YOUR culture caters to their irresponsibility and encourages it at the expense of a functional economy.

So the poor black girl born HIV+ and HCV+ to a crack addict single mum in Harlem, sent to be "educated" in a school where there's more violence than learning going on, chose her disadvantages? I suppose she derserves it for having an addict mum in the first place, and in any case, she's black so you don't really give a flying f***.
 

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Urethra Franklin said:
So the poor black girl born HIV+ and HCV+ to a crack addict single mum in Harlem, sent to be "educated" in a school where there's more violence than learning going on, chose her disadvantages? I suppose she derserves it for having an addict mum in the first place, and in any case, she's black so you don't really give a flying f***.
Didn't you know? According to the waterpub, whites are a dieing breed in the US. The minorities breeding like rabbits are overrunning the nation and the cause of all this poverty around.
Liberals like you and I, out of our respect for human dignity are ruining the world according to the waterpub.
 

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Urethra Franklin said:
So the poor black girl born HIV+ and HCV+ to a crack addict single mum in Harlem, sent to be "educated" in a school where there's more violence than learning going on, chose her disadvantages? I suppose she derserves it for having an addict mum in the first place, and in any case, she's black so you don't really give a flying f***.

Pick the most extreme situation imaginable and then act like it proves all poor people have no chance.

This is a weak tactic and you should be above it to be in here. And your baseless playing of the bigot card is tired, unoriginal, and lame. Please put a little effort into your responses. :roll:

MOST people who are poor screw themselves into their situation. That is what I said and that is what I meant. I will take the fact that you had to distort my position that badly to have something to respond with as a sign that you have nothing to respond with. ;)
 

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Pick the most extreme situation imaginable and then act like it proves all poor people have no chance.

This is a weak tactic and you should be above it to be in here. And your baseless playing of the bigot card is tired, unoriginal, and lame. Please put a little effort into your responses. :roll:

MOST people who are poor screw themselves into their situation. That is what I said and that is what I meant. I will take the fact that you had to distort my position that badly to have something to respond with as a sign that you have nothing to respond with. ;)
We're still waiting to be enlightened by your factual sources that poove your thread title.
 

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Didn't you know? According to the waterpub, whites are a dieing breed in the US. The minorities breeding like rabbits are overrunning the nation and the cause of all this poverty around.
Liberals like you and I, out of our respect for human dignity are ruining the world according to the waterpub.


Dumb, very dumb. That's not at all what I have argued (and what you are advocating is not human dignity-it is mindless slavery to racial hysteria). :roll: Now I understand why you are a liberal.
 

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Dumb, very dumb. That's not at all what I have argued (or what YOU have argued). :roll: Now I understand why you are a liberal.
No? You deny you've made this argument? Should I quote you?
You're own statement
 

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jfuh said:
No? You deny you've made this argument? Should I quote you?
You're own statement


Now compare that with what you claimed I said in your post #61.

I never argued that minorities are the source of all poverty; I didn't claim that they are overrunning our country; I didn't claim that whites were a "dying breed."

They are reproducing more than us, but for white people to be removed from this world it would take a very long time. "Dying breed" is your drastic term, not mine.

Thank you for posting proof that you are misrepresenting me. That was helpful. :lol:
 

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jfuh said:
We're still waiting to be enlightened by your factual sources that poove your thread title.


And for the fourth time, I have posted dozens of examples...Name which one you want verified and I will gladly "enlighten" you.

Name something specific or stop with this phony posturing. It isn't going to get you anywhere.
 

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aquapub said:
And for the fourth time, I have posted dozens of examples...Name which one you want verified and I will gladly "enlighten" you.

Name something specific or stop with this phony posturing. It isn't going to get you anywhere.
We have already challenged you to prove the lie that riots are proof that Liberal policies don't work.

Your continued and cowardly avoidance of providing that proof is merely demonstration of how lame and ignorant your claims are.
 

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aquapub said:
Now compare that with what you claimed I said in your post #61.
Same thing, I didn't mis-represent you at all. You're remarks that I quoted you from are very much racist.

aquapub said:
I never argued that minorities are the source of all poverty; I didn't claim that they are overrunning our country; I didn't claim that whites were a "dying breed."
NOt in so many words no, but it is your claim.

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They are reproducing more than us, but for white people to be removed from this world it would take a very long time. "Dying breed" is your drastic term, not mine.
Dying - progressive form. In the state of dying. Don't cowardly deny your own racist remarks.

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Thank you for posting proof that you are misrepresenting me. That was helpful. :lol:
ANyone else on here feel I've misrepresented aqua as a racist?
 

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aquapub said:
And for the fourth time, I have posted dozens of examples...Name which one you want verified and I will gladly "enlighten" you.
No, all you've posted are your own opinions, you've not posted a single source to support your lame "facts".

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Name something specific or stop with this phony posturing. It isn't going to get you anywhere.
Both Steen and I have called you out on this several times and yet you've avoided answering them each time. Show us your proof that liberal policies don't work. Proof is not just your own opinion but involves your provision of a credible source, which not limited to this thread alone, but you've failed to ever provide.
 

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ANyone else on here feel I've misrepresented aqua as a racist?
No, of course we don't. You are right on.
 

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aquapub said:
MOST people who are poor screw themselves into their situation. That is what I said and that is what I meant.
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I grew up poor, and I have never once met a poor person who didn't make decisions repeatedly that put them in their poverty.

????????????
 

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????????????


I grew up poor. We busted our a$$es to get out of it. I got to meet a lot of poor people in the process, and most of them were where they were because of their decisions. I paid close attention to things like this growing up, to ensure that my kids would never go through what I went through...and they haven't.

The only difference? I was willing to earn a better life.
 

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I grew up poor. We busted our a$$es to get out of it. I got to meet a lot of poor people in the process, and most of them were where they were because of their decisions. I paid close attention to things like this growing up, to ensure that my kids would never go through what I went through...and they haven't.

The only difference? I was willing to earn a better life.
So what now? Your parents are to blame for you growing up poor? Cause they "screwed themselves into their situation"?

By the way, still waiting on your facts and sources on how liberal policies don't work.
 
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I haven't been following this thread too closely, but has anyone made the point the Sensenbrenner's bill HR 4337 that the House passed basically emulates the policy that the French government is using on their Muslim population?

The muslims have rioted because they are treated as scum in France - and the GOP wants to copy that???? :shock:

Some advice - the GOP is about to lose the entire Latino voting block that they have been courting for years. :2wave:

Is this year's wedge issue du jour worth it?
 
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