Strawman because it is inconvienient for you to answer? Because you clearly don't get how kids are actin these days. I guess you have never actually worked with youth. That might be it.
I am NOT ignoring his height and age. 17 is STILL a friggin kid to me. Hell an 18 year old while legally a man, is still naive as hell. Tell me you don't think that? I am almost 23 and I know that. I can think back now at how different I thought when I first entered college and when I was in high school. I certainly was not as rational, or as good at making decisions. Maybe better than Martin, but a side by side with myself now? Lol.
Oh and did I mention that I am 6'1 and outweigh Martin by 60lbs? I AM about 240 (yea I am a fatty...but it helps that I do Brazillian Jiu Jitsu and Boxing). Do you know how many kids I see coming into the gym that are the EXACT description of Martin? 170 isn't that big. 6'0? Sure...taller than average, but by NO means imposing. Unless of course you count the fact that he is black and tatted up? But if I can see THAT face...you think I am going to pee my pants? Are you kidding? You want to sell Martin off as a Big Huge Tough Thug? Sell that crazy somewhere else, we're all stocked up here.
Was that a good enough response for you? Or do I need to repeat myself ONE MORE TIME? Trayvon Martin looks like a kid. He is 170 lbs at 6'0. By no means does that make him a giant monsterous figure. That is a 23 on the BMI scale.
LMAO! You liar :lol: You said he had tatoos and that that somehow was part of the reason he wasn't a kid! Are you kidding me? It was a DIRECT response to something you posted. Do I need to go back and highlight it for you? What a joke. The fact is you CLAIMED tatoos had something to do with him being hardcore? Being not a kid? Either way it was something stupid to bring up because a tatoo is just a drawing on the skin. It doesn't change the mental thought process of a 17 year old. It also should not have impacted the decision making of an ADULT MALE that was CC at the time. Especially if he couldn't see them.
Do you even know what a strawman is?
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Does that help? Seriously. YOU brought up the gang lingo as if it somehow had a point? I showed you that it was not something valid to bring to the table. Your post of information in itself was a strawman. I just pointed out that gang lingo has permeated our society FAR more than you apperently understand? Again...I guess you don't work with kids.
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Right...because obviously all the information you put down somehow displays that Trayvon was anything more than a dumbass kid? What do you expect from a 17 year old? Perfect decision making that leads to a glammorous life of perfect grades, the right college, and so on? Are you kidding?
And THERE IT IS! Ladies and gentlemen EXACTLY what I am pointing out. You can CLAIM that Zimmerman was technically correct (which we DO NOT KNOW and can only surmise based upon the evidence), but what is important and MUST be considered as it WILL be the basis of future propaganda and possible legislation...and depending upon verdict...legal precedent.
Zimmerman...by your own words "messed up," and Martin paid for it. Just because you get attacked, doesn't mean that you didn't provoke it. Jumping up and down the street and yelling racial slurs (which is NOT what Zimmerman did...and I by no means am claiming he was overtly racist because that is a RIDICULOUS claim made by losers like Al Sharpton who use Black inequality, poverty, and bad circumstance to gain his own political power...and he is racist himself anyway...make) is a provocation. Certainly...being attacked for it is not RIGHT. But PERHAPS that is NOT why Martin attacked. PERHAPS it was because he was being followed. When Zimmerman had the choice to INFORM Martin of his itent...he didn't. He just willy nilly reached into his jacket for a cell phone. How would you perceive that? In your almighty wisdom as a cop? Or a security proffesional?
Come on man. Don't feed me these garbage lines about the technicality of the law. You know that intent is VERY important. I AGREE with you that this was NOT premeditated. It was however STUPID and could have been avoided. Sure Zimmerman even had a "right" to be where he was. But the fact is that while he had a RIGHT...he shouldn't have been there...and that is what I am claiming invalidates his self defense claim. That is probably what the prosecution against him will use too. While certainly standing your ground is one thing...do you stand your ground if you go look for someone after having been in a safe location?
I said "as a first course of action." Rather than prudence, rationality, and ensurance of safety of those around you or yourself. The last course of action should be to go chase down the bad guy when you and all parties involved in the situation are safe.
Because point for point response to you is pointless when you ignore direct questions, and claim that every response I have is a strawman. Why should I consider the points you make relevant when you ignore what I say?
You just want to continue to go back to things that are irrelevant huh? Is it just because you want to win? The fact is that you damn well know that if acting based upon what I said would certainly have NOT landed Zimmerman into hot water. Not to mention you have completely ignored the relevant information I provided after. Again...point for point response is ridiculous with someone like you. Everything I say is a strawman to you. Of course unless you understand that discussion transforms as time progresses.
You still don't get what I mean by the spirit of the law do you? THE SPIRIT OF THE STAND YOUR GROUND LAW IS THAT ONE HAD NO CHOICE BUT TO STAND THEIR GROUND. Zimmerman had a choice and he made the wrong one. That choice was NOT at the juncture of the conflict. It was at the point of EXITING HIS VEHICLE.
You as a "SECURITY PROFESSIONAL AND EX COP" damn well know that if you have to shoot someone...that better be the only option you had. Of course what every cop has ever said to me..."kill them...then there is one side of the story." So I don't know? Maybe that is how you think?