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Florida scam operation being investigated by FBI, Whitaker was a senior officer

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Another wonderful example of Trump 'hiring the very best people', turns out Whitaker was part of a massive scam operation.


Seriously needs to step down as acting AG and allow how it was supposed to be done be done ( deputy AG gets the gig
or someone that has had prior Senate approval and experience ) , and Trump needs to learn to vet his people. You'd think that after a couple of years, a schmucktangle of indictments, he'd learn it by now.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/fbi-is...whitaker-was-advisory-board-member-1541799564

The Federal Bureau of Investigation is conducting a criminal investigation of a Florida company accused of scamming millions from customers during the period that Matthew Whitaker, the acting U.S. attorney general, served as a paid advisory-board member, according to an alleged victim who was contacted by the FBI and other people familiar with the matter.
 

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On CNN they were saying that Whitaker was Jared's pick. More great advice from the secret genius.....
 

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Another wonderful example of Trump 'hiring the very best people', turns out Whitaker was part of a massive scam operation.


Seriously needs to step down as acting AG and allow how it was supposed to be done be done ( deputy AG gets the gig
or someone that has had prior Senate approval and experience ) , and Trump needs to learn to vet his people. You'd think that after a couple of years, a schmucktangle of indictments, he'd learn it by now.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/fbi-is...whitaker-was-advisory-board-member-1541799564

...and so the character assassination of another "enemy of the people" begins again. :roll:

I prefer to wait and see how much influence this "paid advisory board member" actually had on whatever alleged "scam" occurred before I pass judgement.

But that's just me I guess. :coffeepap:
 
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...and so the character assassination of another "enemy of the people" begins again. :roll:

I prefer to wait and see how much influence this "paid advisory board member" actually had on whatever alleged "scam" occurred before I pass judgement. :coffeepap:



At the very minimum, his judgement is in question, and whether or not he's qualified to be Acting AG.


I'm not the only one saying this.
 

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At the very minimum, his judgement is in question, and whether or not he's qualified to be Acting AG.


I'm not the only one saying this.

Just like we had to question Brett Kavanaugh because of baseless accusations by Christine Blasey Ford
 

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...and so the character assassination of another "enemy of the people" begins again. :roll:

I prefer to wait and see how much influence this "paid advisory board member" actually had on whatever alleged "scam" occurred before I pass judgement.

But that's just me I guess. :coffeepap:

Yeah, I understand. He was on the advisory board, but of course he didn't actually "know" about the wrongdoing. I mean how could he? He's a former U.S. Attorney so it certainly speaks to his qualifications as acting Attorney General of the United States of America, and head of the United States Department of Justice, that he wouldn't bother looking into the company he lent his name and reputation.
 

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Such is OFTEN part of the goal of character assassination.

Well, looking to a person's qualifications for Attorney General, such as his legal judgment, is OFTEN part of lots of things. One of them would be determining whether this person is in fact, you know, qualified to hold the top law enforcement job in the U.S.

It's kind of amazing that Trump picked a guy to among other things head up the FBI and who was on the advisory board of a company currently under criminal investigation by.....the FBI, and this same company has already settled with the FTC for $25 million!

Clearly he's got to be on anyone's list of the Best of the Best for this new job!
 

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Just like we had to question Brett Kavanaugh because of baseless accusations by Christine Blasey Ford

Well, the complaints against World Patent Marketing, Inc. aren't baseless. Here's the "STIPULATED ORDER FOR
PERMANENT INJUNCTION AND MONETARY JUDGMENT" involving the company and FTC: https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/wpm-judgment.pdf

Essentially FTC shut down the company and ordered it and Cooper to pay a fine of about $26 million.

And it's the WSJ reporting a criminal FBI investigation into the same company, and that he was a paid advisory board member. That last is easily proven. Here's a Yahoo story highlighted by WPM about Whitaker (from Wayback machine) here: https://web.archive.org/web/20150322015340/https://worldpatentmarketing.com/about

https://web.archive.org/web/2015030...blican-candidate-united-states-173400896.html

MIAMI BEACH, Fla., Oct. 23, 2014 /PRNewswire/ -- Matthew G. Whitaker is a former US Attorney for the Southern District of Iowa. He was appointed June 15, 2004 by President George W. Bush. Whitaker resigned in November 2009 following the appointment and confirmation of Nicholas A. Klinefledt, who was appointed by President Barack Obama.

"World Patent Marketing has become a trusted partner to many inventors that believe in the American Dream," said Matt Whitaker in a statement, "I have always admired World Patent Marketing and its innovative products and dynamic leadership team. It's an honor to join the World Patent Marketing board."
 

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I dont like guilt by association....Too low class.......show me that

1) something really bad happened at this company when he was there [plus]

2) that he either knew or should have known.

If and when you get that then we will move on to discussion on what if anything needs to be done.




We have to get back to some standards around here.

We used to be better.
 

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I dont like guilt by association....Too low class.......show me that

1) something really bad happened at this company when he was there [plus]

2) that he either knew or should have known.

If and when you get that then we will move on to discussion on what if anything needs to be done.

What kind of evidence do you need? I posted a link to the FTC settlement just above yours and it includes a $26 million fine. The WSJ reports that FBI is criminally investigating them, so your 1) is easily demonstrated.

As to what he knew or should have known, what standard do you want to use? I'd think we'd expect the acting United States Attorney General to be held to a high standard, which would require him to engage in normal due diligence to guarantee that his good name and reputation as a former U.S. Attorney isn't being used in a scam, which it was. He clearly failed in that task.

We have to get back to some standards around here.

We used to be better.

Well, yes, you'd think we'd appoint someone as acting AG, and who heads the FBI, who wasn't on a paid advisory board of a company currently being criminally investigated by the FBI he now heads. It would also be nice if the acting AG and who took over the Mueller probe doesn't seem to have a singular actual qualification, which is a public opposition to the probe he now heads up.

So, yeah, returning to the bare minimum of standards that wouldn't make a tinpot dictator blush would be nice.
 

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What kind of evidence do you need? I posted a link to the FTC settlement just above yours and it includes a $26 million fine. The WSJ reports that FBI is criminally investigating them, so your 1) is easily demonstrated.

As to what he knew or should have known, what standard do you want to use? I'd think we'd expect the acting United States Attorney General to be held to a high standard, which would require him to engage in normal due diligence to guarantee that his good name and reputation as a former U.S. Attorney isn't being used in a scam, which it was. He clearly failed in that task.



Well, yes, you'd think we'd appoint someone as acting AG, and who heads the FBI, who wasn't on a paid advisory board of a company currently being criminally investigated by the FBI he now heads. It would also be nice if the acting AG and who took over the Mueller probe doesn't seem to have a singular actual qualification, which is a public opposition to the probe he now heads up.

So, yeah, returning to the bare minimum of standards that wouldn't make a tinpot dictator blush would be nice.

The standard as always is the reasonable person standard, which is usually determined by putting yourself in that position and deciding what you the good person would have done, and would have known.
 

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The standard as always is the reasonable person standard, which is usually determined by putting yourself in that position and deciding what you the good person would have done, and would have known.

I agree. He's a former U.S. Attorney, so a former federal prosecutor, and it would seem to me a 'reasonable person' in that position lending his name and reputation to an outfit would do the necessary due diligence to guarantee that they're not a scam. He didn't clear that low bar.

Just for example, he joined an "Advisory Board" that rarely if ever met, but that was advertised by the company as a valuable service to potential clients. That would seem to be a red flag....
 

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I agree. He's a former U.S. Attorney, so a former federal prosecutor, and it would seem to me a 'reasonable person' in that position lending his name and reputation to an outfit would do the necessary due diligence to guarantee that they're not a scam. He didn't clear that low bar.

Just for example, he joined an "Advisory Board" that rarely if ever met, but that was advertised by the company as a valuable service to potential clients. That would seem to be a red flag....

You seem to be missing how corrupt America is and has long been, I need to know a whole lot more, when societies collapse as we seem determined to do there are very few pure men.....expecting OLD SO AND SO to be pure is an unreasonable demand.
 

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Well, looking to a person's qualifications for Attorney General, such as his legal judgment, is OFTEN part of lots of things. One of them would be determining whether this person is in fact, you know, qualified to hold the top law enforcement job in the U.S.

It's kind of amazing that Trump picked a guy to among other things head up the FBI and who was on the advisory board of a company currently under criminal investigation by.....the FBI, and this same company has already settled with the FTC for $25 million!

Clearly he's got to be on anyone's list of the Best of the Best for this new job!
I can't imagine how his client org being by the FBI would not be a conflict for him directing the investigation! :doh
 

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Such is OFTEN part of the goal of character assassination. :roll:


Well, it would be "assassination" , as you put it, if it is not true.

But, if it is, and it does seem to be so, then it cannot be, and whoever is providing the info is doing our nation a great service.

You'd better get your facts straight.
 

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An appeal to popularity is no valid argument. :shrug:


By itself, but, if it is merely presented with another or other compelling facts, it's just dressing to the stronger argument in the rebuttal.


Therefore, your "shrug" was premature.
 

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Just like we had to question Brett Kavanaugh because of baseless accusations by Christine Blasey Ford


Who are "we"?

on "baseless actions..."
53 million people who voted in Tuesday's election disagree that the accusations were baseless, they believed her, and not him.
 

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Who are "we"?

on "baseless actions..."
53 million people who voted in Tuesday's election disagree that the accusations were baseless, they believed her, and not him.

Who people believe is irrelevant, the evidence shows beyond the shadow of a doubt she’s a liar who invented a claim against Kavanaugh for political reasons


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Yeah, I understand. He was on the advisory board, but of course he didn't actually "know" about the wrongdoing. I mean how could he? He's a former U.S. Attorney so it certainly speaks to his qualifications as acting Attorney General of the United States of America, and head of the United States Department of Justice, that he wouldn't bother looking into the company he lent his name and reputation.


It's kind of like that Trump has screwed american tax payers out of some 400 million bucks, Screwed investors out of millions, screwed contractors out of Millions, screwed Aberdeenshire Scotland villagers building his Golf Course, screwed many on his payroll, boffed a porn star while his newborn son, Barron, was just out of the womb from his newlywed wife, bragged about how he can walk in on teens dressing rooms while they are various stages of nudity at his pageant contests, bragging how he can get away with, because he is a celebrity, grabbing women's genitals without their consent, and a long litany items perpetrated by a much less than nice guy and a lot more of an incompetent buffoon prick, but we'll wait and see what he blurted out on TV tonight if it was true, or not.
 

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Well, looking to a person's qualifications for Attorney General, such as his legal judgment, is OFTEN part of lots of things. One of them would be determining whether this person is in fact, you know, qualified to hold the top law enforcement job in the U.S.

It's kind of amazing that Trump picked a guy to among other things head up the FBI and who was on the advisory board of a company currently under criminal investigation by.....the FBI, and this same company has already settled with the FTC for $25 million!

Clearly he's got to be on anyone's list of the Best of the Best for this new job!



Well, I don't think it is amazing at all, given Trump, himself, is a criminal.
 

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Another wonderful example of Trump 'hiring the very best people', turns out Whitaker was part of a massive scam operation.


Seriously needs to step down as acting AG and allow how it was supposed to be done be done ( deputy AG gets the gig
or someone that has had prior Senate approval and experience ) , and Trump needs to learn to vet his people. You'd think that after a couple of years, a schmucktangle of indictments, he'd learn it by now.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/fbi-is...whitaker-was-advisory-board-member-1541799564

This firm was involved in ripping off Vets, some of them disabled. Trump himself conned disabled Vets thru Trump U. Why does the GOP continue to support men who rip off our Veterans? Does the Right even care?
 

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Who people believe is irrelevant, the evidence shows beyond the shadow of a doubt she’s a liar who invented a claim against Kavanaugh for political reasons


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No, it does not. I don't know where you came up with that nonsense.
 

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This firm was involved in ripping off Vets, some of them disabled. Trump himself conned disabled Vets thru Trump U. Why does the GOP continue to support men who rip off our Veterans? Does the Right even care?

No! Of course they don't. They don't give a **** what these people do. American conservatives are the most unprincipled people on the planet.
 

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No, it does not. I don't know where you came up with that nonsense.

Two different statements of perjury, one about her second front door, one about Monica McLean and polygraph coaching, she failed to properly disclose McLean’s involvement in attempting to intimidate Leland Keyser, she said she was “100 percent sure it was Kav” even though someone else admitted to getting to second base with her in sworn testimony. She’s a liar.


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