I asked you to provide “evidence” that Fox News has ever been caught up in a Dan Rather/CBS situation. None has occurred and you have certainly offered nothing to contradict that.
Again I provided evidence, but you are the one that has choosen to disregard that evidence.
Humorously, in another thread about Fox News we have posters from every part of the political spectrum who happen to agree that the Fox News “is” idiocy is pabulum. Some of those posters who happen to be liberal or lean democratic were able to quite correctly point out that the opinions and commentaries on Fox are no more the position of the network than Glen Beck IS CNN, or Keith Olberman IS MSNBC, or Chris Matthews IS CNN. Would you like me to provide you with the link to the thread? Then you can call everyone in that thread who does not agree with your narrow minded paper thin logic about Fox News “Fox News Lovers”? Do tell, because that should make for some truly funny moments, watching you tell posters that have been here for years and are hardly “right wing” that they are Fox News Lovers. Chuckle.
Again, if you are missing the point which you yourself brought up. Either you are intentionally missing the point so to muddy the waters, or just dont get it. You ask for a "Dan Rather like situation" on Fox News. Dan Rather was caught with fake facts in a story. The examples I provided were examples of Fox News being caught in exactly the same thing.
As for the personalities on various networks. They are allowed to have thier opinions as long as they dont make up stuff for thier stories/comments. Have they done this then they should be condemed on the same level as I condem Fox News for allowing such things. I have yet to see faked or false facts to prove a point by CNN reporters or anchors, on any CNN show that I watch. As for the other shows, i dont watch them over here because they are not shown. Glenn Black who? and Chris Mathews who? All I know of them is what the haters on these boards say. They also dont have a great record on Media Matters as far as I can see.
According to your more and more desperate attempts at logic, since anything Glenn Beck says is on CNN, his words are CNN and therefore CNN is “guilty” of any charge you want to flim flam at Beck. The same with Chris Mathews on the same channel, CNN. According to you *(and yes THIS IS STUPID OF YOU) since anything Chris Matthews has to say is aired by CNN, his opinions are those of CNN. Now Matthews and Beck are at opposite ends of the political spectrum and have made all sorts of comments that set internet posters a twitter. But not until I came across your tired attempt to spin this issue, had I ever met someone trying to claim CNN was espousing both the views of Glenn Beck AND Chris Matthews. That is quite a corner you have managed to back yourself into.
Anything that any corrospondant or anchor or reporter says on a tv channel, radio channel or in a newspaper is a reflection of said outlet. If that person lies, or provides false or fake facts in his story, then that reflects the media outlet and especially if the media outlet does nothing to condem such actions.
You are focusing totaly on the TV personalities than the contents of what they base thier message or information on. Again an American that does not understand the idea of principle.
Just more feinting and posturing. But I’m thrilled that your court made a judgment that they themselves recognize comes from “a personal comment section at the end of an hour-long news programme”. Thanks be to the lord above we have courts to issue finding against opinion pieces. The world is safe. Chuckle.
Its not "my court" as I am not British. But in the UK its not legal under the media rules, agreed by the media themselvs, to have personal comments by a reporter or anchor in purely news program. Thats what they have documentaries or similar shows for.
Dan Rather admitted his error in judgment, so did CBS. I did not make any claims about Dan Rather or CBS being “proved guilty many times” much less once. You did claim that Fox News has “been found guilty many times”.
And they have as I have shown. That they have not been "punished" or "called" in the same way as Dan Rather and CBS was, only shows how big a power Fox News has.
Your idea of guilt is an accusation by Media Matters.
No mediamatters just provides the evidence. If Dan Rather was "guilty" of wrong doing before he admitted his error in judgement, then O'Rielly or whoever on Fox News must be just as guilty as Dan Rather as they committed the same "crime" of using false or fake evidence in thier stories. In fact some Fox New people are even more guilty as they knowingly participated in the fabrication of facts for thier stories.
And then you keep referring to your link that reads “My Word is a personal comment section….” All while claming you don’t and then you do understand the differences between OP/ED and reporting. You even offered up some specious attempts to explain why you did not recognize any differences between the two. Now you act like you never did that either. If you don’t stand by your own claims, why are you expecting anyone to give them any heed? You’re all over the place as your spin attempts keep spiraling further and further outwards.
Talk about grabing at straws and attempting spin. I have always claimed here, and in other threads that there is no difference between a news show and OP/ED show on a NEWS channel if the information in said shows is based on fake or false facts.
As all you have to offer as evidence of Fox news mistakes is Media Matters and their accusations, you have nothing to offer really. I understand that you sincerely wish that Media Matters was doing more than making accusations and allegations, but at the end of the day that is all they are doing. There is some source on the internet every day that claims to debunk most everything said by anyone on any channel. Only real stories of fabrication, libel and slander ever actually lead to the stores being confirmed and vetted by other media sources. This is what happened with Dan Rather and CBS News, and this is what has not happened with Fox News. You say it has, but so far all you’ve submitted is hot gas.
Again, you are continuing with the classic right wing tactic of denial of the evidence because of the source. You are again trying to muddy the waters away from the facts so to protect Fox News and its actions.
Yes yes, your IQ plummet continues unabated. Now according to you if CNN does not agree that the comments of one of their pundits made during their commentary show or OP/ED are those of the network, they are hiding behind the OP/ED.
Yes they are. But it depends on who you see as "pundits". I am only talking about anchors and reporters, not about invited "experts" or "commentators". They can say whatever they want, and that does not reflect the news organisation they are on.. because they are INVITED. The Anchors and reporters are employees.
So until CNN and MSNBC and all the other mainstream media sources come out and stop hiding behind OP/EDs and admit the views of Glenn Beck/Chris Matthews/Keith Olberman et al represent the network, not the pundit, your going to beat your drum about how they have been “found guilty many times" of the sham charges you have tried to float out here?
Glenn Beck and so on are anchors of shows on said channels. They are employees of the stations, and hence what they use evidence or facts for thier biased stories reflects the station. If they use false or made up facts to promote thier views, then hell yes that reflects the station. The station is harbouring a liar and cheat for peak sake.
Do tell; better yet let me see if I can predict the future like you. Hokus Pokus, I predict you will now attempt to say that you never claimed that since Bill O’'Rielly is a face of Fox News, and they air his words, his words are those of Fox News.
His words and actions "REFLECT" on Fox News as he is an employee.
And hence you never really intended to mean that since Glenn Beck/Chris Matthews/Keith Olberman are faces of CNN and MSNBC, their words are those of CNN MSNBC. Just how far down this dung hole you have managed to dig are you planning on falling?
You are the one making stuff up to match your paraniod dellusions, not me. You seem not to be able to grasp that it is wrong to use fake or false or made up facts in news stories. If Glen Black says that only 1 million Jews died in the holocaust, then I would expect whatever channel he is on to condem him and fire his sorry ***. If O'Rielly started to quote made up facts about Clinton, or Obama, or some other personality, then I expect Fox News to repremand him. But they dont. If an anchor said that Obama was a muslim pedofile then I would expect that news channel to show that anchor the door.
No, I was making fun of your best attempts at trying to rationalize your unsupportable claims.
My claims are fully supported, its just you that refuse to accept the clear evidence out there. Anyone with half a brain can see using made up facts in stories is wrong. It was wrong for Dan Rather, and its wrong for random Fox News personality or CNN personality or BBC personality to do such a thing.
No, so far you have contradicted yourself. In fact, you have hung yourself. But go ahead, I can’t wait to see how you try to backpedal on your they are faces of the network, therefore they are the network idiocy.
Where have I contradicted myself? I fully understand that this is another lame attempt by you to divert attention away from the issue and onto me by attacking my interigty. It aint gonna work.
Still playing like an allegation from Media Matters is “evidence” of lying, libel slander and whatever adjectives you can come up with? Like I said before, my what a lobvely circle jerk you have made there.
Again its you that have chosen not to believe the evidence Media Matters has, even though almost all evidence are direct transcripts or audio or video. That is not my fault that you choose to close your eyes. Denial can be a serious issue.
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