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No, the military does nto fit classic definitions of socialism, but does behave much like what those who call Obama a socialist complain about. I think this is a valid point. When Bill Kyrstal of the Weekly Standard pronounces the military health care as the best in the world and sings its praises, but then calls any civilian system that would mimic it as substandard, you have to question his logic. And you ahve to question others who mirror that type of thinking.
No, the military does nto fit classic definitions of socialism, but does behave much like what those who call Obama a socialist complain about. I think this is a valid point. When Bill Kyrstal of the Weekly Standard pronounces the military health care as the best in the world and sings its praises, but then calls any civilian system that would mimic it as substandard, you have to question his logic. And you ahve to question others who mirror that type of thinking.
The problem is the military and veterans make up a small percentage of the population and people already complain about how expensive it is. There was already a debate not too long ago about significantly raising the cost of healthcare for vets.
The military is the way it has to be to perform its role if we ran the government like the military people would hate it.
If what I have read is true, our miltary is the largest in the world. Bigger than all others combined, I thought I read.
The problem is the military and veterans make up a small percentage of the population and people already complain about how expensive it is. There was already a debate not too long ago about significantly raising the cost of healthcare for vets.
The military is the way it has to be to perform its role if we ran the government like the military people would hate it.
Especially since military healthcare sucks.
So sorry to hear about your grandbaby Utah. I hope she does well.
Oh man...I was with you until you went there.
If what I have read is true, our miltary is the largest in the world. Bigger than all others combined, I thought I read.
If that's true, I have to wonder, "When will enough be enough?"
If what I have read is true, our miltary is the largest in the world. Bigger than all others combined, I thought I read.
If that's true, I have to wonder, "When will enough be enough?"
I am a veteran so I have a right to say this. The war machine (defense industry) is big money that lines the pockets of American politicians. Their propaganda money is on convincing you and I that our military budgets cannot be cut back even at the expense of education, healthcare, infrastructure, etc. Hands off the military.
So, how many times bigger than Russia and China does our military need to be? 2 times? 5 times? 20 times? 100 times?
What say ye?
Others have said it is great. Which one is it?
Others have said it is great. Which one is it?
Especially since military healthcare sucks.
The one where I have to wear an ankle brace for the rest of my life because I wasn't allowed to get x rays, due to terrible medical practice from the only PA on post, no doctor, just a PA, with no oversight, tasked with caring for an entire battalion, and three detached companies.
Others have said it is great. Which one is it?
I am a liberal. I support a strong military. NPs head just exploded.
And I was wondering when and where your experience happened? From what I have seen military medical has been improving greatly in the last decade or so, particularly when we our here in this country.
I have seen some bad, but mostly good....during my active duty days with military docs, and after with VA docs.
a friend from my GTMO days had a back issue, the navy docs didn't do much early on, LSS he is now in a wheelchair, after they finally removed the tumor that was causing his issues. It was an Air Force doc he saw on leave that did the correct diagnosis...
Another friend had about everything you can imagine, he was quite the survivor....cancer, artery issues, heart issues, etc. and finally pancreatic cancer, and even then he lasted another year...the VA took good care of him.
It helps to be persistent, and perhaps to go to a civilian doctor at your own expense if your life depends on it...at least for the diagnosis.
Sad thing for some vets, and retirees, there was a time that they were denied their promised "healthcare for life". My older brother, 8 years older, had to file bankruptcy after being denied care for him and his wife. In one year they spent far more on civilain docs than they could ever pay for. He was retired Air Force at the time. IIRC, it took a supreme court deliberation to get congress to stop mistreating our vets...
The one where I have to wear an ankle brace for the rest of my life because I wasn't allowed to get x rays, due to terrible medical practice from the only PA on post, no doctor, just a PA, with no oversight, tasked with caring for an entire battalion, and three detached companies.
Depends on your experience. I don't think it's bad at all. This Post-9/11 generation is benefitting greatly from the Vietnam generation that was screwed royally and since they largely run the programs today. That generation is taking care of this one. The only thing that is a pain in the ass is the bureacracy of getting it sometimes (long lines, waiting times on phones, paperwork, etc). There's also the generic brand medications, but considering that it's free it's a good deal.
The way I see it (different generation) I voluntarily signed a contract and I was paid every two weeks for twenty years for the privelege. The VA is busting its ass to make sure the government comes through with its repercusion obligations. And while something like PTSD (as an example) was never on a contract, the soldier shooting up a market store makes it a government obligation to community as well. But I don't expect my diapers to be changed. That's what marriage is for.
Best medical mind I ever worked with was a PA.
Worse Doctor I ever worked with was at U of I hospitals and Clinics.
Biggest asshole was at Mercy Hopsital in Iowa City.
Of the three, I'd only let the PA touch me. Glad I have more than those three choices, even at the VA.
If either of them can prove to me what risk to national defense Afghanistan, Syria, North Korea, Iran, or whatever hole they want to send me to is, then I will check the box in that category of their being personally vetted by me. I still wouldn't vote for either after that, but I think we're speaking strictly military related stuff here so I won't bring that stuff up. Until then, Ron Paul's getting a write in vote from me.
This guy was a moron. Army medical is good, as long as you're stationed at a large post, with a big budget. If you're stuck on a small, underfunded, hole in the wall post, you also get stuck with bottom of the barrel medical care.
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