Feminism is reactive with latent misandry in both men and women (1 Viewer)

[Celebrity]

Women commonly consider themselves part of a minority group. Statistically, females consist of approximately half of the population, while they have been historically underrepresented in various fields, offices and vocations. And that is true - women consist of a minority of disconnected workers and students. The number of women who are unemployed and not in school has steadily decreased since the 1960's. Some would say that the first wave feminists succeeded in their dream of realizing equality of the sexes and/or, did the very best for women that anyone could have done under those circumstances, regardless of whether or not they were actively discriminated against by men. Perhaps the best measure of improvement is not by how much money one takes, or how powerful one is, but by whether or not one is more educable and more employable.

Likewise, tolerance of men is perhaps the best measure of how equal a feminist society is. For example, the measure of success is not how much money that women make for themselves, but how much they are willing to calculate as an hourly wage for breakfast, lunch dinner, and raw materials when calculating alimoney. There may be no better arena for this measure than sexual intercourse. But do feminists tolerate male sexuality? Yes, to an extent. When sperm enters a woman's vagina, on the other hand, not all feminists can resist throwing men under the bus. This is the line that is drawn in the sand. So, in other words, "my body, my choice," is not about equality at all. In fact, it's not just about bodies, either. We act with our bodies in the world. We make sounds with our mouths so we may socialize. And while it might seem like a crazy conspiracy that men should enjoy equal protection under the law, men also make choices with their bodies. One of those choices is sexual intercourse, of which the goal for many men is orgasm, which is commonly achieved via ejaculation.

How does this all relate to feminism? Well, feminism is no longer about equality of the sexes. In theory, we have passed that point. But unless women are equal to men in all things except greediness, then they will continue to want more, and more. Therefore, feminists are interested in promoting women's rights, advocating for women's issues in various academic and business arenas, and improving conditions for women at the expense of men.

It doesn't seem so bad, does it? But wait, there's more. If we are to be a competitive society, then it makes sense that women should be able to stab just as many people in the back as men do, and minimize the ratio of backstabbing to pie in the sky. Greed is just a part of a capitalist society, who is to tell women that they shouldn't be greedy? Well, they are, but that's not the point. The point is that some of these women harbor feelings of resentment against men which are exhibited in latent female chauvinism.

And if you thought that was scary, I'm going to dress up as a feminist for Halloween.

Like this guy. Chicks dig Ryan Gosling. #SheKnows

 

[Henrin]

Just want to note that feminism is actually sexist against both sexes.

 

[Abbazorkzog]

LOL at this thread hahahahahaha xSD

:lamo

 

[Celebrity]

Just want to note that feminism is actually sexist against both sexes.

LOL at this thread hahahahahaha xSD

:lamo

If I had to pick between categorizing Feminism as a cruel joke, or indiscriminate sexism, I think I'd go with cruel joke. How is feminism not sexist only in womyn's favor?

 

[Henrin]

If I had to pick between categorizing Feminism as a cruel joke, or indiscriminate sexism, I think I'd go with cruel joke. How is feminism not sexist only in womyn's favor?

Ask women that prefer to act like women that. Feminists like to call out femininity and all its common behaviors as somehow the fault of men ignoring completely that these women have decided to live their lives as they may and men did not in any sort of way tell them to do this or that. Feminists used to go after stay at home moms too until women told them to shut the **** up about it and they changed their tune to the idea women can stay at home if they want.

 

[Celebrity]

Ask women that prefer to act like women that. Feminists like to call out femininity and all its common behaviors as somehow the fault of men ignoring completely that these women have decided to live their lives as they may and men did not in any sort of way tell them to do this or that. Feminists used to go after stay at home moms too until women told them to shut the **** up about it and they changed their tune to the idea women can stay at home if they want.

Oh right, yes feminism does do that. I forgot, since I don't like to act like a woman.

It's kind of hard for me to put a finger on what it means to be a woman. I think a lot of the time, we assume that women are delicate submissives who need to be paid to live beautiful, made-up, fairy-tale lives by men.

Now feminists don't just go after stay at home moms. They think women should have it both ways: equal income and the rule of an iron fist in the family and home. When women say "lean in" they mean "push men out." When women say "equality of the sexes" they mean "more for women at the expense of men." I think feminist women will go to great lengths to deny that they are against chauvinists. Kind of like the white supremacist who has a token black friend. The first guy women will cite as evidence that they love all men is probably their husband. No conflict of interest there! At least we know for certain that they're secure about their sexuality. :roll:

But what it boils down to is that Hillary Clinton is going to enact policies which are oppressive of men.

Women in this country are confident that they can win votes for Hillary Clinton by portraying Donald Trump as a misogynist. If women aren't comfortable with a man like Donald Trump being openly critical of women for their flaws, then I have to seriously question the grounds upon which the idea is situated that feminists should criticize society for the so-called "patriarchy." The double standard is clear: women blame men for that which men are not allowed blame women.

And this is exactly the type of discriminatory behavior which leads to extremist behavior and damages the fabric of society. I'm all for freedom of expression, but I think that the public and private sectors have become shrewd in their analysis of what it means to be a bigot. Women have historically not made likely bigots, but today it is more common than ever. I don't want to hear another woman complain about her position and her place because "men did it." I'm not affluent, and I don't blame women in general for that, even though there are individual women who have done me severe, enduring economic disservices.

 

[Henrin]

Oh right, yes feminism does do that. I forgot, since I don't like to act like a woman.

It's kind of hard for me to put a finger on what it means to be a woman. I think a lot of the time, we assume that women are delicate submissives who need to be paid to live beautiful, made-up, fairy-tale lives by men.

Now feminists don't just go after stay at home moms. They think women should have it both ways: equal income and the rule of an iron fist in the family and home. When women say "lean in" they mean "push men out." When women say "equality of the sexes" they mean "more for women at the expense of men." I think feminist women will go to great lengths to deny that they are against chauvinists. Kind of like the white supremacist who has a token black friend. The first guy women will cite as evidence that they love all men is probably their husband. No conflict of interest there! At least we know for certain that they're secure about their sexuality. :roll:

But what it boils down to is that Hillary Clinton is going to enact policies which are oppressive of men.

Women in this country are confident that they can win votes for Hillary Clinton by portraying Donald Trump as a misogynist. If women aren't comfortable with a man like Donald Trump being openly critical of women for their flaws, then I have to seriously question the grounds upon which the idea is situated that feminists should criticize society for the so-called "patriarchy." The double standard is clear: women blame men for that which men are not allowed blame women.

And this is exactly the type of discriminatory behavior which leads to extremist behavior and damages the fabric of society. I'm all for freedom of expression, but I think that the public and private sectors have become shrewd in their analysis of what it means to be a bigot. Women have historically not made likely bigots, but today it is more common than ever. I don't want to hear another woman complain about her position and her place because "men did it." I'm not affluent, and I don't blame women in general for that, even though there are individual women who have done me severe, enduring economic disservices.

The thing with stay at home moms that pissed feminists off was that it was a sign of submissiveness and oppression from men. When a successful woman decided to drop her career and go back into caring for her children that infuriated them as they saw it as a threat to woman's progress. The fear that women were going to revert back to the role that feminists already determined men forced on women in the past would result in the patriarchy rising from the ashes to consume them all according to them. If a business women that was moving up in the business world dropped out and went back home there was no worse sign to them imaginable that men still had power over women. The worst enemy of all however is the traditional woman that still finds worth in living by the old rules reflected the fear that women had natural tendencies that made them happy and that they weren't just an empty slate that could be built up any old way feminists desired.

As for women being iron fists in the home, feminists were never opposed to the idea as much as they might claim today. The movement actually encouraged women to be more forcible with men in their lives in the name of equality and equal work, and better more giving men.

 

[SenorXm/Sirius]

The hatred of women from some on this site is telling. I think there's some people here need coitus.

I'm trying to keep it nerdy.

 

[Celebrity]

I don't think there are many women on this site who express their hate of men. Some, yes, but for the most part, it's latent chauvinism. It's too bad, really. You meet great people and you think they're nice, then all of the sudden you find out that they think men who orgasm while they're having sex with women lost their civil rights.

I can understand that some women want to control men. I just find it sad that any reasonable women who either don't hate men or don't want to control men are willing to sit back and watch it happen for "the greater good."

 

[instagramsci]

Misandry isn't a thing

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[TheGoverness]

Misandry isn't a thing

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Um. Yes it is.

 

[Henrin]

I don't think there are many women on this site who express their hate of men. Some, yes, but for the most part, it's latent chauvinism. It's too bad, really. You meet great people and you think they're nice, then all of the sudden you find out that they think men who orgasm while they're having sex with women lost their civil rights.

I can understand that some women want to control men. I just find it sad that any reasonable women who either don't hate men or don't want to control men are willing to sit back and watch it happen for "the greater good."

Feminists don't hate men, they hate men that don't brow to their world view, defer to their wishes, and embrace their ****. They love men that think and act like women, but a man that acts and thinks like a man is just a sexist pig. Getting women to act like men and women to act like men is regrettably a goal they will never admit they have, but it is fact one they do.

 

[Celebrity]

Feminists don't hate men, they hate men that don't brow to their world view, defer to their wishes, and embrace their ****. They love men that think and act like women, but a man that acts and thinks like a man is just a sexist pig. Getting women to act like men and women to act like men is regrettably a goal they will never admit they have, but it is fact one they do.

Getting women to act like men and men to act like women is so twisted you said it one way, twice.

 

[instagramsci]

Um. Yes it is.

Uh. No, it isn't?

 

[Henrin]

Uh. No, it isn't?

You need quotes from sexist feminists, do you?

"The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race. Sally Miller Gearhart, in The Future" – If There Is One – Is Female

"I feel that ‘man-hating’ is an honourable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them." – Robin Morgan, Ms. Magazine Editor

"To call a man an animal is to flatter him; he’s a machine, a walking dildo." -– Valerie Solanas

"Rape is nothing more or less than a conscious process of intimidation by which all men keep all women in a state of fear" — Susan Brownmiller

"All men are rapists and that’s all they are" — Marilyn French

 

[nota bene]

I don't think there are many women on this site who express their hate of men. Some, yes, but for the most part, it's latent chauvinism. It's too bad, really. You meet great people and you think they're nice, then all of the sudden you find out that they think men who orgasm while they're having sex with women lost their civil rights.

I can understand that some women want to control men. I just find it sad that any reasonable women who either don't hate men or don't want to control men are willing to sit back and watch it happen for "the greater good."

I don't actually know any women who want to control men. I'm sure there are some, just as there are some men who enjoy being "whipped." If that's their thing, fine with me. I've self-defined as a feminist most of my life and think when I read threads such as this that some confuse "feminazis" with "feminists." I don't get the misperception that feminists hate men at all. I love men.

But to paraphrase Rebecca West, women are called "feminists" any time they distinguish themselves from doormats and prostitutes. :mrgreen:

From dissident feminist Camille Paglia writing in the Spectator:

‘My philosophy of feminism,’ the New York-born 69-year-old explains, ‘I call street-smart Amazon feminism. I’m from an immigrant family. The way I was brought up was: the world is a dangerous place; you must learn to defend yourself. You can’t be a fool. You have to stay alert.’ Today, she suggests, middle-class girls are being reared in a precisely contrary fashion: cosseted, indulged and protected from every evil, they become helpless victims when confronted by adversity. ‘We are rocketing backwards here to the Victorian period with this belief that women are not capable of making decisions on their own. This is not feminism — which is to achieve independent thought and action. There will never be equality of the sexes if we think that women are so handicapped they can’t look after themselves.’ ‘The woman is a disaster!’: Camille Paglia on Hillary Clinton

 

[instagramsci]

You need quotes from sexist feminists, do you?

"The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race. Sally Miller Gearhart, in The Future" – If There Is One – Is Female

"I feel that ‘man-hating’ is an honourable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them." – Robin Morgan, Ms. Magazine Editor

"To call a man an animal is to flatter him; he’s a machine, a walking dildo." -– Valerie Solanas

"Rape is nothing more or less than a conscious process of intimidation by which all men keep all women in a state of fear" — Susan Brownmiller

"All men are rapists and that’s all they are" — Marilyn French

So you're presenting quotes from people with hardly any influence as proof of what? I don't get it

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[Henrin]

So you're presenting quotes from people with hardly any influence as proof of what? I don't get it

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Why in the world does it matter if they are influential to anything to prove my point? They could have just been men showing themselves to be misandrists, ffs. It literally doesn't matter who they are when all I'm trying to prove is that misandry is a thing.

 

[Fishking]

So you're presenting quotes from people with hardly any influence as proof of what? I don't get it

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Proof of misandry.

 

[Fishking]

Misandry isn't a thing

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While I have no idea what the OP is even trying to say, misandry definitely is a thing.

 

[instagramsci]

Why in the world does it matter if they are influential to anything to prove my point? They could have just been men showing themselves to be misandrists, ffs. It literally doesn't matter who they are when all I'm trying to prove is that misandry is a thing.

Do you believe that misandry is a major driving force behind sexism?

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[Henrin]

So you're presenting quotes from people with hardly any influence as proof of what? I don't get it

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Maybe instead of those losers you want Gloria Steinem talking about how it was a good thing feminism emasculated men since apparently only sexist quotes from important people matter to you.

 

[Henrin]

Do you believe that misandry is a major driving force behind sexism?

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So now it's not that it doesn't exist, but that it's not a big deal. :roll:

Keep moving the goal posts.

 

[Fishking]

Um. Yes it is.

$20 (s)he is one of those people who think you have to be in a "privilege/power" group to be an -ist of whatever form because they have made the definition for these things to include "systemic". So blacks can't be racist because they aren't in a position of power in society and women cannot be misandrists.

 

[Celebrity]

I don't actually know any women who want to control men. I'm sure there are some, just as there are some men who enjoy being "whipped." If that's their thing, fine with me. I've self-defined as a feminist most of my life and think when I read threads such as this that some confuse "feminazis" with "feminists." I don't get the misperception that feminists hate men at all. I love men.

But to paraphrase Rebecca West, women are called "feminists" any time they distinguish themselves from doormats and prostitutes. :mrgreen:

From dissident feminist Camille Paglia writing in the Spectator:

‘My philosophy of feminism,’ the New York-born 69-year-old explains, ‘I call street-smart Amazon feminism. I’m from an immigrant family. The way I was brought up was: the world is a dangerous place; you must learn to defend yourself. You can’t be a fool. You have to stay alert.’ Today, she suggests, middle-class girls are being reared in a precisely contrary fashion: cosseted, indulged and protected from every evil, they become helpless victims when confronted by adversity. ‘We are rocketing backwards here to the Victorian period with this belief that women are not capable of making decisions on their own. This is not feminism — which is to achieve independent thought and action. There will never be equality of the sexes if we think that women are so handicapped they can’t look after themselves.’ ‘The woman is a disaster!’: Camille Paglia on Hillary Clinton

That sounds fine by me, but I wouldn't put it past Hillary Clinton to - oh wait, that feminist thinks Hillary Clinton is a disaster. I see.

This is going to be a horrible four years for everybody. :shock: