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Fox News at it again

That doesn't answer my question. I'll ask again "What true liberals host shows on FoxNews?"

You would know if you watched it, do you?

Originally Posted by Stinger
Totally different, I'm right they are wrong.

Oh well why didn't you just say so? We could have ended this three pages ago.

Too much fun using your own tactics against you.

Any sources on this? My time machine is currently broken.

I bet they still have clips on the MSNBC website, you don't watch MSNBC either?


Glad you can recognize that. All postings are our personal opinions on the facts we have access to.

To back your claim what did MSNBC report that was biased compared tow hat FOXNews reported?

The whole Wilson affair for instance, they still report that he debunked the Bush Administration and that they were out "to get him". Both wrong and they refuse to report the truth.
 
I was asking you to back up your statements with some evidence.

The best evidence is that which you discover for yourself, so start watching FOX and then you will see for yourself.
No, you're trying to shift the focus.

Not at all, it is perfectly appropriate to use a comparative example to demonstrate a point.
 
I think they balance each other.

Fox doesn't need any other netword for balance, it balances itself by presenting both sides of the issue and welcoming liberals and Democrats on the air to express those opinions.

FOX is so off the hook right and MSNBC is so off the hook left they compliment each other.

MSNBC is nowhere in the league of FOX when it comes to credible reporting and showing both sides of the issue. MSNBC is a Democrat forum which cowtows their propaganda nightly.

But neither are credible when left to their own devices.

MSNBC perhaps because they rarely ever present the otherside and when they do overwhelm the person with a panel of liberals.

You aren't honestly declaring FOX to be "fair and Balanced" are you?

Absolutely, you aren't honestly saying otherwise are you?

Because that's so rediculous, it isn't even worth pondering.

It is to anyone giving it an honest look. Try it.

There is no way you can say that with a straight face. No way.

I usually have a smile on my face so you are correct on that point.
 
You would know if you watched it, do you?
Are you purposefully avoiding the question?

I did find an amusing article that posts criteria for a liberal to be on the FoxNews payroll:
  1. Lost an election recently
  2. Funny-looking
  3. Not actually to liberal
  4. Jewish
Too much fun using your own tactics against you.
Let me know when I have used the tactics of "I'm right, your wrong".
I bet they still have clips on the MSNBC website, you don't watch MSNBC either?
I get majority of my news from multiple online sources. I don't watch more then an hour or so a week of TV.

The whole Wilson affair for instance, they still report that he debunked the Bush Administration and that they were out "to get him". Both wrong and they refuse to report the truth.
I didn't pay close enough attention to this story to comment accurately.
 
Are you purposefully avoiding the question?

Are you, you are making statements about FOX which it appears you have no firsthand knowledge of. If you watched FOX you wouldn't have to ask such an obvious question and it makes no sense to try and debate someone on a subject they have no knowledge of. So before I put in the time and effort to compile the list I'd like to know are you arguing from a stand point of knowledge or are you ignorant of the matter?

Let me know when I have used the tactics of "I'm right, your wrong".

Pretty regularly, and right here in this thread.

I get majority of my news from multiple online sources. I don't watch more then an hour or so a week of TV.

So you don't even watch FOX and you think you are in a position to characterize and criticize them?
 
Stinger is hands down the biggest defender of Faux News on this site which leads me to believe one of two things:

Either,

1. Stinger has major stockholdings in FoxNews corp.

or

2. Stinger's real identity is Dick Cheney

Anyone want to wager which it is?
 
The best evidence is that which you discover for yourself, so start watching FOX and then you will see for yourself.

So you're unable to support your assertion in this debate? That's a de facto concession. Glad you finally agree with me.

Not at all, it is perfectly appropriate to use a comparative example to demonstrate a point.

The problem is that it doesn't demonstrate your point. Your point is that "Fox news isn't biased". Comparing it to MSNBC is irrelevant to that point.

You would know if you watched it, do you?

I watch it. I haven't seen any liberal hosts. So name them for us.

I bet they still have clips on the MSNBC website, you don't watch MSNBC either?

If you're not going to support your assertions then don't assert them in the first place.

Are you, you are making statements about FOX which it appears you have no firsthand knowledge of. If you watched FOX you wouldn't have to ask such an obvious question and it makes no sense to try and debate someone on a subject they have no knowledge of. So before I put in the time and effort to compile the list I'd like to know are you arguing from a stand point of knowledge or are you ignorant of the matter?

Compile a list? How hard is it to name two or three liberal Fox hosts? If you watch Fox so much why can't you just think of them off the top of your head and post them? It'd take like a second.
 
Stinger is hands down the biggest defender of Faux News on this site which leads me to believe one of two things:

Either,

1. Stinger has major stockholdings in FoxNews corp.

or

2. Stinger's real identity is Dick Cheney

Anyone want to wager which it is?

3. Delusional :mrgreen:
 
Stinger is hands down the biggest defender of Faux News on this site which leads me to believe one of two things:

Shouldn't the truth be defended?

Either,

1. Stinger has major stockholdings in FoxNews corp.

or

2. Stinger's real identity is Dick Cheney

Anyone want to wager which it is?
1. Either Disney has been brainwashed by the liberal media

or

2. He so opposes hearing a fair and balanced view which usually shows the fallacy of the left he can only engage in demagogy of FOXNEWS.

See we both can just post those little juvenile quips can't we, or discuss the issue.

Right now on FOX an even handed debate of the immigration issue, not just endless Bush bashing as on bias'd MSM.

And the hard news broadcast, best in the business.

Why you guys think trashing FOXNews adds credence to the MSNBC's and CNN's is truly amazing.
 
3. Delusional :mrgreen:

Watching tonight, everything I've stated holds true, Fox gives both sides of the issue, you decide. Your having to use invectiveness only shows I'm on more solid ground here.
 
Watching tonight, everything I've stated holds true, MSNBC gives both sides of the issue, you decide. Your having to use invectiveness only shows I'm on more solid ground here.

I can make claims and not back them up too!
 
Bush said Saddam was a imminent threat

That was certainly the picture Mr. Bush painted. And if you didn't watch FOX news so much Stinger, you would know that.


MSNBC is crap also, but I believe this thread is about FOX.
 
You can always tell which threads are dominated by liberals...they have zero substance...just personal attacks, juvenile fallacies and irrational contradictions.

I've been going back through the posts to get back to a substantive central point, but there isn't one. Just liberals aimlessly taking arbitrary and invalid pot shots at a station for deviating from the norm to show multiple sides of the issue.
 
Case in point:

That was certainly the picture Mr. Bush painted. And if you didn't watch FOX news so much Stinger, you would know that.

Liberals are the only ones who refuse to grasp it. Terror-sponsors who've used WMD to commit genocide and have tried to assassinate US presidents should be treated as a threat, an imminent one.
 
You can always tell which threads are dominated by liberals...they have zero substance...just personal attacks, juvenile fallacies and irrational contradictions.

You mean like that? :rofl

You are too easy man. Too easy.
 
Moderator's Warning:
There's enough partisan bickering and name-calling by both liberals and conservatives, here. It ceases now, or consequences will ensue. Get back to the topic.
 
show multiple sides of the issue.

The consensus amongst even the slightest bit objective individual is that FOX is strictly one sided. I’m not sure I could even make a claim that FOX has an idealogical bias, their bias seems to have much more to do with blind cheerleading for the Republican party than promoting some coherent set of beliefs.

Liberals are the only ones who refuse to grasp it. Terror-sponsors who've used WMD to commit genocide and have tried to assassinate US presidents should be treated as a threat, an imminent one

Liberals huh? So about 70% of the US is "liberal" now, I guess.

Furthermore, my post was in response to Stinger who stated that Bush never said Saddam was an imminent threat.

Saddam was not an imminent threat to the US. Al Qaeda certainly was and is. Too bad that group is still actively carrying out attacks on our allies, plotting attacks against us, and releasing video and audio every couple of months threatening us – 6 years after 9/11.

Had we focused all the resources and energy we are using in Iraq for nation building against al Qaeda and other similar Islamic militant groups, the WOT would be as good as over by now.
 
The consensus amongst even the slightest bit objective individual is that FOX is strictly one sided. I’m not sure I could even make a claim that FOX has an idealogical bias, their bias seems to have much more to do with blind cheerleading for the Republican party than promoting some coherent set of beliefs.

Sure, among liberal individuals, furious that multiple sides of the issue are being reported, sure.

Every time I watch something on that station there are Democrat guests (often multiple ones), liberal views, etc.

I cannot say the same about CNN or MSNBC. What I'm use to on those stations is significant partisan omissions (especially with Olbermann and Blitzer) and moderate Democrats arguing against extreme Democrats with the entire conservative side left out.

Liberals huh? So about 70% of the US is "liberal" now, I guess.

No, but they are being misinformed by liberals...the Democrats who didn't have to be elected, known as journalists...the ones who ignore WMD finds, count the days and bodies since Bush declared the invasion over as if he had been prematurely declaring the rebuilding complete, report only from the 1% triangle of the country that has the trouble, trash our troops, and misrepresent the Iranian-Syrian campaign of terrorism inside Iraq as a popular Iraqi revolt against the U.S.

Saddam was not an imminent threat to the US.

False.

Al Qaeda certainly was and is.

True.

Too bad that group is still actively carrying out attacks on our allies, plotting attacks against us, and releasing video and audio every couple of months threatening us – 6 years after 9/11.

So if we remove two threats simultaneously or if the one who attacked us on 9/11 still has any capacity to attack us while we're fighting a war to destroy their infrastructure, then it was wrong to eliminate the 2nd threat.

Um....nope.

If liberals wanted better progress against Al Queda they shouldn't have let them attack our troops with impunity for nearly a decade and then started referring to the war in Afghanistan as a "quagmire" and comparing it to Vietnam only 3 weeks in.

Something seems a wee bit insincere about the people who oppose national defense at every turn being offended that members of Al Queda (the group liberals helped put on the map by retreating from them in Somalia) still exist.

Had we focused all the resources and energy we are using in Iraq for nation building against al Qaeda and other similar Islamic militant groups, the WOT would be as good as over by now.

Says the party that started referring to the war in Afghanistan as a "quagmire" and comparing it to Vietnam only 3 weeks in. Whatever allows you to oppose national defense at the moment, I guess.
 
Saddam was a terror-sponsor

Which terrorists did they sponsor?

who had used WMD to commit genocide for political gain

What does this have to do with being a threat to the US?

and who tried to kill one of our presidents.

False. See the other thread that this is being discussed. Read Hersch's article.

After 15 years of failed diplomacy and in a post-9/11 world, you don't leave someone like him in power.

So he wasn't a threat; you just don't like him.

And what does "someone like him" mean? What about others that are like him? Why doesn't the US take them out? Because they're allies with them. Your entire perception is based on false premises.
 
Watching tonight, everything I've stated holds true, MSNBC gives both sides of the issue, you decide. Your having to use invectiveness only shows I'm on more solid ground here.

I can make claims and not back them up too!

You've been doing it all along.

But the fact remains anyone who watches both would clearly see that FOX indeed presents both sides of the issue in both their hard news and opinion segments.
 
The consensus amongst even the slightest bit objective individual is that FOX is strictly one sided.

Only those with a liberal partisian slant could ever come to that conclusion. It's the left that want to shut down discourse and a fair viewing of all sides of the issues as demonstrated by even this thread and now how the liberal candidates are engaging in McCarthism to try and shut down FOX.

I’m not sure I could even make a claim that FOX has an idealogical bias, their bias seems to have much more to do with blind cheerleading for the Republican party than promoting some coherent set of beliefs.

Which of course is not true as any fair viewing of FOX would demonstrate. That they even show a conservative opinion along side the liberal opinion just drives you guys on the left bonkers because when a fair viewing is presented the fallacy of the liberal mindset is exposed



Liberals huh? So about 70% of the US is "liberal" now, I guess.

No about 30%.

Furthermore, my post was in response to Stinger who stated that Bush never said Saddam was an imminent threat.

Which is a factual statement and if you watched a fair and balanced news presentation ala FOX you would know that.

Saddam was not an imminent threat to the US.

HEY maybe you did watch FOX or at least listened to what the Bush administration actually said and not what MSNBC told you they said.



Had we focused all the resources and energy we are using in Iraq for nation building against al Qaeda and other similar Islamic militant groups, the WOT would be as good as over by now.

Where on earth do you get that idea, or the belief we have not gone after al Qaeda? You need more FOX time in your viewing allotment.
 
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