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Fox News' Tucker Carlson calls concerns about white supremacy a "hoax"

Parrish said:
And 45 has the blood of 22 people in El Paso who just happened to be shopping at Walmart when one of his cult heeded his calls.
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He doesnt, and that is a remarkably stupid thing to say, but thank you for mindlessly repeating what you hear on CNN.
 
Fletch said:
I wouldnt be surprised either, but I used their numbers because even if grossly inflated, they demonstrate how inconsequential the Klan has become. 100 years ago, the Klan boasted a membership of 4,000,000. Now its 5000 in a country that has 200,000,000 more people in it today than it did then. And the Nazi party? Its a joke. Didnt they call for a rally in DC a year or so ago and have only about 25 people show up. Yeah, now theres an impressive movement :roll: White Supremacy is political rhetoric that mindless leftist see as truth. Kinda like Russian collusion. But liberals will literally fall for anything.
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Actually I think the rally ended up being smaller than that, and antifa resorted to attacking bystanders, and journalist instead.

What a damn joke that whole thing was.
 
Mach said:
Without seeing the details, you can't determine if it's just an error, made out of anger or despair, etc., or outright defamation (a crime!).

If you assumed we are using racism in the broader context, you might agree that your quesiton itself likely indicates a racist remark, one made by the majority power (white). That likely bothers you, it bothers most people that don't understand racism. It bothered me for 15 years bubbagone, and then one day I figured it out.

And I do not use the term racism to mean: Racism is the belief in the superiority of one race over another.

I am thinking more like this:

"Scholars, also commonly define racism not only in terms of individual prejudice, but also in terms of a power structure that protects the interests of the dominant culture and actively discriminates against ethnic minorities.[49][50] From this perspective, while members of ethnic minorities may be prejudiced against members of the dominant culture, they lack the political and economic power to actively oppress them, and they are therefore not practicing "racism".[49][53][54]
" Racism - Wikipedia

There is a language problem at the root of this issue though. If some large % of white people think they are being told they are the first definition, they maybe rightfully are offended. even if it's explained to them, they may feel that in public discourse since they feel most people ALSO use that same definition, that it's still bad....even if they understand the broader definition. So I feel if there is to be progress on this beyond just a steady organic progress, that definition has to differentiate into two distinct concepts/words.
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Ah. The "Scholars". You decided to go with that old trope that only the oppressors can be racist. That was always too obviously an effort to compartmentalize racist guilt for political purposes.
Louis Farrakhan can't be racist but David Duke is. Right. uh-huh.

How about defining racism as simply disliking a person or a people because of their race or ethnicity? Easy. It's irrational "individual prejudice". Now that's "elegant" in it's word economy and accuracy.
And it's the more obviously applicable definition given it's the "power structure" that's tossing around the racism charge like so much spittle these days.
And using your preferred definition, since a power structure is using race to charge political opponents with racism based solely on the motivation to grow their own power, that power structure would at least be engaging in racial politics ... let's call it racism because that's what it is. Voila ... your definition is satisfied.

Let me ask you something ... if someone said that white faces should be white voices, would you say it sounds racist? Or would you have to know who said it before you decide?
 
bubbabgone said:
Ah. The "Scholars". You decided to go with that old trope that only the oppressors can be racist. That was always too obviously an effort to compartmentalize racist guilt for political purposes.
Louis Farrakhan can't be racist but David Duke is. Right. uh-huh.
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It's two separate concepts bubba. Surely you can strain your brain to comprehend it honestly?
David Duke is a racist and a prejudiced against non-whites
Louse Farrakkan is a prejudiced against whites because of racism

Farrakkan's message isn't going to subject the average white male in U.S. society to black on white "oppression".
Farrakkan's message is also in direct opposition to white majority power and the people and systems that perpetuate it in ways that are harmful to minorities.
I don't know anything about him really, but it seems obvious that would be what the case is.

And it's the more obviously applicable definition given it's the "power structure" that's tossing around the racism charge like so much spittle these days.
And using your preferred definition, since a power structure is using race to charge political opponents with racism based solely on the motivation to grow their own power, that power structure would at least be engaging in racial politics ... let's call it racism because that's what it is. Voila ... your definition is satisfied.
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As I wrote, if you refuse differentiate the two, labels aside, your message is racist (use whatever label you want), and dishonest.
 
Mach said:
It's two separate concepts bubba. Surely you can strain your brain to comprehend it honestly?
David Duke is a racist and a prejudiced against non-whites
Louse Farrakkan is a prejudiced against whites because of racism

Farrakkan's message isn't going to subject the average white male in U.S. society to black on white "oppression".
Farrakkan's message is also in direct opposition to white majority power and the people and systems that perpetuate it in ways that are harmful to minorities.
I don't know anything about him really, but it seems obvious that would be what the case is.



As I wrote, if you refuse differentiate the two, labels aside, your message is racist (use whatever label you want), and dishonest.
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So they're both racists ... you just decided it's for different reasons.
I don't excuse either of them.
You found a justification to excuse one of them.
I'm okay with that conclusion.

You never answered ... if someone said that white faces should be white voices, would you say it sounds racist? Or would you have to know who said it before you decide?
 
Fletch said:
Except he didnt say that



Clearly you are incapable of honest discussion or, well, anything. Take up your crap with the straw man yo just created.
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The irony of the guy who declared president Truman a "racist war criminal" for ending the war and then fled in terror when called out on it trying to say anyone else is "incapable" is too ****ing funny :lamo
 
bubbabgone said:
So they're both racists ... you just decided it's for different reasons.
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Are they for different reasons?
I don't excuse either of them.
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A reason is not an excuse bubba, words matter.

You found a justification to excuse one of them.
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Uh oh, now it's a justification, and an excuse, simultaneously? You appear confused.

I'm okay with that conclusion.
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You haven't evidenced you understand the conclusion.

You never answered ... if someone said that white faces should be white voices, would you say it sounds racist? Or would you have to know who said it before you decide?
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I have no idea what white faces and white voices means, or refers to, I would have no determination on it since I think it's nonsense.
 
Tigerace117 said:
The irony of the guy who declared president Truman a "racist war criminal" for ending the war and then fled in terror when called out on it trying to say anyone else is "incapable" is too ****ing funny :lamo
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So thats his threshold of identifying racism? Like holy **** thats a ridiculously high bar to set no matter your opinion of Truman.
 
Fletch said:
One guy does not a movement make
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Well, the guy in El Paso is one, Trump is two, and you must have missed the "Jews will not replace us" parade, FBI investigations, Tim McVeigh, the guy in New Zealand, etc. True, it is not one organization, in fact it is pretty disorganized, but there is a movement of people upset with their countries' demographic changes.
 
Mach said:
Are they for different reasons?
A reason is not an excuse bubba, words matter.

Uh oh, now it's a justification, and an excuse, simultaneously? You appear confused.

You haven't evidenced you understand the conclusion.


I have no idea what white faces and white voices means, or refers to, I would have no determination on it since I think it's nonsense.
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You looked for an excuse to justify some racism and you found it in a very old theory that only very old Liberals and now angry young progressives would try to float.

Suppose I told you that the Mayor of Tuskegee had said "We don’t need any more white faces that don’t want to be a white voice". Does that sound like it could easily be racist?
 
Tigerace117 said:
The irony of the guy who declared president Truman a "racist war criminal" for ending the war and then fled in terror when called out on it trying to say anyone else is "incapable" is too ****ing funny :lamo
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I was using the modern liberal standard to declare Truman a war criminal. I love that he nuked the Japs. They had it coming.
 
Nickyjo said:
Well, the guy in El Paso is one, Trump is two, and you must have missed the "Jews will not replace us" parade, FBI investigations, Tim McVeigh, the guy in New Zealand, etc. True, it is not one organization, in fact it is pretty disorganized, but there is a movement of people upset with their countries' demographic changes.
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Trump is not a white supremacist. Its stupid to even make such a claim. Do yourself a favor, turn off CNN
 
Fletch said:
Trump is not a white supremacist. Its stupid to even make such a claim. Do yourself a favor, turn off CNN
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Don’t watch CNN. Glued to the greater evil, MSNBC. As to Trump, I seriously don’t know whether or not he is a white supremacist, despite my tongue in cheek comment. That’s between him and God. But what is clear to me is that he has discriminated unlawfully in the past and appealed to bigotry and fear more recently. Tell me, why do you think he does stuff like spreading lies about black crime, proposing a total ban on Muslims, and the other stuff that appears to cater to some people’s fears? When he makes broad, arguably bigoted statements, I am repulsed. What is your reaction to them?
 
Nickyjo said:
Well, the guy in El Paso is one, Trump is two, and you must have missed the "Jews will not replace us" parade, FBI investigations, Tim McVeigh, the guy in New Zealand, etc. True, it is not one organization, in fact it is pretty disorganized, but there is a movement of people upset with their countries' demographic changes.
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Sounds like Antifa.
 
Fletch said:
Trump is not a white supremacist. Its stupid to even make such a claim. Do yourself a favor, turn off CNN
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MSNBC, too. Nothing but hate machines.
 
Fletch said:
Trump is not a white supremacist. Its stupid to even make such a claim. Do yourself a favor, turn off CNN
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Turn off fox news.
Seeing as Truman is your bar for being a racist.... well nobody is a racist to you unless they do something yuuuuuge.
 
bubbabgone said:
You looked for an excuse to justify some racism and you found it in a very old theory that only very old Liberals and now angry young progressives would try to float.
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You had the two concepts explained to you, with citations, and you appear to be uncomfortable accepting those facts of reality. Sorry Bubb, you're running from this with your figurative tail between your legs. IN return, you've done nothing but insist strenuously that i'm wrong. Doesn't that make you feel weak in debate, when you can't really refute things and just repeating your original claim? It would irk me.
Suppose I told you that the Mayor of Tuskegee had said "We don’t need any more white faces that don’t want to be a white voice". Does that sound like it could easily be racist?
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Still baiting I see.
 
Mach said:
You had the two concepts explained to you, with citations, and you appear to be uncomfortable accepting those facts of reality. Sorry Bubb, you're running from this with your figurative tail between your legs. IN return, you've done nothing but insist strenuously that i'm wrong. Doesn't that make you feel weak in debate, when you can't really refute things and just repeating your original claim? It would irk me. Still baiting I see.
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I don't recall saying you were wrong about anything.
You've been avoiding taking a position about what YOU believe so saying you're wrong or right isn't possible until you do.

I said I was against racism of any flavor.
I'm just trying to nail down what YOU believe.
- Are you against racism of any flavor?
- Do you justify some racism?
- Do you think some racist thoughts can't be called racist due to circumstances?
C'mon. What are you afraid of?

You can the first step by answering what I asked several times ... "We don’t need any more white faces that don’t want to be a white voice". Does that sound like it could easily be racist?
It should be an easy question to answer. Be bold. Give it a try.
 
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