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Fox & Friends Hosts GOP Lawmaker To Push Myth That More Guns Deter Crime

independent_thinker2002 said:
Do you know that guy almost shot the guy who was holding the gun after it was taken away from the shooter? Kudos to him for not firing. I'm not sure everyone would take the extra second to assess the situation though. Like you say, you don't rise to your expectations, but fall to the level of your training.
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So you have two examples of the latter here.....


Carrying a concealed weapon is not an easy thing. folks who choose to, I think are more aware of the choice they make....
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
So you have two examples of the latter here.....


Carrying a concealed weapon is not an easy thing. folks who choose to, I think are more aware of the choice they make....
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I would tend to agree generally as it stands now. But if we greatly expanded that number I think we would see that awareness decrease. People are also trained to drive cars. Far too many are careless and reckless in doing so.
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
I would tend to agree generally as it stands now. But if we greatly expanded that number I think we would see that awareness decrease. People are also trained to drive cars. Far too many are careless and reckless in doing so.
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I don't think anyone is arguing that we should greatly expand the number of legal gun owners. we are arguing that we shouldn't greatly reduce that number.

IOW:

arguing against stricter/more gun laws =/= arguing in favor of fewer/looser gun laws
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
I would tend to agree generally as it stands now. But if we greatly expanded that number I think we would see that awareness decrease. People are also trained to drive cars. Far too many are careless and reckless in doing so.
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I like Utah's model.... I have a Utah CCW. I got it in NJ....

charge 65 bucks, certify NRA or other instructors on minimum requirments, make applicant pass test, send proof of id, certification from instructor, and there you go...


It's good, in 28 or so states.... I'm hoping for a federal law one of these days.
 
OscarB63 said:
I don't think anyone is arguing that we should greatly expand the number of legal gun owners. we are arguing that we shouldn't greatly reduce that number.

IOW:

arguing against stricter/more gun laws =/= arguing in favor of fewer/looser gun laws
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I was approaching this from the premise that more guns equal less crime.

America has more guns than Canada. We have far more criminals behind bars than they do though.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
You do know one of the tuscon tacklers was carrying that day.... I don't think CCW types are as "gung ho" as you think or are made to believe...
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So some basic fundamental football skills could save the day:2razz:
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
I was approaching this from the premise that more guns equal less crime.

America has more guns than Canada. We have far more criminals behind bars than they do though.
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we also have far more people than they do.
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
I'm all for CCW if people have the level of training that you do.

The problem is that the average urban commando isn't going to consider where that first shot that misses will go.
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Street punks know that urban commandos are armed and ready, so they won't **** with them and the urban commando won't have to fire a round, at all.

Peace through superiror fire power.
 
OscarB63 said:
we also have far more people than they do.
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Even per capita, we blow them away. (No pun intended. Please don't shoot Canada. :mrgreen:)
 
apdst said:
Street punks know that urban commandos are armed and ready, so they won't **** with them and the urban commando won't have to fire a round, at all.

Peace through superiror fire power.
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If a .22 is already pointed at your head, your .44 magnum in your holster isn't really superior anymore. Those punks will learn to shoot you in the head from behind and then rob you.
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
I was approaching this from the premise that more guns equal less crime.

America has more guns than Canada. We have far more criminals behind bars than they do though.
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Our demographics are way different. Canada doesn't have 30 million illegal aliens running around.
 
apdst said:
Street punks know that urban commandos are armed and ready, so they won't **** with them and the urban commando won't have to fire a round, at all.

Peace through superiror fire power.
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they sure are.....



Dangerous Camden Lays off Cops, Firefighters - CBS News


CBS News Correspondent Jim Axelrod reports some suspected drug dealers have already been seen in the Camden area with T-shirts that have Tuesday's date - 1-18-11 - and the words "it's our time."
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and it's illegal for ME to carry a gun there.
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
If a .22 is already pointed at your head, your .44 magnum in your holster isn't really superior anymore. Those punks will learn to shoot you in the head from behind and then rob you.
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Well, you can, "what if", this to death.

Here's another, "what if", for yuz: I see the assailant cmoing my way and I get to piece, first and I got my gun stuck in his grape.

If that same punk comes up to you, sticks his .22 in your temple and you're unarmed, you ****ed and that ain't no, "what if".
 
apdst said:
Our demographics are way different. Canada doesn't have 30 million illegal aliens running around.
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You could remove the illegals from the equation and we would still have greater numbers.
 
apdst said:
Well, you can, "what if", this to death.

Here's another, "what if", for yuz: I see the assailant cmoing my way and I get to piece, first and I got my gun stuck in his grape.

If that same punk comes up to you, sticks his .22 in your temple and you're unarmed, you ****ed and that ain't no, "what if".
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Are you going to pull your gun on every suspicious person who walks your way?
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Actually that dood is one brave mother****er.... Camden is a **** hole. It's sole purpose is to make that **** hole philly look like beverly hills.
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:rofl:rofl:rofl
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
Are you going to pull your gun on every suspicious person who walks your way?
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No, but when he goes for his gun and I get mine out first, then he's ****ed. When he pulls his on you and you don't have a gun, you're ****ed, no what if's involved.
 
-chuckles- well we've made progress, we've determined that armed or unarmed, you could still be shot.

Here is My thinking on this, first .. no matter what sort of firearms law you pass, you are never going to take firearms from the criminals. So what you end up with is an armed criminals and unarmed law abiding citizens, I'm not sure about anyone else, but that just doesn't give me a warm fuzzy feeling.

The choice is really simple, armed you have some chance, and I don't care how slim that chance may be, it's better then “NO” chance.

Here a question, as of 2006 .. we have approx. 800,000 law enforcement personal in the US. Lets do this, lets remove 800,000 guns from our gun numbers, and have them do their job unarmed, would that make anyone here feel any safer? After all that is 800,000 guns off the streets, and thus violent crime should be reduced right ??
 
You have the rest of your life to win a gun fight.
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Yep, and like any other law abiding citizen, I hope and pray it will never come to that. However should in the unlikely event it ever does, I would like to know I'm more then just a target for someone else.
 
The Barbarian said:
Yep, and like any other law abiding citizen, I hope and pray it will never come to that. However should in the unlikely event it ever does, I would like to know I'm more then just a target for someone else.
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exactly, I post that from time to time, for years now, you are the first to get it right off the bat...



Whether you arm yourself or not, if someone is shooting at you, you are in a gun fight, and have the rest of your life to win it. Choose wisely.
 
Well thank you

I'm just of the opinion that we would be better off making and passing laws that help keep guns out of the hands of criminals, rather then out of the hands of the 90% of people that willingly abide by our laws.
 
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