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Flat Wages for the middle and working class - what to do?

Moderate Right said:
There has been a left vs right since Cavepersons roamed the planet. See, I can also be "politically correct". Now I can claim that I'm a lefty.
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Jeebus man, partisan****heads are always so hopelessly lost.
 
Moderate Right said:
???????????? Are you trying to prove my point that the country needs to get rid of both Democrats and Republicans and that there is no difference between a rich CEO and a rich Labor Union leader?
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You call yourself moderate right

But you seem to spend all your energy attacking republicans and conserveratives

So the net result is that you hurt one side but not the other
 
Ok thanks for your opinion
 
Mac77 said:
You call yourself moderate right

But you seem to spend all your energy attacking republicans and conserveratives

So the net result is that you hurt one side but not the other
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Don't know how to respond to that other than saying that I'm not going to rubberstamp either side. The far right does that to the Rino's all the time. But, thanks for showing these guys that I really am a moderate and not a pure bread partisan like they are.
 
Fenton Lum said:
War and empire is simply more important, we already decided that one.
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If it was already decided then why are we debating it? In any event, I agree. War is necessary and having the strongest defense in the world is necessary. It would be nice if everyone played nice but that has always been a pipe dream. There are many people out there who would like to behead us.
 
Moderate Right said:
Thanks for at least posting those. Ironically, I disagree with you on the first two. But, most of what I believe slants right and most of what you believe slants left. I don't make the rules. That's just the way it is. If 90% of what you believe slants one way or the other, then that is what you are.
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What if it's 70/30, or (gasp!), 50/50??

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Critter7r said:
What if it's 70/30, or (gasp!), 50/50??

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Well, the people I have been posting with, including you, don't have a chance at even 70/30, let alone 50/50. I, however, have voted for a mix of Republicans, Democrats, and Independents. I even voted for Obama in 2012. I thought he had a decent first four years but then he fell apart at the seems his last four years so I regret that vote. Unlike Bill Clinton, Obama refused to work with the Republican Congress. It was either Obama's way or the highway. You guys, on the other hand, don't vote Republican at all and I doubt even vote for any Independents. For you it is all partisan agenda and wanting liberal policies. And, other than not keeping his pants zipped up, I believe Bill Clinton was the only decent president we have had since Reagan. His wife was a pile of **** though.
 
Moderate Right said:
Don't know how to respond to that other than saying that I'm not going to rubberstamp either side. The far right does that to the Rino's all the time. But, thanks for showing these guys that I really am a moderate and not a pure bread partisan like they are.
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We need ten carrier groups when no enemy has more than one?
 
vegas giants said:
We need ten carrier groups when no enemy has more than one?
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So? Please tell me how much money we would save if we only had two carrier groups and what would you do with that saved money? If you say you would use that saved money to decrease our 20 trillion dollar debt I'll listen to at least one more post. If you can't say that and want to turn around and spend that on more entitlements then don't waste my time with your lefty liberal nonsense.
 
Moderate Right said:
So? Please tell me how much money we would save if we only had two carrier groups and what would you do with that saved money? If you say you would use that saved money to decrease our 20 trillion dollar debt I'll listen to at least one more post. If you can't say that and want to turn around and spend that on more entitlements then don't waste my time with your lefty liberal nonsense.
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Our debt is in the form of structured payouts that can't be paid off any more quickly than they're already scheduled to be paid. This is a bit of semantics on my part, but the only way to decrease the $20T debt is to stop borrowing. So, as long as the money isn't spent on something else, saving $xx Billions of dollars by not commissioning those additional 8 carrier groups would automatically go towards reducing our debt, because we wouldn't be borrowing it.
 
Moderate Right said:
So? Please tell me how much money we would save if we only had two carrier groups and what would you do with that saved money? If you say you would use that saved money to decrease our 20 trillion dollar debt I'll listen to at least one more post. If you can't say that and want to turn around and spend that on more entitlements then don't waste my time with your lefty liberal nonsense.
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How about you answer my question? Do we need ten carrier groups? Do we need tanks built that even the army does not want? Do we need bases all over the world?
 
Moderate Right said:
Don't know how to respond to that other than saying that I'm not going to rubberstamp either side.

The far right does that to the Rino's all the time.

But, thanks for showing these guys that I really am a moderate and not a pure bread partisan like they are.
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And the RINO's fight back by mislabeling their critics "FAR RIGHT."

The RINO's are for business as usual in a city of failed policies

RINO's want to work with democrats to maintain the same path to the bottom that we have been on since the baby boomers took of the governemt
 
Critter7r said:
Our debt is in the form of structured payouts that can't be paid off any more quickly than they're already scheduled to be paid. This is a bit of semantics on my part, but the only way to decrease the $20T debt is to stop borrowing. So, as long as the money isn't spent on something else, saving $xx Billions of dollars by not commissioning those additional 8 carrier groups would automatically go towards reducing our debt, because we wouldn't be borrowing it.
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I think somewhere in there is the question I asked.
 
Moderate Right said:
I think somewhere in there is the question I asked.
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Probably. I just had to get that bit of semantics off my chest. I cringe when I hear people say we need to spend less/tax more to "pay down the debt". It's not as if we can send extra payments toward it. It's not your Visa card. If we started running surpluses tomorrow (ignoring the economic downturn that would ensue), the debt would still take 30 years to pay off.
 
Critter7r said:
But, what if? I wasn't asking what you thought my ratio is.
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I think that basically proves my point when you ask about 70/30, which shows that even you agree that you are not at 70/30 (those other posters in question aren't either). My main point is that it is extremely dishonest for someone who can rattle off a long list of liberal policies they believe in to deny they are a lefty but a just a person who does not want to be labeled, like it is an insult to be called a liberal or a lefty. People on the other side of the spectrum don't get insulted if they are called righties or conservatives. I have never understood that.
 
Moderate Right said:
The middle class would be doing fine if liberal policies would quit tromping all over them. But, the left wants to take from the rich and give to the poor with every policy they have - completely bypassing the middle class.
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No, healthcare and education as pushed by most dems, benefit everyone, including the wealthy.
The taxes typically associated with paying for this, should largely target the ultra-wealthy.

Take your pick, either we have unions to counter the power of capitalism, or we have progressive taxes that get spent on *everyone in meaningful ways*. Are taxes on the ultra-wealthy are far too low, and everyone that sits down and discusses it would likely agree if they were not partisan about it.

There is no other alternative, it's why no other prosperous nation on earth has some mystical alternative approach.
 
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Moderate Right said:
I think that basically proves my point when you ask about 70/30, which shows that even you agree that you are not at 70/30 (those other posters in question aren't either). My main point is that it is extremely dishonest for someone who can rattle off a long list of liberal policies they believe in to deny they are a lefty but a just a person who does not want to be labeled, like it is an insult to be called a liberal or a lefty. People on the other side of the spectrum don't get insulted if they are called righties or conservatives. I have never understood that.
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Again. I'm not asking you where you think MY ratio is at. What happens in your mind when some person (besides me and those other dishonest posters) is at 70/30 or 50/50? What box do you put them in then?
 
vegas giants said:
How about you answer my question? Do we need ten carrier groups? Do we need tanks built that even the army does not want? Do we need bases all over the world?
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I'm not a military expert so I don't know if we need ten carrier groups or not. No, we do not need tanks built if the army does not want them. Yes, we do need bases all over the world.
 
Moderate Right said:
I'm not a military expert so I don't know if we need ten carrier groups or not. No, we do not need tanks built if the army does not want them. Yes, we do need bases all over the world.
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Common sense dictates that we are WAY overspending on our military
 
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