Floyd the rest of the story.

[RealityNow]

That's clearly false.

Floyd's death will likely be found in trial to be self-inflicted, caused by an "invisible" combination of his multiple drug overdose, serious heart condition, and heightened anxiety at his situation.

Chauvin was not putting all that much pressure on Floyd's neck, and the knee-to-neck procedure is sanctioned by the department, so it was already tested to be non-lethal.

Floyd's death may look to all cellphones pointed at the scene like Chauvin did it, when in actuality the "invisible" killer is to blame.

Let's see if we can get the police to put their knee on your neck, and see how you fare...

 

[RealityNow]

Maybe .. but what if we find out the mild knee-to-neck procedure simply didn't choke off one of the two carotid arteries?

What if we eventually learn Floyd died of a multiple drug overdose coupled with his serious heart condition coupled with his heightened anxiety for having been caught in the act of committing a crime and apprehended?

If a police department sanctioned maneuver to subdue a suspect exists to prevent harm to both the suspect and the officers, it's likely already been cleared to be non-fatal.

Even if Chauvin accidentally pressed too hard and it shut off the flow of blood to the carotid artery on that that side of Floyd's neck, the redundant function carotid artery on the other side of Floyd's neck simply would not have been shut off and would have continued to function, supplying blood to the same places in the brain as the other artery does.

I think the knee-to-neck procedure is being way erroneously presented by BLM and the left. It functions to help with the restraint of the suspect, mostly by discouraging the suspect.

The other two officers were holding Floyd down and this had a discouraging effect too -- they didn't have to hold him down hard, and they didn't.

While they waited for the ambulance, because Floyd clearly exhibited erratic behavior possibly caused by a drug overdose that needed medical attention, the "invisible" killer, the multiple drug overdose, Floyd's serious heart condition, and Floyd's heightened anxiety, is what likely killed him.

But Chauvin and the knee-to-neck procedure are caught in all the cellphone videos, not the actual "invisible" killer.

And this gives both Chauvin and the police department's knee-to-neck procedure a false description and assessment.

I think the knee-to-neck procedure should be retained until it's proven that the procedure itself is potentially fatal.

I'd sure hope you find yourself in a situation with a Policeman's knee on your neck... then come back and tell us... what you think... Maybe they should do the choke hold on you first, before they sling you to the ground and get that knee on that neck.. Because white people like you will spin bull**** until it happen to you personally.

 

[Ontologuy]

You aren’t a trained medical examiner and you damned sure don’t know more than the one who performed the autopsy and ruled Floyd’s death a murder.

The two autopsy conclusions were different, and only one called it a "murder" for certain. The different conclusions were the result of framing by a combination attorney's who hired the medical conclusion people so that subsequent civil cases could be heard and the fear of BLM outrage at the time.

The real truth will come out during the Chauvin trial, and if justice is served the killer will be concluded to be Floyd's multiple drug overdoses, coupled with his severe heart condition, coupled with his heightened anxiety at being caught in the act of a crime and apprehended.

 

[TheParser]

They will never get a murder conviction if the jury isn't hand picked BLM supporters.

1. We are all adults.

2. We know that the facts in this case do not matter.

3. We know the officers are going to prison.

4. We know that no jury would dare acquit them, especially the one who allegedly is responsible for the gentleman's death.

5. If the jury acquitted him, they would not be safe.

6. The resulting riots would make all the other riots pale in comparison.

7. If a jury did acquit them, de facto President Harris's DOJ would arrest them on some federal charge. And they would be tried again and again until the desired decision were reached.

 

[Ontologuy]

Your observations are idiotic on their face. Floyd was very clearly not in medical distress at the time the officers pulled him from his vehicle. Floyd didn’t begin to show any signs of medical distress until after Chauvin pressed his knee into Floyd’s neck.

Those are the facts.

No, those are not the facts, obviously.

They are your personal bias.

 

[Acadia]

The proof is Floyd wasn’t dead until Chauvin put his knee on Floyd’s neck for nearly 9 minutes (the last almost three minutes after Floyd stopped breathing).

Seriously, how can people be so utterly ignorant of even the basic facts and still feel competent to opine?

post hoc, ergo propter hoc

 

[Ontologuy]

The whole world saw the Video!!! of Floyd being KILLED !!!

No, they didn't.

They were told by BLM that that's what they saw.

But that's likely not what they saw.

What they couldn't have seen with a cellphone is the likely "invisible" killer of Floyd: 1) his multiple illegal drug overdose he suffered at the time, 2) his severe heart condition, and 3) his heightened anxiety at having been caught in the act of committing a crime and being apprehended.

The "whole world" simply didn't at all see what they were told they saw.

And that's why we have, hopefully, blind justice in Chauvin's upcoming trial, where, if justice prevails, he will not be convicted of murder or anything close to it.

 

[Acadia]

Podcast discusses in detail.

Who Killed George Floyd? | RADIO.COM


Who Killed George Floyd?
Monday, August 17th
Who really killed George Floyd? Tara walks you through new info that shows Floyd might not have been murdered at all, but was instead the victim of a drug overdose. From the autopsy to the toxicology report to newly leaked body cam footage, a more detailed picture is emerging of the final hour of George Floyd's life, and it is very different from the one most Americans have seen in the media. An election could hinge on the truth.


They will never get a murder conviction if the jury isn't hand picked BLM supporters.

Trump haters will automatically reject your opinion here because so much of what the Democrats are trying to do hinges upon the belief that Floyd was murdered by cops, and that this is just symptomatic of this horrible, xenophobic, "colonist", European, WHITE, misogynistic, racist, homophobic and capitalist country called America.
But I think people should look at all the facts, including and especially the training which was deployed by the MN police officers, Floyd's medical condition and consumption of lethal-levels of drugs. Because the cop will not be convicted of 2nd-degree murder. That does not exonerate him in the death of Floyd. It is overcharging to sate an angry mob, in a Presidential election year.
Buckle up for when the verdict does does deliver, because the Left is going to attempt more of what they're doing now, except worse. Much worse.
I only hope Trump wins and the verdict comes down AFTER his re-election, because I think he won't hesitate to employ Federal resources to protect people and property.

 

[RealityNow]

No, they didn't.

They were told by BLM that that's what they saw.

But that's likely not what they saw.

What they couldn't have seen with a cellphone is the likely "invisible" killer of Floyd: 1) his multiple illegal drug overdose he suffered at the time, 2) his severe heart condition, and 3) his heightened anxiety at having been caught in the act of committing a crime and being apprehended.

The "whole world" simply didn't at all see what they were told they saw.

And that's why we have, hopefully, blind justice in Chauvin's upcoming trial, where, if justice prevails, he will not be convicted of murder or anything close to it.

You sound like you were trained by Guiliani .... or is there a close relationship ?.... especially for anyone to who would say something so stupid.

 

[Ontologuy]

Never said it was brutality of any kind, but I disagree, anyone who believes they are dying is going to be a little wild, he was not doing anything untoward at all, he knew he was possibly dying and was asking for help, in a way. police need to pay better attention to this sort of thing and get the person help in a situation like that. certainly the drugs killed floyd but when a person is saiyng they cannot breathe, use your damn humanity , i dont care if criminals lie about it and it might take a little longer to process the call, it is your obligation for taking on the job.

The quote I previously presented to you is clearly why the police don't listen to the words of the suspect, they observe the suspect. Observing Floyd from the time he was approached in his own car to when he refused to sit in the police car, all the while saying he couldn't breathe but clearly was able to talk, and walk, and resist arrest, and put a lot of effort into not follow police instructions .. all the while he was breathing .. understandably led the officers to conclude he wasn't as distressed breathing-wise as he was letting on.

All observed video facts of the matter considered, I find no fault in the police for not capitulating to let Floyd control the situation regarding his allegations of not being able to breathe.

The police did call for an ambulance when they likely realized that Floyd's drug overdose that they perhaps thought prevented his compliance needed attention.

There's not more they could have done given the exact details of the situation -- they had no valid reason to listen to Floyd's complaint when Floyd's behavior contradicted what Floyd was saying.

 

[VanceMack]

George Floyd was a douchebag. He was not the saint he was portrayed as. He was according to the evidence released on drugs. He was responsible for getting dragged out of the police car. He bore the responsibility for whatever physical contact occurred between himself and the police.

And he was killed.

Regardless of his drug use, or even an overdose, the fact remains that the police officer charged with his murder held his knee on his neck for several minutes AFTER he lost consciousness. You want to call that negligent homicide...fine...but the cop killed the man.

 

[Ontologuy]

Let's see if we can get the police to put their knee on your neck, and see how you fare...

Meaningless veiled ad hominem.

 

[Ontologuy]

I'd sure hope you find yourself in a situation with a Policeman's knee on your neck... then come back and tell us... what you think... Maybe they should do the choke hold on you first, before they sling you to the ground and get that knee on that neck.. Because white people like you will spin bull**** until it happen to you personally.

Meaningless ad hominem diatribe, completely off topic.

 

[Logical1]

He didn't die of asphyxiation, he died of the blood flow to the brain being cut off. The cop was kneeling on the side of his neck, not his throat.
If that cop had knelt on a dog's neck for eight minutes, listening to it whimper and feeling it twitch, until it eventually died you guys would all be howling for blood.

That is the latest lie the racist left has come up with, since the suffocation thing has been debunked. The autopsy would show that that is a lie also.

 

[Triton]

If anyone thinks BLM is solely about George Floyd at this point, then they are legally stupid. He was just the final straw.

 

[RealityNow]

No, they didn't.

They were told by BLM that that's what they saw.

But that's likely not what they saw.

What they couldn't have seen with a cellphone is the likely "invisible" killer of Floyd: 1) his multiple illegal drug overdose he suffered at the time, 2) his severe heart condition, and 3) his heightened anxiety at having been caught in the act of committing a crime and being apprehended.

The "whole world" simply didn't at all see what they were told they saw.

And that's why we have, hopefully, blind justice in Chauvin's upcoming trial, where, if justice prevails, he will not be convicted of murder or anything close to it.

People like you... are the reason why so many people have such distrust for (some types of) white people, even,liberal minded white people don't trust white people other white people who say stuff like you post.

 

[Ontologuy]

You sound like you were trained by Guiliani .... or is there a close relationship ?.... especially for anyone to who would say something so stupid.

And again another off-topic ad hominem. :roll:

 

[Acadia]

The quote I previously presented to you is clearly why the police don't listen to the words of the suspect, they observe the suspect. Observing Floyd from the time he was approached in his own car to when he refused to sit in the police car, all the while saying he couldn't breathe but clearly was able to talk, and walk, and resist arrest, and put a lot of effort into not follow police instructions .. all the while he was breathing .. understandably led the officers to conclude he wasn't as distressed breathing-wise as he was letting on.

All observed video facts of the matter considered, I find no fault in the police for not capitulating to let Floyd control the situation regarding his allegations of not being able to breathe.

The police did call for an ambulance when they likely realized that Floyd's drug overdose that they perhaps thought prevented his compliance needed attention.

There's not more they could have done given the exact details of the situation -- they had no valid reason to listen to Floyd's complaint when Floyd's behavior contradicted what Floyd was saying.

Remember this. It will be a pivotal point during the trial.

Understanding Excited Delirium: 4 Takeaways for Law Enforcement

The officers were trained in observing and recognizing "excited delerium".
The officers were trained in how to react to suspects displaying signs of ed.
The officers placed Floyd in the recovery position for his safety, based on their observations of his display of ed.

 

[RealityNow]

Meaningless ad hominem diatribe, completely off topic.

call it what you want.... I hope you soon have the experience!!! then, come back and post about. We'll wait!!!

 

[RetiredUSN]

That's blatantly false.

They did not have "all their weight on the man". Look at the video again -- they're not putting much pressure on him.

Though he might have been laying on his stomach, Floyd's head was turned to the side, so Chauvin's mild pressure on his neck likely didn't choke off the artery on that side, but even if it did, and Floyd suffered from a condition called "tortuous carotid artery disease", meaning the flow was seriously inhibited all the time in Floyd's carotid, the artery on the other side wasn't receiving any pressure and was flowing just fine. The carotid artery on each side of the neck is a redundant system, each supplying to all parts of the brain.

No, what killed Floyd is a combination of Floyd's multiple drug overdose, his serious heart condition, and his heightened anxiety from being caught in a criminal act and apprehended. This is the "invisible" killer that killed Floyd.

Just because cellphones and faux uproar made it look to the easily seduced that Chauvin killed Floyd, doesn't make it so.

During Chauvin's trial it will likely become quite clear that the "invisible" killer killed Floyd.

He was begging for air.

They should have sat him up as they were trained to do.

They murdered him.

They had all their weight on him.......only their toes were touching the ground.

 

[Ontologuy]

George Floyd was a douchebag. He was not the saint he was portrayed as. He was according to the evidence released on drugs. He was responsible for getting dragged out of the police car. He bore the responsibility for whatever physical contact occurred between himself and the police.

And he was killed.

Regardless of his drug use, or even an overdose, the fact remains that the police officer charged with his murder held his knee on his neck for several minutes AFTER he lost consciousness. You want to call that negligent homicide...fine...but the cop killed the man.

No, the evidence in the officer cams doesn't support that Chauvin killed Floyd.

The cellphone cameras pointed at Chauvin couldn't see the most likely killer, the "invisible" killer, that being the combination of Floyd's multiple illegal drug overdose, his severe heart condition, and his heightened anxiety from being caught in the act of committing a crime and being apprehended.

That's what likely killed him.

The knee-to-neck procedure is police department sanctioned to subdue an out-of-control suspect in a manner that he won't harm others or be harmed himself (by taser or gun). Such a procedure had already been determined to be non-lethal.

Looks can be deceiving .. and, in this case, they likely are.

 

[Logical1]

Laying him on his stomach with a knee to his neck killed him.

He couldn't breath and the had all their weight on the man.

It was murder.

BS!!!!!!!!!!!! The video and the autopsy prove that he in effect killed himself with bad health, fighting the police, and drugs.

 

[Ontologuy]

If anyone thinks BLM is solely about George Floyd at this point, then they are legally stupid. He was just the final straw.

Floyd was not BLM's "final straw".

Floyd was BLM's "THIS, if we frame it right, will get our people to riot in the streets so we Marxists can destablize America and begin to take power".

 

[Ontologuy]

People like you... are the reason why so many people have such distrust for (some types of) white people, even,liberal minded white people don't trust white people other white people who say stuff like you post.

And again, more ad hominems, sans any rational cogent on-topic stipulation. :roll:

 

[Triton]

Floyd was not BLM's "final straw".

Floyd was BLM's "THIS, if we frame it right, will get our people to riot in the streets so we Marxists can destablize America and begin to take power".

What evidence is there that this is the case?