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For or Against the war?

Are you for or against the war?

  • For the war?

    Votes: 36 48.6%
  • Against the war?

    Votes: 38 51.4%

  • Total voters
    74
FinnMacCool said:
The Middle East's worst invention. . .ever. . .Now that I think about it the Middle East is personally responsible for me failing math last year. I changed my mind. nuke em lol.

:lamo I'm inclined to agree. That one would have been better off undiscovered.
 
hawk2 said:
I fully support the war in Iraq......I'm retired military.....I volunteered for duty in Vietnam because I believed it was a noble cause to stop the spread of communism if we could. I did not agree with the way the war was fought by McNammara and his band of nitwits who sat aound a big table drinking coffee while they decided how many AF pilots they would kill that day through stupid targeting.....but this is for another day.

The War in Iraq was the next step after Afghanistan simply because we could not afford to let al Queda move to Iraq and set up training bases just as Zargawi did in Northern Iraq. Yes, I know all about the flawed thinking that says Saddam would never agree with the tactics of bin Laden but they could unite against a common enemy......the USA. We could not allow that to happen

I also agree that there is a great need to support and help create governments that will allow self determination in the middle east. Their form of democracy will not look like ours......but allowing people to vote on their leaders and to have influence over their destiny is a worthwhile objective. Bush has that vision and he has three more years to make it work.......I think he will be vindicated before his term is up.

I must support the war in Iraq and the other actions that Bush is taking because I would have responded in exactly the same manner, and would probably have made the same mistakes........consequences of a war of any magnitude can never be predicted with any certainty, therefore mistakes are inevitable.

:memorial_ and i salute you for your service to our country.
those of us that serve and go to places like Iraq and Afghanistan do so because its what we believe in not because we have to but because we want to. not because we like killing, not because we want to spreed fear, because we want to represent our country in a proud manner and stand of for the people that cant stand up for their selfs.

i was told a story by some one i served with. he told me you know why we aren't sent on UN missions, why they wont put some one from the UN in charge of American troops? i sead no, why? he sead their was one mission i went on, i believe it was panama not for sure, we where their with UN troops and we where told not to assoceat with the locals. wile we where on guard, it was US troops and some UN troops, a local woman was close by getting raped, she yelled for help, the UN troops didn't budge they stood their ground, not the US troops though they went and stoped the guy that was raping her. needless to say the UN commander that was their tried, and i emphasize tried, he to jump on the US troops but their commander wasn't going to have it, he told him my troops aren't going to sit their and let some woman get raped, they know what is right and they did the right thing.

things like that are what we stand for do the right thing when no one else will we will fight for those that cant fight back, we take pride in our country and we take pride in our service to that country.

One of the best feelings is to have some one find out your military come up shake your hand and tell you thank you. i know times where diffrent back during Nam when you came home you had people spiting and cursing at you for serving your country, but times have changed and from one soldier to another i say thank you.
 
[quote from skabanger13]and i salute you for your service to our country.
those of us that serve and go to places like Iraq and Afghanistan do so because its what we believe in not because we have to but because we want to. not because we like killing, not because we want to spreed fear, because we want to represent our country in a proud manner and stand of for the people that cant stand up for their selfs.[/quote]

Thanks skabanger13.......sounds as though you are still in and doing your duty.
I would like to shake your hand and say thanks. The guys that are in Iraq and Afghanistan are absolutely awesome and make me proud to be an American.

You brought up a point about UN troops who will not stop rapes and other crimes.......I've heard those stories before and I find it revolting to think that any human wearing a uniform which stands for justice, would stand by idly and let crimes happen. American troops will never allow crimes like that to happen. I will ignore anyone who says differently, and I acknowledge that there will always be the rare individual, who, even in the American military will turn into an animal when the opportunity is presented.

BTW.....what have you heard about the operation recently where Iraqi troops with American backup captured about 350 bads guys and killed another 150, while taking over a town in western Iraq. The American Commander was a Col. McMasters and I caught the tail end of his briefing from Iraq to the Pentagon, on FOX news on, I think, tues and wed., of this week. Of course there will no mention of it on the Mainstream Media because it was "good news". They got a lot of local help and they were very successful with very light casualties on our side. I can't remember the name of the town so I need some help here.
 
A list of contributions by the Middle East:

1. Agriculture
2.Domestication of Animals
3.Beginning of cities
4.monumental architecture
5.The wheel
6.Glass
7.Concrete and Abstract Counting
8.Writing and the Alphabet

Im not talking about that type of contributions. I am talkiing about humanitarian aid and other aid and contributions in genocides and wars accross the world and its modern history. They are too indweeled into their religion to think of other people. In the katrina aftermath I havent heard of one ME country except for Israel, jordan, united arab emirates, and saudis(and btw the contribution was very minimal)that contributed to katrina or what about the tsunamis? Im sure they were generous to give money and other aid to their support.
 
Thanks skabanger13.......sounds as though you are still in and doing your duty.
I would like to shake your hand and say thanks. The guys that are in Iraq and Afghanistan are absolutely awesome and make me proud to be an American.

You brought up a point about UN troops who will not stop rapes and other crimes.......I've heard those stories before and I find it revolting to think that any human wearing a uniform which stands for justice, would stand by idly and let crimes happen. American troops will never allow crimes like that to happen. I will ignore anyone who says differently, and I acknowledge that there will always be the rare individual, who, even in the American military will turn into an animal when the opportunity is presented.

BTW.....what have you heard about the operation recently where Iraqi troops with American backup captured about 350 bads guys and killed another 150, while taking over a town in western Iraq. The American Commander was a Col. McMasters and I caught the tail end of his briefing from Iraq to the Pentagon, on FOX news on, I think, tues and wed., of this week. Of course there will no mention of it on the Mainstream Media because it was "good news". They got a lot of local help and they were very successful with very light casualties on our side. I can't remember the name of the town so I need some help here.

Thanks too hawk and skabanger for the great service and wise posts.
 
The Middle East's worst invention. . .ever. . .Now that I think about it the Middle East is personally responsible for me failing math last year. I changed my mind. nuke em lol.
Today 09:59 PM
Kelzie You forgot algebra
I'm inclined to agree. That one would have been better off undiscovered.

See I told you people, :rofl . Now mabe if you can have an open mind about other issues lol.

Well the overall sentiment to nuking is coming around :lol:
 
hawk2 said:
BTW.....what have you heard about the operation recently where Iraqi troops with American backup captured about 350 bads guys and killed another 150, while taking over a town in western Iraq. The American Commander was a Col. McMasters and I caught the tail end of his briefing from Iraq to the Pentagon, on FOX news on, I think, tues and wed., of this week. Of course there will no mention of it on the Mainstream Media because it was "good news". They got a lot of local help and they were very successful with very light casualties on our side. I can't remember the name of the town so I need some help here.

not sure its heard to try and get good news about the military and such from the liberal media, theirs a site I'm trying to get ahold of that has good news about Iraq and our military stores and pictures, mission stuff and stuff with our soldiers helping build schools in stuff in towns that have never had them. if i can find the link ill post it.
 
not sure its heard to try and get good news about the military and such from the liberal media, theirs a site I'm trying to get ahold of that has good news about Iraq and our military stores and pictures, mission stuff and stuff with our soldiers helping build schools in stuff in towns that have never had them. if i can find the link ill post it.

swweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet.
 
Well the overall sentiment to nuking is coming around

Let's start a new poll. Who thinks we should nuke the middle east? You have some very good arguments for the reasons why the middle east should be nuked.
 
FinnMacCool said:
Let's start a new poll. Who thinks we should nuke the middle east? You have some very good arguments for the reasons why the middle east should be nuked.

Ah yes. The ever so popular "let's do it for the environment" theory. :lol:
 
posting of posative sites iv found

http://www.defendamerica.mil/
check out the why i serve part

http://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com/2004_05_01_iraqthemodel_archive.html
thers some good stuff on hear

http://www.pbase.com/kburch/the_picture_from_iraq_you_wont_see_in_the_news
And theres another good positive site

http://msnbc.msn.com/Default.aspx?id=3868110&p1=0
Yet another one, A mother who actually respects her sons memory and isnt letting his heroism mean nothing


http://www.operationiraqichildren.org/schoolsupplies.asp
Wow it sure looks like these kids want us out of Iraq!


http://www.blackfive.net/main/2004/12/love_is_stronge.html
this one is deffently up lifting

hears a few links for yall injoy, i hope yall like this if you do ill find some more to link.
 
Let's start a new poll. Who thinks we should nuke the middle east? You have some very good arguments for the reasons why the middle east should be nuked.

Ah yes. The ever so popular "let's do it for the environment" theory.

And again I am not an overcrazed nuke fanatic, and in no way do I want to hurt those who are innocent and good in this world. But if we can help mother earth an get rid of this fanaticism and its craddle of harbor and funding then I think why in the hell not? I mean its an option that we should look at. Just like the option of not invading iraq was to be looked at too.

How about another poll? Should we nuke N. Korea? How do you even make a poll? I can only figure out how to make a thread. :rofl
 
I am in the army and i am for this war and any other war because there are too many people in this world and wars have an added effect of reducing the population until the end of the war then it shoots up more than it was at the begining of the war. in other words im a soldier and wars are job security.
 
I am in the army and i am for this war and any other war because there are too many people in this world and wars have an added effect of reducing the population until the end of the war then it shoots up more than it was at the begining of the war. in other words im a soldier and wars are job security.

Yes, but wars can only be fought when there is a valid reason to. Such as freeing people or removing dictators or prohibiting genocide. And yes they do permit job security but they can also permit death. I knwo this because I have indirectly brought death to literally thousands. I was a weapons ordinance logistics specialist in the navy. All those tomohawks, sidewinders and other similar ordinance was provided by me.
 
SKILMATIC said:
And again I am not an overcrazed nuke fanatic, and in no way do I want to hurt those who are innocent and good in this world. But if we can help mother earth an get rid of this fanaticism and its craddle of harbor and funding then I think why in the hell not? I mean its an option that we should look at. Just like the option of not invading iraq was to be looked at too.

How about another poll? Should we nuke N. Korea? How do you even make a poll? I can only figure out how to make a thread. :rofl

Oh my god, I thought you were joking. The environmental effects of nuclear bombs are worse than combustible engines.
 
Oh my god, I thought you were joking. The environmental effects of nuclear bombs are worse than combustible engines.

No there not. Combustible engines when there are many which there are are far much worse than any nuclear ordinance. It will be just the area that is affected by radiation that is going to be affected enviornmentally. But this will literally stop all combustible engines due to no more oil. So that in itself will make up for the ME area being severely damaged.
 
SKILMATIC said:
No there not. Combustible engines when there are many which there are are far much worse than any nuclear ordinance. It will be just the area that is affected by radiation that is going to be affected enviornmentally. But this will literally stop all combustible engines due to no more oil. So that in itself will make up for the ME area being severely damaged.

Yes they are. Nuclear explosions release thousands of tons of nitrous oxide into the atmosphere. Which is why we no longer test our explosives above ground.
 
Yes they are. Nuclear explosions release thousands of tons of nitrous oxide into the atmosphere. Which is why we no longer test our explosives above ground.

Do you even know what NO2 is? All nitrous is is a combustible gas. And it doesnt relese nitrous in the air becasue in the eve of a nuclear explosion it will burn it all. Therefore it will be dispensed immediately but what will be released after the explosion are halocarbons.

Btw nitrous is what I use in drag racing. So again I know all about nitrous
 
SKILMATIC said:
Do you even know what NO2 is? All nitrous is is a combustible gas. And it doesnt relese nitrous in the air becasue in the eve of a nuclear explosion it will burn it all. Therefore it will be dispensed immediately but what will be released after the explosion are halocarbons.

Btw nitrous is what I use in drag racing. So again I know all about nitrogen oxides.

Oh, for sure. Well, you use nitrogen dioxide for drag racing, so that must mean you know what will happen in a nuclear explosion.

:lol: Here's a good article on the effects of nuclear explosions. As it's rather lenghty, here's the relevant part, oh expert on nitrogen oxides:

"The high temperatures of the nuclear fireball, followed by rapid expansion and cooling, cause large amounts of nitrogen oxides to form from the oxygen and nitrogen in the atmosphere (very similar to what happens in combustion engines). Each megaton of yield will produce some 5000 tons of nitrogen oxides. The rising fireball of a high kiloton or megaton range warhead will carry these nitric oxides well up into the stratosphere, where they can reach the ozone layer. A series of large atmospheric explosions could significantly deplete the ozone layer. The high yield tests in the fifties and sixties probably did cause significant depletion, but the ozone measurements made at the time were too limited to pick up the expected changes out of natural variations."
 
Look the fact is all gases will be dispensed becasue a nuclear explosion is too hot. A nuclear explosion will leave the affected area about 10,000degrees Farenheit. So its easy to say that all nitrous gases will be combusted. And engines give off way more NX than any single nuke. Just count the amount of NX gases have been produced from the engines of cars, planes, tractors and so on and that is more NX gas produce in the history if the engine than several nuclear bombs exploding. Thats a fact. We have one bomb that will decimate the whole region of the ME. And the gas emission will be very slim. Basically the only thing that will be left is very hot temperatures and radiation. Thats it.
 
SKILMATIC said:
Look the fact is all gases will be dispensed becasue a nuclear explosion is too hot. A nuclear explosion will leave the affected area about 10,000degrees Farenheit. So its easy to say that all nitrous gases will be combusted. And engines give off way more NX than any single nuke. Just count the amount of NX gases have been produced from the engines of cars, planes, tractors and so on and that is more NX gas produce in the history if the engine than several nuclear bombs exploding. Thats a fact. We have one bomb that will decimate the whole region of the ME. And the gas emission will be very slim. Basically the only thing that will be left is very hot temperatures and radiation. Thats it.

I tell ya what. You find me one source that says nuclear explosions don't harm the environment, and I'll believe you.
 
The Question should be, DO YOU SUPPORT THE WAY THE WAR IS BEiNG,RUN !
That is a much better question !
 
JOHNYJ said:
The Question should be, DO YOU SUPPORT THE WAY THE WAR IS BEiNG,RUN !
That is a much better question !

well of course mistakes are going to be made, it could be going better, but hind sight is 20/20. wear actually not doing that bad if you look at how long we've been their, if you compare it to any other war thats gone on as long the losses are but a fraction of the past wars, that being sead the loss of 1 soldier is very sad, but we make the sacrifices to stand up for what we believe.
 
skabanger13 said:
well of course mistakes are going to be made, it could be going better, but hind sight is 20/20. wear actually not doing that bad if you look at how long we've been their

Not doing that bad? O man, nearly 2,000 of our service personell dead. I thought the mission was "accomplished?" Why the **** are we still there?
 
It is pointless and stupid war. It's only purpose is make money for Bush's Favorite companies. We need to stop this Bushshit and start fighting the war on terrorism.:eek:

In our no child left behind mentality, The bush administration and others have discoverd the secret. Make the tests easier and easier. I have heard that in some places, there is only one question. Who is the current President of the United States?

they give you an hour to complete the test and tell the students that the answer starts with the letter B and ends with an H. Still most future Right Wing Republicans get it wrong. :doh
 
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