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Finally my breakdown on JK Rowling's transphobic letter

The Daily Mail is a garbage source but they are reprinting an article from others.

Huh... That's interesting I'll have to read about it.
 
Alright since ive said this many times that I would break down her letter and say what exactly is wrong with it because I am rather sick of her fanboys and girls lying using mote and bailey tactics and quite possibly only one person I have EVER seen since was honest enough to actually give a breakdown of what she actually said beyond "well all she said was sex is real" which is complete bullshit, NOBODY and I mean NOBODY writes an entire page just to say what everyone will tell you is a no ****ing brainer, even trans rights advocates. I read her letter a long time ago but have been working on many different things and never got around to it so here we go! The bolded will be what JK Rowling wrote

This isn’t an easy piece to write, for reasons that will shortly become clear, but I know it’s time to explain myself on an issue surrounded by toxicity. I write this without any desire to add to that toxicity. well here is the thing JK when you go into a rather contentious debate with really very very little knowledge of trans issues or what trans people go through it matters not what your intentions are, quite frankly I do not care about your intentions.

JK Rowling is pretty well known for using mote and bailey tactics to defend her arguments which is referenced in her first paragraph
For people who don’t know: last December I tweeted my support for Maya Forstater, a tax specialist who’d lost her job for what were deemed ‘transphobic’ tweets. She took her case to an employment tribunal, asking the judge to rule on whether a philosophical belief that sex is determined by biology is protected in law. Judge Tayler ruled that it wasn’t.

first of all, what JK and other gender criticals ((aptly named the feminism of fools) like to do is hide the rest of the story beyond simple catchphrases which is very effective messaging for her but it will not let this go unnoticed. What actually happened is this.
I share the concerns of @fairplaywomen that radically expanding the legal definition of 'women' so that it can include both males and females makes it a meaningless concept, and will undermine women’s rights & protections for vulnerable women & girls.
First of all, this is the first i've heard of inclusion violating the rights of others. Secondly Maya Forstater misunderstands what trans people go through and by constantly undermining their ability to socially transition much less physically transition makes trans people's experience that much worse, especially those with dysphoria. Trans women are women, its the whole damn point of transitioning and continuing to make it hard for people to leave the life they are trying to leave behind by silly biological essentialist arguments which completely misses the point is sure going to piss a lot of people off. Yes sex is real every ****ing person on this planet knows this and repeating this tired old strawman like gender criticals do all the time even to the point where GCs I argue with get absolutely flummoxed when I catch them off their script which is absolutely hilarious, in fact it is gender criticals that cannot separate sex from gender.

Some transgender people have cosmetic surgery. But most retain their birth genitals. Everyone's equality and safety should be protected, but women and girls lose out on privacy, safety and fairness if males are allowed into changing rooms, dormitories, prisons, sports teams. are you one to be looking at other people's genitals Maya? Since trans people are more likely to have crimes committed against them than they are to commit crimes, you have nothing to really be afraid of. Women are really violent towards other women as well, yeah new concept!
Oh poo...

I'm terribly sorry that science, facts and reality, and society in general don't support your alternative, eccentric little lifestyle choice - and the associated self-harm thereof - which represents as little as 0.001% of the population.

Are you going to start making pipe-bomb threats now or engaging in similarly vile activities in response to reality having a decidedly "transphobic bias".
 
Oh poo...

I'm terribly sorry that science, facts and reality, and society in general don't support your alternative, eccentric little lifestyle choice - and the associated self-harm thereof - which represents as little as 0.001% of the population.

Are you going to start making pipe-bomb threats now or engaging in similarly vile activities in response to reality having a decidedly "transphobic bias".
Bye newbie.
 
The Daily Mail is a garbage source but they are reprinting an article from others.

The Daily Mail wouldn't be quite on par with the decidedly garbage sources which I presume you post and regurgitate unquestionably, whilst lacking the education or demonstrated intelligence to discern how specific sources are vetted and decided individually.

Most likely you just read some low-IQ internet meme about "reliable sources" which is decidedly non-academic and merely started repeating that via rote regurgitation, because intellectual lightweights are rarely able to come to self-awareness as to their own, rank stupidity, and sadly have to have it pointed out to them in child-like terms by their comparative intellectual betters.

So please take a hint, and stop posting insipidity and nonsense which has been debunked countless times, and was so laughable from the get-go that was barely worth the debunking thereof to begin with. I'm sure you'll continue to post trashy and non-academic sources such as "Salon U" or "Truthout U" which your poor intellectual aptitude will naturally conflate with academic or viable sources, but thankfully facts, education, society, and reality will continue to debunk them point by point, and continue to render accurately the facts about your odd, alternative little lifestyle choice which represents less than 0.001% of the global population, and the transphobia which you perpetuate by arguing in favor of pseudoscientific self-harm at the expense of facts, reality, and affected individuals.

Though if anyone here would like, I can go over the list of garbage sources which they've more than likely routinely posted in lieu of better ones - such as some particularly uneducated "liberal" trusting the words of an unreliable, non-academic
source like Truthout written by someone with no education to speak of - over the words of, say, a sources by any Ivy League Harvard graduate and lawyer like Ben Shapio or a similar figure.

Honestly, I'd think that an Ivy League Harvard graduate more than likely knows more than some uneducated or undereducated "left-winger" who posts their nonsense exclusively on internet messageboards, but again there's the point about the first step toward recognizing one's own stupidity requiring a margin of self-awareness, he he he.

For example:

 
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Bye newbie.
Honestly, by the time you've said "bye" over 100 times and nothing has changed, have you ever started getting tired of it?

As far as the future of your little alternative subculture or lifestyle choice which represent less than a fraction of 1% of the population, most of whom will never reproduce - I think that evolutionary selection said "bye" to such irrelevant and socially nonconformist ilk quite along time ago.
 
I wonder if Blaq will permit this source for the same information of transgender brains imaged via a MRI?



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I wonder if Blaq will permit this source for the same information of transgender brains imaged via a MRI?





I think blaq is just a sock puppet.
 
Rowling knows exactly what she is doing with her manipulative, victim-blaming tactics. And she has the nerve to play the victim. :rolleyes:

Here's a piece of advice, Ms. Rowling: Don't attack people, and they won't have a need to fight back.



Thanks, I'll add that to my playlist. Contrapoints made a (long) video about Rowling a few years ago:


Contrapoints always puts out bangers. Love her.
 
What I didn’t expect in the aftermath of my cancellation was the avalanche of emails and letters that came showering down upon me, the overwhelming majority of which were positive, grateful and supportive. They came from a cross-section of kind, empathetic and intelligent people, some of them working in fields dealing with gender dysphoria and trans people, who’re all deeply concerned about the way a socio-political concept is influencing politics, medical practice and safeguarding. They’re worried about the dangers to young people, gay people and about the erosion of women’s and girl’s rights. Above all, they’re worried about a climate of fear that serves nobody – least of all trans youth – well.
We are just supposed to assume this because you say so JK? Considering you are quite willing to lie about why Maya Forstater was let go, I am going to assume this is a lie as well. Maybe you should actually show these e-mails or give a synopsis of them instead of using non-specific emails that you claim to have. You mean the dangers to...... LGB alliance folks? Well I can certainly assure you trans people are of NO danger to lesbian and gay people and considering the only person backing this claim on the BBC was a woman that has the most violent fantasies that you could dream of I would predict if she lived in America she would be a school shooter. The only person or people creating a climate of fear that serves nobody is you and your buddy Glinner and the LGB alliance. Your projection instead of owning up to the fact that your continual spamming of red herrings like "sex is real guize! why are you so angry bruh?!" and pretending trans women are an existential threat to women and always will be this existential threat is creating the culture of fear. Your fans harass trans activists, call them pedophiles and compare them to zoophiles and people who believe they are animals if they are furries. Your fans attack trans charities all the time and even ally with conservatives to take down trans people and boot them from the MONUMENTALLY SMALL representation they get on the BBC.

I’d stepped back from Twitter for many months both before and after tweeting support for Maya, because I knew it was doing nothing good for my mental health. I only returned because I wanted to share a free children’s book during the pandemic. Immediately, activists who clearly believe themselves to be good, kind and progressive people swarmed back into my timeline, assuming a right to police my speech, accuse me of hatred, call me misogynistic slurs and, above all – as every woman involved in this debate will know – TERF.

You mean lying about the reason Maya was let go? JK...... Its not just your mental health this shitstorm you stumbled in that this is not good for, its practically the mental health of everyone involved. Your minions are absolutely legion and ****ing repetitive to the point of absurdity. You actually are the one trying to police the speech of trans people. This runs both ways. TERF is simply a descriptor of your ideology. Dont want to be called a TERF? Then dont support TERFS and constantly misgender trans people and get in the way of them getting help in domestic abuse shelters or being able to go to the bathroom. The US has tried policing bathrooms... You know what happened JK? Cis women got dragged out of the women's bathroom by police officers while their friends constantly are trying to tell the pig the truth because the cis woman didnt look feminine enough. Yeah thats right JK drones you may think your trans radar or whatever the **** you gleefully think you have is not always accurate. Please piss off thanks.
 
In addition I would like to point out that the creation of a fear based narrative that JK has promoted has led to certain feminist organizations teaming up with the christian nationalist right with organizations like WOLF (Women's Liberation Front) sitting on the panels of the Family Policy Alliance and the heritage foundation. https://www.vox.com/identities/2019/9/5/20840101/terfs-radical-feminists-gender-critical

This is the thing that the trans activists have been trying to warn you people about several times and your fear of trans people has drawn you into the arms of the very people who will destroy the LGBT+ alliance and you are gleefully helping them with shit like the LGB alliance. (btw it wasnt trans people's fault this organization exists) that formed with the explicit goal of opposing Stonewall for supporting people who have existed in the alliance SINCE STONEWALL! Oh yeah gender criticals have come out against the ban on conversion therapy in the UK(yeah gender critical feminists are against gay people, they arent your allies in any way)


These people for being supposedly left wing surprisingly support rigid dictionary definitions as if they are always set in stone like conservatives wanted to define marriage between a man and woman. Kinda gets you wondering just how successfully the christian right has molded "gender critical" feminists.

Gender critical feminists and TERFS have a huge problem with intersectionality and refuse to even consider trans women and women's issues often INTERSECT.

P.S. its again hilarious to know where all the JK trolls get their hatred of furries, they get it from Graham Lineham who gets his jollies on and the erection he can no longer get because he cant get a woman anymore from the murder of furries.... If you said that to my face Graham I know full well I would break you.

Again I say gender criticial or TERFism is the feminism of fools.
 
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Considering you are quite willing to lie about why Maya Forstater was let go, I am going to assume this is a lie as well. Maybe you should actually show these e-mails or give a synopsis of them instead of using non-specific emails that you claim to have.
You have been pretty vague about why YOU think she was let go. Apparently something about comparing pronouns to date rape drugs is supposedly beyond the pale. But you didn't provide the quote, which 1) makes me suspicious, and 2) makes it impossible to judge if you are correct that this was so offensive she not only needed to be fired but also so offensive that the sin splashes on to anyone one degree away from her, like JK Rowling.

So what *was* the horrible offense? Just spell it out and provide the quote instead of accusing everyone else of lying about it. Then we can all judge if you are right.
 
Gender critical feminists and TERFS have a huge problem with intersectionality and refuse to even consider trans women and women's issues often INTERSECT.
Gender identity ideology is incredibly misogynistic, homophobic, and illiberal. It doesn't "intersect" with women's issues or LGB issues, so much as it makes a sharp U-turn. An ideology that teaches that boys who don't conform to their gender stereotypes need to be fixed with medical science is indistinguishable from conversion therapy pushed by homophobic religious zealots. An ideology that teaches that girl's sports and women's spaces must be sacrificed in order to respect men's fee-feez is indistinguishable from what the most misogynistic MRAs believe.
 
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Gender identity ideology is incredibly misogynistic, homophobic, and illiberal. It doesn't "intersect" with women's issues or LGB issues, so much as it makes a sharp U-turn. An ideology that teaches that boys who don't conform to their gender stereotypes need to be fixed with medical science is indistinguishable from conversion therapy pushed by homophobic religious zealots. An ideology that teaches that girl's sports and women's spaces must be sacrificed in order to respect men's fee-feez is indistinguishable from what the most misogynistic MRAs believe.
Thank you, I've been saying this for quite some time.
 
Thank you, I've been saying this for quite some time.
Do you honestly not understand that there's a difference between trans people themselves saying and begging and pleading that they want to be recognized as the gender they've felt since childhood, and other people imposing their own views onto unwilling subjects (be it change or stasis)? Or do you simply not care? On this issue conservatives, as usual, are on the wrong side of history, the wrong side of human progress: They are the other people trying to impose their views onto trans people by denying them medical care, by taking a perverse pleasure in calling them the wrong names, by feeding a perverted obsession over which genitals may once have been between someone's legs, by targeting and demonizing one of the most marginalized groups in society.

The religious zealots trying to impose change against homosexual people in the name of 'normality' and their supposed 'common sense' are the same religious zealots trying to impose stasis against transgender people in the name of 'normality' and their supposed 'common sense.' If you don't see that - if your level of 'thinking' extends no further than "change is bad for gay people, so change is bad for trans people too" - then it's really no surprise that you've been so easily duped. If you just don't care to see it... well, that's simply the nature of prejudice, I suppose :(
 
You have been pretty vague about why YOU think she was let go. Apparently something about comparing pronouns to date rape drugs is supposedly beyond the pale. But you didn't provide the quote, which 1) makes me suspicious,
Obviously it doesn't make you curious or in any way interested in learning or truth. For Chrissake, my top two results from googling "Maya Forstater rohypnol" are her tweets about the article, the earlier of which includes the direct link. Willfully choosing to remain in ignorance and continue treating personal speculation as being more valid than actual truth and facts is one of the defining features of prejudice. I suppose in a sense we can thank you for illustrating it so clearly.

So was it some vague, off-hand comparison that's been blown out of proportion by overly sensitive 'trans activists'? No. "Pronouns are Rohypnol" - that's the headline of the article:
But I refuse to use female pronouns for anyone male.
Because pronouns are like Rohypnol.

One of the biggest obstacles to halting the stampede over women’s rights is pronoun and preferred name ‘courtesy’. People severely underestimate the psychological impact to themselves, and to others, of compliance.

Pronouns are like Rohypnol to your brain’s defences. . . .



Pronouns are like Rohypnol.
They dull your defences. They change your inhibitions. They’re meant to. . . .



Pronouns are Rohypnol. They change our perception, lower our defences, make us react differently, alter the reality in front of us.
They’re meant to
. . . .



Pronouns are Rohypnol.
I want to be alert. I want others to be alert. . . .



And that’s why I won’t use preferred pronouns.
Using Rohypnol on others isn’t a courtesy.

That's some pretty sick shit, honestly way worse than I'd imagined; directly and repeatedly declaring that preferred pronouns are a dangerous and deliberate conspiracy to lull people into a false sense of safety, dull defenses and take advantage... and making that claim in almost the most obscene way imaginable, by repeated direct comparison to date rape. Not just 'trans people are out to get you,' but 'trans people are out to rape you.'

No wonder you found it more comfortable to spend post after post sticking with your ignorance and 'suspicions' rather than spending a few seconds learning the truth. Prejudice is as prejudice does.
 
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Do you honestly not understand that there's a difference between trans people themselves saying and begging and pleading that they want to be recognized as the gender they've felt since childhood, and other people imposing their own views onto unwilling subjects (be it change or stasis)? Or do you simply not care? On this issue conservatives, as usual, are on the wrong side of history, the wrong side of human progress: They are the other people trying to impose their views onto trans people by denying them medical care, by taking a perverse pleasure in calling them the wrong names, by feeding a perverted obsession over which genitals may once have been between someone's legs, by targeting and demonizing one of the most marginalized groups in society.

The religious zealots trying to impose change against homosexual people in the name of 'normality' and their supposed 'common sense' are the same religious zealots trying to impose stasis against transgender people in the name of 'normality' and their supposed 'common sense.' If you don't see that - if your level of 'thinking' extends no further than "change is bad for gay people, so change is bad for trans people too" - then it's really no surprise that you've been so easily duped. If you just don't care to see it... well, that's simply the nature of prejudice, I suppose :(
My thoughts are to the people who are convinced that they are trans when they're really not which is probably the majority of people who identify as trans now because it's become quite popular, especially among teenagers.

I don't care what you call me or how you belittle my viewpoint or misinterpret it I know people just do that because they don't want their opponent to be correct when they know they are.

There are quite a few people who have damaged themselves and regret it quite severely chasing after transitioning you can't really transition that's not a thing. Drugs and cosmetic surgeries won't change that.

I care about these people the human wreckage of this trend. The way I see it you will be remembered as a segregationist in history because it is the detransitioners that you don't like for nothing more than who they are.

I take no issue with trans people and I have no wish to see them suffer. You can say whatever you want about me I know this and that won't change.
 
Gender identity ideology is incredibly misogynistic, homophobic, and illiberal. It doesn't "intersect" with women's issues or LGB issues, so much as it makes a sharp U-turn. An ideology that teaches that boys who don't conform to their gender stereotypes need to be fixed with medical science is indistinguishable from conversion therapy pushed by homophobic religious zealots. An ideology that teaches that girl's sports and women's spaces must be sacrificed in order to respect men's fee-feez is indistinguishable from what the most misogynistic MRAs believe.
Yeahhh i immediately know where you get your talking points from. Bye.
 
You have been pretty vague about why YOU think she was let go. Apparently something about comparing pronouns to date rape drugs is supposedly beyond the pale. But you didn't provide the quote, which 1) makes me suspicious, and 2) makes it impossible to judge if you are correct that this was so offensive she not only needed to be fired but also so offensive that the sin splashes on to anyone one degree away from her, like JK Rowling.

So what *was* the horrible offense? Just spell it out and provide the quote instead of accusing everyone else of lying about it. Then we can all judge if you are right.
I just posted what Maya said. Your illiteracy is not my problem.

Read next time :).

For reference post #91 though it was not my post.
 
Obviously it doesn't make you curious or in any way interested in learning or truth. For Chrissake, my top two results from googling "Maya Forstater rohypnol" are her tweets about the article, the earlier of which includes the direct link. Willfully choosing to remain in ignorance and continue treating personal speculation as being more valid than actual truth and facts is one of the defining features of prejudice. I suppose in a sense we can thank you for illustrating it so clearly.

So was it some vague, off-hand comparison that's been blown out of proportion by overly sensitive 'trans activists'? No. "Pronouns are Rohypnol" - that's the headline of the article:


That's some pretty sick shit, honestly way worse than I'd imagined; directly and repeatedly declaring that preferred pronouns are a dangerous and deliberate conspiracy to lull people into a false sense of safety, dull defenses and take advantage... and making that claim in almost the most obscene way imaginable, by repeated direct comparison to date rape. Not just 'trans people are out to get you,' but 'trans people are out to rape you.'

No wonder you found it more comfortable to spend post after post sticking with your ignorance and 'suspicions' rather than spending a few seconds learning the truth. Prejudice is as prejudice does.
Its interesting what you find when you look at what they are deliberately hiding behind with legions of trolls repeating the same strawman ad nauseum.

I found out GCs hate furries because they get that from Glinner.
 
My thoughts are to the people who are convinced that they are trans when they're really not which is probably the majority of people who identify as trans now because it's become quite popular, especially among teenagers.
And I'm sure the compassionate thoughts of the religious folk are with all the people convinced that they're gay when they're really not, the majority of them, victims of the gay agenda. Your opinions and your rhetoric stand in wonderful company, telling other people who and what they're really meant to be.
 
Obviously it doesn't make you curious or in any way interested in learning or truth. For Chrissake, my top two results from googling "Maya Forstater rohypnol" are her tweets about the article, the earlier of which includes the direct link.
"Just Google my sources" is a dumb tactic, and I'll let OP support his own claim rather than doing his research for him.
So was it some vague, off-hand comparison that's been blown out of proportion by overly sensitive 'trans activists'? No. "Pronouns are Rohypnol" - that's the headline of the article:

This 1) appears to be comparing pronouns to lowering one's inhibitions and hiding the truth. A mildly provocative comparison perhaps, but whatever. 2) This appears to be written by someone named Barbara Kerr. Is this a pen name for Forstater, or are we now talking about someone TWO degrees removed from JK Rowling herself?

I ****ing hate book-burning and censorship. And it's especially petty when it's TWO degrees removed from the target. That's the shit that Mao and Robespierre did, and it's gross. (Not that it would be much better to cancel the author of the article herself.)

So to clarify why you're mad at JK Rowling: Because she protested the firing of someone else, who retweeted an article by someone else, who wrote an article you didn't like. I don't give a shit. Cope and seethe.
 
I just posted what Maya said. Your illiteracy is not my problem.

Read next time :).

For reference post #91 though it was not my post.
Normally if you're going to claim you posted something you'll have a post of your own to quote, instead of piggybacking off someone else's. But to recap what I said to Mithrae:

You are mad at JK Rowling for defending someone else who retweeted an article written by yet someone else who said some words that hurt your feelings. I don't care.

The Dalai Lama was interviewed by Dan Rather who interviewed Saddam Hussein. I guess we should cancel the Dalai Lama for his unhinged lust for Kurdish genocide.

Or maybe you should just stop playing seven steps to Kevin Bacon to find something to trigger you. If this is seriously the best you've got on JK Rowling, it confirms my suspicion that she has nothing to apologize for, and that your activist movement is totally insane.
 
Do you honestly not understand that there's a difference between trans people themselves saying and begging and pleading that they want to be recognized as the gender they've felt since childhood, and other people imposing their own views onto unwilling subjects (be it change or stasis)?
Trans people themselves are only 0.5% of the population, so the trans movement mostly consists of other people getting butthurt on their behalf.

Or do you simply not care?
I don't especially care what gender identity you think you are, no. No more than I care about your astrological sign, your Myers Briggs type, or the online quiz you took telling you what kind of dog you'd be. You are free to shout those things from the rooftops, but you can't make me care.

On this issue conservatives, as usual, are on the wrong side of history, the wrong side of human progress: They are the other people trying to impose their views onto trans people by denying them medical care,
If you're an adult I support your right to do whatever you want to your body. My only issue is if you demand I participate in your game, or if you involve minors, or if you try to invade women's spaces.
 
"Just Google my sources" is a dumb tactic,
So is sealioning. When you claim that it is "impossible to judge if you are correct" based purely on your own refusal across multiple posts to do three seconds' worth of googling, it's pretty obvious that you have no interest in learning or in truth.
 
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