Florida may soon ban asphalt shingles

[Safiel]

With insurance reaching ruinous levels in Florida, the State is looking at banning asphalt shingles, both for new construction and as a replacement for existing construction. All roofs would be required to be metal if the changes are made.

For Florida, I would agree with this. Metal is far more resilient, not to mention that metal roofs far outlast asphalt.

Yes, they are more expensive, but a one time expense of a metal roof would equate to decades of relief from increased insurance costs.

 

[countryboy]

With insurance reaching ruinous levels in Florida, the State is looking at banning asphalt shingles, both for new construction and as a replacement for existing construction. All roofs would be required to be metal if the changes are made.

For Florida, I would agree with this. Metal is far more resilient, not to mention that metal roofs far outlast asphalt.

Yes, they are more expensive, but a one time expense of a metal roof would equate to decades of relief from increased insurance costs.

Plus, asphalt shingles are made from eeeeeeee-vil fossil fuel.

 

[Lursa]

With insurance reaching ruinous levels in Florida, the State is looking at banning asphalt shingles, both for new construction and as a replacement for existing construction. All roofs would be required to be metal if the changes are made.

For Florida, I would agree with this. Metal is far more resilient, not to mention that metal roofs far outlast asphalt.

Yes, they are more expensive, but a one time expense of a metal roof would equate to decades of relief from increased insurance costs.

Can the state, energy, or insurance companies subsidize, provide low-interest loans, etc? What's the energy efficiency of metal roofs for a hot, sunny state?

 

[Safiel]

Can the state, energy, or insurance companies subsidize, provide low-interest loans, etc? What's the energy efficiency of metal roofs for a hot, sunny state?

Metal roofs are more energy efficient, reflecting, rather than absorbing, solar energy, so perfect for Florida in that aspect.

Insurance companies do offer substantial discounts for metal roofs.

 

[Lursa]

Metal roofs are more energy efficient, reflecting, rather than absorbing, solar energy, so perfect for Florida in that aspect.

Insurance companies do offer substantial discounts for metal roofs.

Good. But discounts isnt the same as $$ for replacements. At this point, they'll be denying people insurance that do not replace with metal, for ex.

 

[ataraxia]

Climate change is not real/not serious. It’s all just a Chinese hoax. Not sure why they feel compelled to do anything different.

But this is the first of many measures they will have to take. Most of it will probably fall on their kids and grandkids- so maybe that’s why they don’t care.

 

[Carjosse]

Plus, asphalt shingles are made from eeeeeeee-vil fossil fuel.

If Desantis hears that he will ban metal roofs as woke.

 

[mrjurrs]

Climate change is not real/not serious. It’s all just a Chinese hoax. Not sure why they feel compelled to do anything different.

But this is the first of many measures they will have to take. Most of it will probably fall on their kids and grandkids- so maybe that’s why they don’t care.

Based on your first sentence, why would anyone listen to anything afterword?

 

[Grand Mal]

But the entire American steel production has to be dedicated to building a 2,000 mile 30' wall on the southern border.
Oh, wait, steel can be bought on the world market but it'll be 25% to 100% more expensive due to tariffs.

 

[Grand Mal]

Climate change is not real/not serious. It’s all just a Chinese hoax. Not sure why they feel compelled to do anything different.

Raised ocean temperatures is a hoax? You sure?

But this is the first of many measures they will have to take. Most of it will probably fall on their kids and grandkids- so maybe that’s why they don’t care.

 

[EdwinWillers]

Plus, asphalt shingles are made from eeeeeeee-vil fossil fuel.

...and no doubt there was someone from the metal roof industry involved in the decision.

 

[TheDoctorWasIn]

...and no doubt there was someone from the metal roof industry involved in the decision.

Of course there was.

This is the world you guys built, after all.

Did you think no one else would learn the rules?

 

[DrewPaul]

Plus, asphalt shingles are made from eeeeeeee-vil fossil fuel.

I suspect metal fabrication uses a lot of evil fuel too...

 

[DrewPaul]

Of course there was.

This is the world you guys built, after all.

Did you think no one else would learn the rules?

So they should continue using asphalt to the tune of millions?

 

[EdwinWillers]

Of course there was.

This is the world you guys built, after all.

Did you think no one else would learn the rules?

WTH are you talking about, the "world we built???" Good grief, that makes no sense whatsoever and is just plain asinine.

 

[beefheart]

Metal works well, I have asphalt white shingles because Phoenix is a sunny hell hole for 5 months of the year, and you gotta reflect all you can.

 

[MamboDervish]

With insurance reaching ruinous levels in Florida, the State is looking at banning asphalt shingles, both for new construction and as a replacement for existing construction. All roofs would be required to be metal if the changes are made.

For Florida, I would agree with this. Metal is far more resilient, not to mention that metal roofs far outlast asphalt.

Yes, they are more expensive, but a one time expense of a metal roof would equate to decades of relief from increased insurance costs.

When roof shingles unzip in a hurricane, they are relatively benign as projectiles. When a metal roof takes flight in a hurricane, it can penetrate a home, take down a tree, or slice a person in half.

It isn't just the material, but the construction codes, proper installation, and regular building inspections that must be applied for metal roofs to optimize their superior performance.

 

[countryboy]

...and no doubt there was someone from the metal roof industry involved in the decision.

What? No way.

I'm not a roofer, but I do tile installations for a living. Back when I used to use cement board a little bit more often I would install it with roofing nails. There was a certain type of a nail that was supposedly higher quality that my fastener guy would sell me. They were literally Miami-Dade County specification nails. Probably a little lobbying going on there too, lol.

 

[countryboy]

Of course there was.

This is the world you guys built, after all.

Did you think no one else would learn the rules?

You mean like the GOP learned your rules this election, with early voting and ballot harvesting? Kind of like that?

 

[EdwinWillers]

What? No way.

I'm not a roofer, but I do tile installations for a living. Back when I used to use cement board a little bit more often I would install it with roofing nails. There was a certain type of a nail that was supposedly higher quality that my fastener guy would sell me. They were literally Miami-Dade County specification nails. Probably a little lobbying going on there too, lol.

Way.

I've been involved with the electrical trade for over 40 years - you take a look in any NEC Code book and see the list of individuals who are on the various code boards that make code decisions. I guarantee you'd be surprised to find out how many are in the manufacturing sector. But you get into the international codes - International Building Code, International Energy Code - and the list of companies and industries involved in making those decisions is very long indeed.

 

[countryboy]

Way.

I've been involved with the electrical trade for over 40 years - you take a look in any NEC Code book and see the list of individuals who are on the various code boards that make code decisions. I guarantee you'd be surprised to find out how many are in the manufacturing sector. But you get into the international codes - International Building Code, International Energy Code - and the list of companies and industries involved in making those decisions is very long indeed.

That's very true, I'm not sure it's an absolutely horrible idea though. Who better to specify materials than those who have the most expertise in manufacturing them? It's similar with the tile industry. There's no real building codes for tile installations (I mean, there are some, but most are antiquated and useless), but the Holy Bible of tile installation methodology is known as the TCNA Guide (Tile Council of North America), and the people who put that together are overwhelmingly the biggest manufacturers in the industry.

 

[EdwinWillers]

That's very true, I'm not sure it's an absolutely horrible idea though. Who better to specify materials than those who have the most expertise in manufacturing them? It's similar with the tile industry. There's no real building codes for tile installations (I mean, there are some, but most are antiquated and useless), but the Holy Bible of tile installation methodology is known as the TCNA Guide (Tile Council of North America), and the people who put that together are overwhelmingly the biggest manufacturers in the industry.

Not saying it's all bad, because there can be, and has been some good come of it - however, you also get a lot of nonsense coming out of it too.

One example is GFCI (ground fault circuit interrupters) outlets and breakers. Good thing, generally. But originally they were required only in certain areas, typically around kitchen and bathroom sinks/showers, etc. However, they're now required in lots of other places as well - and for other things - like now we have to GFI protect electric ranges. Huge added expense. How many people do you know are shocked by their kitchen range?

But another newbie is the AFCI outlet/breaker - arc fault circuit interrupters - designed to sense a loose connection, frayed lamp cord, etc. - been around for years now but the technology STILL doesn't work. The first few generations of AFCI devices would trip whenever you turned on or off a light switch. Just nasty, stupid, worthless devices that only add - like every regulation adds - more and more cost to an installation.

 

[Hari Seldon]

With insurance reaching ruinous levels in Florida, the State is looking at banning asphalt shingles, both for new construction and as a replacement for existing construction. All roofs would be required to be metal if the changes are made.

For Florida, I would agree with this. Metal is far more resilient, not to mention that metal roofs far outlast asphalt.

Yes, they are more expensive, but a one time expense of a metal roof would equate to decades of relief from increased insurance costs.

aoc... will not be happy. Seems appropriate.

 

[Hari Seldon]

Raised ocean temperatures is a hoax? You sure?

Raised ocean period.

 

[countryboy]

Not saying it's all bad, because there can be, and has been some good come of it - however, you also get a lot of nonsense coming out of it too.

One example is GFCI (ground fault circuit interrupters) outlets and breakers. Good thing, generally. But originally they were required only in certain areas, typically around kitchen and bathroom sinks/showers, etc. However, they're now required in lots of other places as well - and for other things - like now we have to GFI protect electric ranges. Huge added expense. How many people do you know are shocked by their kitchen range?

But another newbie is the AFCI outlet/breaker - arc fault circuit interrupters - designed to sense a loose connection, frayed lamp cord, etc. - been around for years now but the technology STILL doesn't work. The first few generations of AFCI devices would trip whenever you turned on or off a light switch. Just nasty, stupid, worthless devices that only add - like every regulation adds - more and more cost to an installation.

I can tell you've been around this for a while, because you still use the term GFI. I do as well, I can't get used to the GFCI. But yeah, GFI for the range? C'mon man, lol.

I do some light electrical. I'm not going to switch out a panel or anything, but I can run some circuits and install breakers and such. Tile guys are very familiar with devices on kitchen backsplashes, lol. I learned the hard way to tape them up while you have them out, wet sponges are extremely conductive.