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The big story: Florida Republican state officials continued to attack what they’re calling indoctrination in education. This time, they focused their attention on public colleges and universities.
In a news conference where he also touched on textbooks and Twitter, Gov. Ron DeSantis announced he would sign into law a measure placing limits on professors’ tenure. The goal, he said, was to hold the educators accountable for their performance, so they don’t fall into “intellectual orthodoxy.”
The goal, he said, was to hold the educators accountable for their performance, so they don’t fall into “intellectual orthodoxy.”
Sounds vaguely familiar; haven't many right leaning professors or those not sufficiently woke or those that said some non-woke comment in a post fifteen years ago being denied tenure or have their tenure revoked? The left has got so used to screwing over right leaners but it's a different story when conservatives fight back.Florida limits professor tenure, citing ‘indoctrination’ concerns
A roundup of Florida education news from around the statewww.tampabay.com
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Right on the heels of the Disney takeover, comes news of yet another cultural attack by DeSantis & his Republican legislature.
I think we can assume a guy with a Yale B.A. and a Harvard J.D., is fully aware and cognizant the specific intent & purpose of university tenure - its raison d'etre - is to explicitly not hold tenured profs 'accountable'. Rather, it is to allow them intellectual freedom. Unabashed, untethered, intellectual freedom.
So, why then would DeSantis do this?
Obviously, for the same reason he went after Disney, the same way he went after kids' school books, the same way he's now going after university education. He seems hell-bent on indoctrinating the citizens of his state to his & his party's personal ideologies. And the more he's allowed to impress his will upon the good citizens of Florida, the more brazen he appears to become.
Florida's regressing before our eyes, my friends. This would be our 'future', should DeSantis ever become our nation's leader.
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The DeSantis culture attacks just keep on coming . . .
Sounds vaguely familiar; haven't many right leaning professors or those not sufficiently woke or those that said some non-woke comment in a post fifteen years ago being denied tenure or have their tenure revoked? The left has got so used to screwing over right leaners but it's a different story when conservatives fight back.
It's extremely difficult to take away tenure.Sounds vaguely familiar; haven't many right leaning professors or those not sufficiently woke or those that said some non-woke comment in a post fifteen years ago being denied tenure or have their tenure revoked? The left has got so used to screwing over right leaners but it's a different story when conservatives fight back.
Is this Florida crap really this crazy out of control or is he/they just getting more press than other states?Florida limits professor tenure, citing ‘indoctrination’ concerns
A roundup of Florida education news from around the statewww.tampabay.com
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Right on the heels of the Disney takeover, comes news of yet another cultural attack by DeSantis & his Republican legislature.
I think we can assume a guy with a Yale B.A. and a Harvard J.D., is fully aware and cognizant the specific intent & purpose of university tenure - its raison d'etre - is to explicitly not hold tenured profs 'accountable'. Rather, it is to allow them intellectual freedom. Unabashed, untethered, intellectual freedom.
So, why then would DeSantis do this?
Obviously, for the same reason he went after Disney, the same way he went after kids' school books, the same way he's now going after university education. He seems hell-bent on indoctrinating the citizens of his state to his & his party's personal ideologies. And the more he's allowed to impress his will upon the good citizens of Florida, the more brazen & assertive he appears to become.
Florida's regressing before our eyes, my friends. This would be our 'future', should DeSantis ever become our nation's leader.
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The DeSantis culture attacks just keep on coming . . .
How is it even possible? The State can not dictate to a non-State run university how to pay its employees.It's extremely difficult to take away tenure.
In the case of a state university, it is. State universities answer to the legislature.Mixed feelings.
On the one hand, having been afflicted with tenured professors who acted like jackasses before, I am not overly fond of the institution.
On the other hand, I'm not sure this is a Gov issue, unless Gov is the professor's employer.
It's possible. Difficult but possible.How is it even possible? The State can not dictate to a non-State run university how to pay its employees.
It's extremely difficult to take away tenure.
In the case of a state university, it is. State universities answer to the legislature.
There has been a movement away from tenure for quite some time.
Why It’s Time for Higher Ed to get rid of Tenure
Proposals for reform, some coming from faculty members themselves, include re-institution of a mandatory retirement age and the creation of rolling or renewable contracts for all faculty.www.postalley.org
Tenure Under Attack Nationwide | BestColleges
Continued political pressures threaten to erode tenure on public campuses and compromise academic freedom.www.bestcolleges.com
Tenure Is Dying
For a century, granting professors lifetime tenure has been a distinctive figure of American academic life. An expensive practice, already in decline, its death in the next generation could be hastened by the COVID-19 pandemic.www.forbes.com
Plenty of 'em too, sigh.Ah. Well have at it then.
This really happened:
Professor walks into class my first day of college. This is his opening monologue:
"To be clear: I am tenured. That means I cannot be fired.
If you pass this course, I get paid. If you don't pass this course, I get paid.
Therefore I don't give a shit if you pass or not. That's your problem."
Jerk.
Yep, and it’s extremely difficult to get rid of public employee unions. That does not make having either a good idea.
I will affirm this; I've seen it for myself.Florida has become draconian.
I've long been a champion of eliminating tenure. There are other ways to ensure job security for faculty. One of the biggest weaknesses for tenure is that a university invests in employees for 5-7 years and then fires those who don't acquire tenure (which is a politically fraught process) and starts anew recruiting for a new employee and waiting for that person to get up to speed. Some of those fired deserve it; others are excellent teachers. In my 30 yr career in higher ed at 2 universities, I've seen more faculty rest on their laurels after achieving tenure than I've seen them retain their zeal for teaching. Research becomes their focus, TAs take on the task of teaching, and students do not get the advantage of working with the subject matter expert until their jr/sr year if at all (this varies somewhat depending on the size of the school).
It took me two years to fire a tenured professor with a long history of sexual harassment. The dept. dean and the provost fought me on the firing because "it would damage his reputation and he's tenured" as though achieving tenure raised a person to the level of a god. No thought given to the hit the university's reputation took because it protected a predator for so long. His tenure took precedence over human decency. That is just one example of how tenure goes awry,
Agreed.Sounds vaguely familiar; haven't many right leaning professors or those not sufficiently woke or those that said some non-woke comment in a post fifteen years ago being denied tenure or have their tenure revoked? The left has got so used to screwing over right leaners but it's a different story when conservatives fight back.
Turkey, here we come.Florida limits professor tenure, citing ‘indoctrination’ concerns
A roundup of Florida education news from around the statewww.tampabay.com
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Right on the heels of the Disney takeover, comes news of yet another cultural attack by DeSantis & his Republican legislature.
I think we can assume a guy with a Yale B.A. and a Harvard J.D., is fully aware and cognizant the specific intent & purpose of university tenure - its raison d'etre - is to explicitly not hold tenured profs 'accountable'. Rather, it is to allow them intellectual freedom. Unabashed, untethered, intellectual freedom.
So, why then would DeSantis do this?
Obviously, for the same reason he went after Disney, the same way he went after kids' school books, the same way he's now going after university education. He seems hell-bent on indoctrinating the citizens of his state to his & his party's personal ideologies. And the more he's allowed to impress his will upon the good citizens of Florida, the more brazen & assertive he appears to become.
Florida's regressing before our eyes, my friends. This would be our 'future', should DeSantis ever become our nation's leader.
--
The DeSantis culture attacks just keep on coming . . .
If this was private business you guys would flip your ever loving shit over this, but since it's education and clearly you all hate education you are OK with it.There has been a movement away from tenure for quite some time.
Why It’s Time for Higher Ed to get rid of Tenure
Proposals for reform, some coming from faculty members themselves, include re-institution of a mandatory retirement age and the creation of rolling or renewable contracts for all faculty.www.postalley.org
Tenure Under Attack Nationwide | BestColleges
Continued political pressures threaten to erode tenure on public campuses and compromise academic freedom.www.bestcolleges.com
Tenure Is Dying
For a century, granting professors lifetime tenure has been a distinctive figure of American academic life. An expensive practice, already in decline, its death in the next generation could be hastened by the COVID-19 pandemic.www.forbes.com
But one reason my hair turned gray long before it should have. Listening to dept. faculty diss each other because they disagreed with either the subject or content of their colleagues' work was like watching toddlers fight over the last cookie. Meanwhile enrollment in their classes dropped.And I will also affirm that too often profs are punished for focusing on teaching rather than on publishing.
Ah. Well have at it then.
This really happened:
Professor walks into class my first day of college. This is his opening monologue:
"To be clear: I am tenured. That means I cannot be fired.
If you pass this course, I get paid. If you don't pass this course, I get paid.
Therefore I don't give a shit if you pass or not. That's your problem."
Jerk.
I figured that Republicans would eventually find a more dangerously authoritarian asshole than mango. Looks like they might have.
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