Finally, a Politician Admits to Having an Abortion Simply Because She Wasn’t [W:139]

[Lursa]

Re: Finally, a Politician Admits to Having an Abortion Simply Because She Wasn’t Read

And again, against my better "judgement" I responded to you, and yet I get the same old, tired response. You ignore the words, claim that I'm judgmental when in fact it's you who are chronically judgmental, and after painting me as you want me to be in order to further your agenda, you claim I show little respect for others, when in fact it is you who are incapable of respecting other poster's opinions without taking a personal shot at them.

Have a nice day and save your keystrokes - I won't be responding again.

I answered you specifically regarding the work and 'exclusions.' You choose to ignore that and get all defensive...probably because you cannot argue your point further.

And it was indeed dismissive the way you wrote it, dont deny it. Those are people's lives and you just dismissed the affects of those things on them. Own it. If you dont like it, maybe you are uncomfortable with the truth.

 

[Lursa]

Re: Finally, a Politician Admits to Having an Abortion Simply Because She Wasn’t Read

As I've learned the hard way, you're waging a losing battle with this one.

Mostly both of you seem to be avoiding the actual meaning of your own words.

It's the English language and I'm using it properly. Using the proper definitions of words.

Like I've just said...at least own it.

Dismissing women's careers and relationships and participation in the community is disrespectful.

Calling a woman's choice to abort for reasons you dont approve of as 'conveniences'....disrespectful.

 

[Removable Mind]

Re: Finally, a Politician Admits to Having an Abortion Simply Because She Wasn’t Read

Oh...Id say the unborn child is quite 'involved' in the results...just not the decision making process. Slice it and dice it however you like...the end result is the same...the fact remains that the slaughter of 56,662,169 unborn children because they were inconvenient is nothing to celebrate.

FIX THE FOLLOWING...then I'll lend an ear regarding the termination of unborn who don't suffer "at all" because of their termination..

DOES ANY PRO-LIFE CARE ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING TO BORN CHILDREN AROUND THE WORLD? Are the following statistics that tell us about the suffering that millions of children endure every day the duty of these children so pro-life can sleep at night?

Children are the most visible victims of undernutrition. Children who are poorly nourished suffer up to 160 days of illness each year. Poor nutrition plays a role in at least half of the 10.9 million child deaths each year--five million deaths. Undernutrition magnifies the effect of every disease, including measles and malaria.

The estimated proportions of deaths in which undernutrition is an underlying cause are roughly similar for diarrhea (61%), malaria (57%), pneumonia (52%), and measles (45%) (Black 2003, Bryce 2005). Malnutrition can also be caused by diseases, such as the diseases that cause diarrhea, by reducing the body's ability to convert food into usable nutrients.

According to the most recent estimate that Hunger Notes could find, malnutrition, as measured by stunting, affects 32.5 percent of children in developing countries--one of three (de Onis 2000). Geographically, more than 70 percent of malnourished children live in Asia, 26 percent in Africa and 4 percent in Latin America and the Caribbean. In many cases, their plight began even before birth with a malnourished mother. Under-nutrition among pregnant women in developing countries leads to 1 out of 6 infants born with low birth weight. This is not only a risk factor for neonatal deaths, but also causes learning disabilities, mental, retardation, poor health, blindness and premature death.

2013 World Hunger and Poverty Facts and Statistics by World Hunger Education Service

 

[nota bene]

Re: Finally, a Politician Admits to Having an Abortion Simply Because She Wasn’t Read

She's not celebrating her abortion; she's exploiting it for votes. Perhaps she will even become the new darling of the progressives because of her "courage."

 

[Scrabaholic]

Re: Finally, a Politician Admits to Having an Abortion Simply Because She Wasn’t Read

so her decision is all about deciding to be honest eh?.... honest about what?


tell the truth now... if she came out and told the god's honest truth and said " I went ahead and had my baby".. would we be having this discussion?... would you laud her as a hero or as being brave?

Anti choicers would be.

 

[VanceMack]

Re: Finally, a Politician Admits to Having an Abortion Simply Because She Wasn’t Read

FIX THE FOLLOWING...then I'll lend an ear regarding the termination of unborn who don't suffer "at all" because of their termination..

DOES ANY PRO-LIFE CARE ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING TO BORN CHILDREN AROUND THE WORLD? Are the following statistics that tell us about the suffering that millions of children endure every day the duty of these children so pro-life can sleep at night?

Thats a hell of an excuse and a weak diversion. "Its OK that we slaughter 56+ million unborn children in this country because children suffer in other places too."

 

[VanceMack]

Re: Finally, a Politician Admits to Having an Abortion Simply Because She Wasn’t Read

No one is celebrating anything. So..who is missing those unborn? No one.

What is the big deal? How does it affect you in any way?

My point was that you were being dishonest with all the inflammatory language...slaughter! children! not humane!

No kids, no slaughter, perfectly painless and not aware.

Slaughter, butcher, mass extermination...yes...all very REAL words when you are talking about celebrating killing the unborn because, you know...its just not convenient right now...

 

[Removable Mind]

Re: Finally, a Politician Admits to Having an Abortion Simply Because She Wasn’t Read

Thats a hell of an excuse and a weak diversion. "Its OK that we slaughter 56+ million unborn children in this country because children suffer in other places too."

The same number of children over the same span died horrible suffering deaths. The unborn that are abortion...don't suffer at all. They don't have the developed neural or brain development at the stage they are aborted to be aware...or feel pain. They don't know that they exist.

Once again...

No diversion -50 million born children who have died over the same period of time suffered horribly. 5 million children A YEAR DIE suffer terribly for several years before their deaths.

And apparently you don't care?

 

[Scrabaholic]

Re: Finally, a Politician Admits to Having an Abortion Simply Because She Wasn’t Read

I'm so hurt you don't admire me... whatever will i do now? :roll:

I did not say " consequences be damned"

maybe next time you'll read what is written before you go full retard.

Full what??? That is a disgusting word to use!

 

[VanceMack]

Re: Finally, a Politician Admits to Having an Abortion Simply Because She Wasn’t Read

The same number of children over the same span died horrible suffering deaths. The unborn that are abortion...don't suffer at all. They don't have the developed neural or brain development at the stage they are aborted to be aware...or feel pain. They don't know that they exist.

Once again...

No diversion -50 million born children who have died over the same period of time suffered horribly. 5 million children A YEAR DIE suffer terribly for several years before their deaths.

And apparently you don't care?

Its a complete diversion and a weak one at that. "Dont look at slaughtering millions of unborn children in the US every year for the crime of being inconvenient...look over there."

 

[Lursa]

Re: Finally, a Politician Admits to Having an Abortion Simply Because She Wasn’t Read

Slaughter, butcher, mass extermination...yes...all very REAL words when you are talking about celebrating killing the unborn because, you know...its just not convenient right now...

Left out a bit....all that stuff about: who's missing them? How are you affected in any way?

Probably not convenient to your position to answer those, huh?

 

[Removable Mind]

Re: Finally, a Politician Admits to Having an Abortion Simply Because She Wasn’t Read

Its a complete diversion and a weak one at that. "Dont look at slaughtering millions of unborn children in the US every year for the crime of being inconvenient...look over there."

What makes the unborn more important than the born?

 

[Removable Mind]

Re: Finally, a Politician Admits to Having an Abortion Simply Because She Wasn’t Read

Its a complete diversion and a weak one at that. "Dont look at slaughtering millions of unborn children in the US every year for the crime of being inconvenient...look over there."

Whoooooa...there was less than 800,000 abortions last year in the U.S....not MILLIONS!

 

[VanceMack]

Re: Finally, a Politician Admits to Having an Abortion Simply Because She Wasn’t Read

What makes the unborn more important than the born?

They arent MORE important. They are simply not unimportant. Celebrating the slaughter of 56 million unborn children for the crime of being inconvenient is grotesque.

 

[VanceMack]

Re: Finally, a Politician Admits to Having an Abortion Simply Because She Wasn’t Read

Whoooooa...there was less than 800,000 abortions last year in the U.S....not MILLIONS!

There have been 56 million + since 1973. 800,000 a year...a million a year...meh...

 

[VanceMack]

Re: Finally, a Politician Admits to Having an Abortion Simply Because She Wasn’t Read

Left out a bit....all that stuff about: who's missing them? How are you affected in any way?

Probably not convenient to your position to answer those, huh?

Its a helluva a position you take and I get why it simply doesnt matter to you...I admit. SHOOOOOORE we are OK with slaughtering the inconvenient unborn. Cuz...after all...who will miss them?

 

[Removable Mind]

Re: Finally, a Politician Admits to Having an Abortion Simply Because She Wasn’t Read

There have been 56 million + since 1973. 800,000 a year...a million a year...meh...

I'm telling you that 5 million children a year die ...KNOW, FEELING, SUFFERING...till the die. And that doesn't matter to you? That's a diversion?

WHY IS AN UNBORN that feels NOTHING when it's aborted. Isn't AWARE of itself...more important that these 5 million children who are clearly aware of their terrible suffering? Why aren't these BORN CHILDREN more important?

 

[Lursa]

Re: Finally, a Politician Admits to Having an Abortion Simply Because She Wasn’t Read

They arent MORE important. They are simply not unimportant. Celebrating the slaughter of 56 million unborn children for the crime of being inconvenient is grotesque.

There's no celebration...the lying and attempts at emotional blackmail are grotesque.

34,000 women in the US die or nearly die every year during childbirth or pregnancy. That is a very real risk. Another 52,000 have severe complications that can harm them the rest of their lives, like kidney failure, aneurysms, strokes, etc.

They cannot be predicted or prevented...or they wouldnt happen, would they? (These arent last minute abortions to 'save the mother.' These are the basic common hazards of being pregnant.)

What gives anyone else the right to tell a woman that her life and health are just conveniences? That she should take these real RISKS against her will?

 

[Lursa]

Re: Finally, a Politician Admits to Having an Abortion Simply Because She Wasn’t Read

Its a helluva a position you take and I get why it simply doesnt matter to you...I admit. SHOOOOOORE we are OK with slaughtering the inconvenient unborn. Cuz...after all...who will miss them?

How are you affected by this? Who is missing these unborn? Anyone? Only the mothers perhaps...and if so, those are her consequences to bear, right?

They are unquantified, have no value. Society can place no value on them at all...only the mother can, if she desires, or perhaps immediate family. So as you've been asked, why do you promote the unborn as more important that the born? The woman that is a valuable part of society already?

 

[ecofarm]

Re: Finally, a Politician Admits to Having an Abortion Simply Because She Wasn’t Read

How are you affected by this? Who is missing these unborn? Anyone? Only the mothers perhaps...and if so, those are her consequences to bear, right?

They are unquantified, have no value. Society can place no value on them at all...only the mother can, if she desires, or perhaps immediate family.

The same could be said of criminals... kill them all?

So as you've been asked, why do you promote the unborn as more important that the born? The woman that is a valuable part of society already?

One is not more important, the presumption is they have equal rights.

 

[VanceMack]

Re: Finally, a Politician Admits to Having an Abortion Simply Because She Wasn’t Read

How are you affected by this? Who is missing these unborn? Anyone? Only the mothers perhaps...and if so, those are her consequences to bear, right?

They are unquantified, have no value. Society can place no value on them at all...only the mother can, if she desires, or perhaps immediate family. So as you've been asked, why do you promote the unborn as more important that the born? The woman that is a valuable part of society already?

I'm not missing anyone murdered that isnt directly related to me., Does that mean we should only be concerned if it is someone we know?

They have no value.

Like I said...I understand perfectly why you hold the unborn to have no value and applaud you for your candor.

 

[VanceMack]

Re: Finally, a Politician Admits to Having an Abortion Simply Because She Wasn’t Read

I'm telling you that 5 million children a year die ...KNOW, FEELING, SUFFERING...till the die. And that doesn't matter to you? That's a diversion?

WHY IS AN UNBORN that feels NOTHING when it's aborted. Isn't AWARE of itself...more important that these 5 million children who are clearly aware of their terrible suffering? Why aren't these BORN CHILDREN more important?

You want to divert the attention away from a very real problem with another very real problem. But they are unrelated and it simply wont work. Starving children in India has less than zero to do with celebrating the slaughter of unborn children in this country because they are inconvenient.



Thats 100,000. Multiply that by 8. Annually.

No big deal.

 

[Removable Mind]

Re: Finally, a Politician Admits to Having an Abortion Simply Because She Wasn’t Read

You want to divert the attention away from a very real problem with another very real problem. But they are unrelated and it simply wont work. Starving children in India has less than zero to do with celebrating the slaughter of unborn children in this country because they are inconvenient.

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Thats 100,000. Multiply that by 8. Annually.

No big deal.

You are the one doing the diversion now. You have no interest in born children's suffering and death. And you refuse to answer why the unborn or more important than the born,

 

[Doppelgangirl]

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The post you are replying to is exactly what I meant when I said that given what I've seen flung at women who disclose their abortions in various debate venues, I don't blame others for not wanting to say they have had one. I blocked him after being told I should kill myself.

Thank you. It's nice to know I'm not alone.

It was quite a shock for a first post...I've read some pretty hateful stuff.

My guess is that one is not on the DP *Welcoming Committee." :2wave:

There's no celebration...the lying and attempts at emotional blackmail are grotesque.

34,000 women in the US die or nearly die every year during childbirth or pregnancy. That is a very real risk. Another 52,000 have severe complications that can harm them the rest of their lives, like kidney failure, aneurysms, strokes, etc.

They cannot be predicted or prevented...or they wouldnt happen, would they? (These arent last minute abortions to 'save the mother.' These are the basic common hazards of being pregnant.)

What gives anyone else the right to tell a woman that her life and health are just conveniences? That she should take these real RISKS against her will?

Absolutely. 100%. Agreed.

One is not more important, the presumption is they have equal rights.

(bolded mine)

How?

I would sincerely appreciate a direct answer. How do you propose to do that? It is physically impossible to do so.

Pro-lifers would, IMHO, get some credit for at least *acknowledging* this fact.

 

[VanceMack]

Re: Finally, a Politician Admits to Having an Abortion Simply Because She Wasn’t Read

You are the one doing the diversion now. You have no interest in born children's suffering and death. And you refuse to answer why the unborn or more important than the born,

You have no idea of my concern, position, or actions of others in other circumstances. You are simply sad I wont let you divert attention away from the OP...celebrating the slaughter of the unborn in the name of convenience.