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Floyd the rest of the story.

The proof is Floyd wasn’t dead until Chauvin put his knee on Floyd’s neck for nearly 9 minutes (the last almost three minutes after Floyd stopped breathing).

Seriously, how can people be so utterly ignorant of even the basic facts and still feel competent to opine?

Remember, these are the same people that claim that Dondon and his whole crew are pure as the driven snow.
 
Floyd was in grave distress long before Chauvin touched him.
“Grave distress”? What exactly do you mean by that?

Nothing in any video, or even the ME’s autopsy indicated “grave distress”.
 
But... but it is a podcast by some random person!

I get it, reading the transcripts and the autopsy is beyond your abilities . So go back to Wolf Blitzer.
 
From what I have read most police department have a protocol to get a person off their back and sitting/standing once handcuffed. I see nothing in the vid that Floyd was struggling with the police once he was on his stomach and handcuffed.

The number of officers on him when he was prone is an over reaction.
As to your first sentence, the officers tried, but Floyd resisted sitting in the police car.

Floyd asked the officers to let him lie down, and the officers finally complied, and since Floyd refused to be in the police car they let him lie down outside the car on the ground.

But because Floyd wasn't secured in the car with the car doors closed, the officers needed to stay on him outside.

Floyd got what he wanted, to lie down. Maybe he struggled less for that reason .. or maybe because three officers were holding him to a degree it merely appeared he was struggling less.

But there were three officers, one at his feet, one at his waist torso, and Chauvin at his neck with the knee. Look at the video -- none of them are putting a ton of weight on Floyd, including Chauvin.

Clearly, holding a suspect down who had been exhibiting wild noncompliance with arrest is standard procedure so that the suspect doesn't bolt and attack/run. One officer putting mild restraint on Floyd at three different positions is not at all an "over reaction".

Three officers applying the called-for amount of pressure in the situation is designed to prevent harm to both the suspect and the officers.

Clearly Floyd's death was self-inflicted by his multiple drug overdose coupled with both his serious heart condition and his heightened anxiety at being apprehended for a serious crime.
 
“Grave distress”? What exactly do you mean by that?

Nothing in any video, or even the ME’s autopsy indicated “grave distress”.

The quantity of drug in him plus his existing health conditions. He stated he couldn't breathe long before he asked to be placed on the ground. If you can't listen to the podcast
just continue to be clueless.
 
The proof is Floyd wasn’t dead until Chauvin put his knee on Floyd’s neck for nearly 9 minutes (the last almost three minutes after Floyd stopped breathing).

Seriously, how can people be so utterly ignorant of even the basic facts and still feel competent to opine?
Your observation is illogical.

Just because the three officers were holding him down when he died doesn't mean they killed him. There was the "invisible" killer doing its work: Floyd's multiple illegal drug overdose coupled with Floyd's serious heart condition coupled with Floyd's heightened anxiety at having been caught in the act of a serious crime and apprehended.

While the officers were appropriately subduing Floyd, the "invisible" killer was .. killing him.
 
Podcast discusses in detail.

Who Killed George Floyd? | RADIO.COM


Who Killed George Floyd?
Monday, August 17th
Who really killed George Floyd? Tara walks you through new info that shows Floyd might not have been murdered at all, but was instead the victim of a drug overdose. From the autopsy to the toxicology report to newly leaked body cam footage, a more detailed picture is emerging of the final hour of George Floyd's life, and it is very different from the one most Americans have seen in the media. An election could hinge on the truth.


They will never get a murder conviction if the jury isn't hand picked BLM supporters.

Laying him on his stomach with a knee to his neck killed him.

He couldn't breath and the had all their weight on the man.

It was murder.
 
Listen to the podcast. Floyd killed himself. The mob destroyed Minneapolis for nothing. At the DNC convention they are still pumping out the great lie.
And, sadly, if enough people believe the lie, great atrocities can be perpetrated on the innocent, like in late 1930s and early 1940s NAZI Germany.
 
The proof is Floyd wasn’t dead until Chauvin put his knee on Floyd’s neck for nearly 9 minutes (the last almost three minutes after Floyd stopped breathing).

Seriously, how can people be so utterly ignorant of even the basic facts and still feel competent to opine?

We are asking that of you. Being heavily invested in Floyd and BLM you need a dirty white cop.
 
The transcripts and autopsy report. I understand you need CNN to think for you. You need an excuse to justify your burning and looting cities all across America.
Pull your head out of your ass. This thread isn’t about “burning and looting cities across America”. It is about the unlawful killing of a citizen by a police officer.

Unlike you, I use multiple proven reliable and trusted sources, including the ME’s report in this case. There is no new news.
 
Yes, it's not surprising that BLM got the whole narrative wrong .. again.

After viewing both of the leaked officer cams it's crystal clear that George Floyd's death is self-inflicted.

Three officers were holding Floyd down, one at his feet, one at his waist and lower torso, and Chauvin with mild pressure on his neck with his knee. None of this standard police department procedure is lethal in and of itself.

Floyd's multiple drug overdose coupled with his anxiety of being caught in the act of a crime and arrested, is the likely cause of death.

Here's more detail of my observations leading to my conclusion that Floyd's death was self-inflicted: https://www.debatepolitics.com/law-and-order/414452-more-body-cam-footage-george-floyd-cases.html#post1072487512.
You aren’t a trained medical examiner and you damned sure don’t know more than the one who performed the autopsy and ruled Floyd’s death a murder.
 
like i have always said about this, the officer should have taken better care of Floyd or any suspect they have in custody when he is yelling he cannot breathe. that was where the officer was at fault, I am not sure what crime that is, if it is one, but that is where police need better training, and that training is ALL they need. maybe having non violent type of responder on the scene automatically would be a good idea going forward, but this rioting and chaos, is NOT a good thing for advancing the cause. Black lives do matter, but look at the damn situation with logic first, second and always.

defunding the police is going to hurt people, allowing rioting is going to hurt people, that is not the answer to these issues.
It's important to remember the following regarding Floyd's allegation that he couldn't breathe: https://www.debatepolitics.com/law-and-order/414452-more-body-cam-footage-george-floyd-cases.html#post1072487512
George Floyd began to complain about not being able to breathe when he was standing by his car after the officers finally got him out of his car. He continued to complain about not being able to breathe as he was escorted to the police car. Floyd continued to complain about not being able to breathe when he was standing by the police car. He complained about not being able to breathe when he was in the backseat of the police car. Yet, all this time, he was obviously breathing. Likely his drug overdoses coupled with his anxiety for being caught and apprehended in the act of a serious crime was what compromised his breathing, assuming he wasn't lying, and it's reasonable for officers to presume he might be lying, given that he was surely breathing all this time.

Criminals often make the kind of excuses Floyd was making to hope that they can cause the officers to relax from their restraining of the criminal so that the criminal can bolt up and attack or run. Thus officers are trained to not pay attention to these kinds of excuse makings, and rightly so. So the officers rightly ignored Floyd's "pleas", observing that Floyd could talk and walk and that the duress Floyd was stating did not match his physical abilities demonstrated at the moment.

I agree with you about BLM going off all riotous and "defund the police" is not the answer to any valid question.

I disagree that the police could have taken better care of Floyd. They did not manifest brutality or racism in attempting to subdue a wildly out of control suspect in noncompliance with officer commands.

The three officers who kept Floyd from bolting when he was lying on the ground were not putting significant pressure on him.

What most likely killed Floyd was his multiple drug overdose coupled with his serious heart condition and his heightened anxiety caused by being caught in the act of a crime and apprehended.
 
The quantity of drug in him plus his existing health conditions. He stated he couldn't breathe long before he asked to be placed on the ground. If you can't listen to the podcast
just continue to be clueless.
Calling you clueless would be complimentary. Fact is, you have deliberately chosen to be wrong.
 
Your observation is illogical.

Just because the three officers were holding him down when he died doesn't mean they killed him. There was the "invisible" killer doing its work: Floyd's multiple illegal drug overdose coupled with Floyd's serious heart condition coupled with Floyd's heightened anxiety at having been caught in the act of a serious crime and apprehended.

While the officers were appropriately subduing Floyd, the "invisible" killer was .. killing him.
Your observations are idiotic on their face. Floyd was very clearly not in medical distress at the time the officers pulled him from his vehicle. Floyd didn’t begin to show any signs of medical distress until after Chauvin pressed his knee into Floyd’s neck.

Those are the facts.
 
By the time this goes to trial it will be difficult to find supporters of the organization Black Lives Matter (BLM) because of all the unjustified bullying, rioting, looting, assaulting, and murdering committed by BLM's rank and file in our citites' streets the past few months.

The great majority of Americans oppose BLM's bullying, rioting, looting, assaulting, and murdering.

And, quite a number of previous leftists have begun to #WalkAway from obvious Marxist BLM's attempted take-over of America.

None of which has anything to do with the trial of Chauvin. Unless you're going to climb aboard the corrupt trial conspiracy bandwagon.
 
It would take one that stupid to convict on murder. Hopefully the trial won't be a kangaroo trial. It's been tried by CNN & MSNBC and the whores at the DNC.

Damn you live in a corrupt country. Most Americans live in a pretty good country but a hand full of you conspiracy types live in a corrupt ****hole.
 
More a technical question, but who think that Chauvin's defense attorney will NOT ask for a change in venue?
I think if a change in venue is not granted, it would be grounds for an appeal.
Whatever county they move to, will have vastly different demographics.
 
ok well, then imo the manual about knees on the neck and how to take care of a subdued perp need to change.
Maybe .. but what if we find out the mild knee-to-neck procedure simply didn't choke off one of the two carotid arteries?

What if we eventually learn Floyd died of a multiple drug overdose coupled with his serious heart condition coupled with his heightened anxiety for having been caught in the act of committing a crime and apprehended?

If a police department sanctioned maneuver to subdue a suspect exists to prevent harm to both the suspect and the officers, it's likely already been cleared to be non-fatal.

Even if Chauvin accidentally pressed too hard and it shut off the flow of blood to the carotid artery on that that side of Floyd's neck, the redundant function carotid artery on the other side of Floyd's neck simply would not have been shut off and would have continued to function, supplying blood to the same places in the brain as the other artery does.

I think the knee-to-neck procedure is being way erroneously presented by BLM and the left. It functions to help with the restraint of the suspect, mostly by discouraging the suspect.

The other two officers were holding Floyd down and this had a discouraging effect too -- they didn't have to hold him down hard, and they didn't.

While they waited for the ambulance, because Floyd clearly exhibited erratic behavior possibly caused by a drug overdose that needed medical attention, the "invisible" killer, the multiple drug overdose, Floyd's serious heart condition, and Floyd's heightened anxiety, is what likely killed him.

But Chauvin and the knee-to-neck procedure are caught in all the cellphone videos, not the actual "invisible" killer.

And this gives both Chauvin and the police department's knee-to-neck procedure a false description and assessment.

I think the knee-to-neck procedure should be retained until it's proven that the procedure itself is potentially fatal.
 
Podcast discusses in detail.

Who Killed George Floyd? | RADIO.COM


Who Killed George Floyd?
Monday, August 17th
Who really killed George Floyd? Tara walks you through new info that shows Floyd might not have been murdered at all, but was instead the victim of a drug overdose. From the autopsy to the toxicology report to newly leaked body cam footage, a more detailed picture is emerging of the final hour of George Floyd's life, and it is very different from the one most Americans have seen in the media. An election could hinge on the truth.


They will never get a murder conviction if the jury isn't hand picked BLM supporters.

Some white people are so ****ed up, they buy this bull****.... They think they can pull the same crap they did during Jim Crow and Slavery Times, of claiming people just ran up to a tree and hung themselves, or they just set themselves on fire and poured tar and feather over their body, or they just hung themselves and cut off body parts while they were dangling.

Speak of "Savages" these type of people who float this bull****... demonstrate even in the 21st Century they will do anything, and nothing of vile can be put past them as to what they will do.

All they are doing is continuing to tell the World, NOT to Respect and Certainly DON'T believe anything that comes out of the mouth of right winger and racist minded types of white people.

Keep talking, already Countries don't want dumb asses like these right wing types traveling to their country, so they had to ban All Americans, because there Right Winger and Bigoted Cult Members are too stupid to wear a face mask. But they damn sure like their Pointed Hat Hoods...

The whole world saw the Video!!! of Floyd being KILLED !!!

Never Trust ANYTHING that come out of Right Winger Bigots Minds and Mouth.... is going to be the New Global Message.
 
He was helped into the arms of Death by an officer choking him out and one that did not let paramedics treat Floyd initially.

It might just be manslaughter... but either way the cop is guilty as **** for Floyd's death.
That's clearly false.

Floyd's death will likely be found in trial to be self-inflicted, caused by an "invisible" combination of his multiple drug overdose, serious heart condition, and heightened anxiety at his situation.

Chauvin was not putting all that much pressure on Floyd's neck, and the knee-to-neck procedure is sanctioned by the department, so it was already tested to be non-lethal.

Floyd's death may look to all cellphones pointed at the scene like Chauvin did it, when in actuality the "invisible" killer is to blame.
 
“Grave distress”? What exactly do you mean by that?

Nothing in any video, or even the ME’s autopsy indicated “grave distress”.
That's purely false -- his behavior indicated he was in considerable distress.

Multiple autopsy findings agreed that Floyd was both on a multiple drug overdose and had a serious heart condition.

When you add the heightened anxiety he suffered from being caught in the act of a crime and apprehended, clearly those three are the "invisible" killer that took Floyd's life.

The conclusions of multiple autopsies are in conflict, and are all made in political-financial bias for subsequent civil cases.

The truth will come out when Chauvin is put on trial .. and the truth will clearly show the "invisible" killer I just presented killed Floyd, if justice is served.
 
The whole choking story doesn't make sense. The first and official autopsy stated that he didn't die of asphyxiation. I'll grant that the officer used bad judgement, (and maybe he should have been charged with a lesser crime) but there has never been any proof that points toward a murder charge. The DA is blatantly pandering to the lowest common denominator.

In other words, the DA is imitating Trump.
 
It's important to remember the following regarding Floyd's allegation that he couldn't breathe: https://www.debatepolitics.com/law-and-order/414452-more-body-cam-footage-george-floyd-cases.html#post1072487512

I agree with you about BLM going off all riotous and "defund the police" is not the answer to any valid question.

I disagree that the police could have taken better care of Floyd. They did not manifest brutality or racism in attempting to subdue a wildly out of control suspect in noncompliance with officer commands.

The three officers who kept Floyd from bolting when he was lying on the ground were not putting significant pressure on him.

What most likely killed Floyd was his multiple drug overdose coupled with his serious heart condition and his heightened anxiety caused by being caught in the act of a crime and apprehended.

Never said it was brutality of any kind, but I disagree, anyone who believes they are dying is going to be a little wild, he was not doing anything untoward at all, he knew he was possibly dying and was asking for help, in a way. police need to pay better attention to this sort of thing and get the person help in a situation like that. certainly the drugs killed floyd but when a person is saiyng they cannot breathe, use your damn humanity , i dont care if criminals lie about it and it might take a little longer to process the call, it is your obligation for taking on the job.
 
Laying him on his stomach with a knee to his neck killed him.

He couldn't breath and the had all their weight on the man.

It was murder.
That's blatantly false.

They did not have "all their weight on the man". Look at the video again -- they're not putting much pressure on him.

Though he might have been laying on his stomach, Floyd's head was turned to the side, so Chauvin's mild pressure on his neck likely didn't choke off the artery on that side, but even if it did, and Floyd suffered from a condition called "tortuous carotid artery disease", meaning the flow was seriously inhibited all the time in Floyd's carotid, the artery on the other side wasn't receiving any pressure and was flowing just fine. The carotid artery on each side of the neck is a redundant system, each supplying to all parts of the brain.

No, what killed Floyd is a combination of Floyd's multiple drug overdose, his serious heart condition, and his heightened anxiety from being caught in a criminal act and apprehended. This is the "invisible" killer that killed Floyd.

Just because cellphones and faux uproar made it look to the easily seduced that Chauvin killed Floyd, doesn't make it so.

During Chauvin's trial it will likely become quite clear that the "invisible" killer killed Floyd.
 
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