Federal Judge Strikes Down Texas Voter ID Law[W:282]

[JasperL]

Re: Federal Judge Strikes Down Texas Voter ID Law

Why? I know the Brennan center will start the study with the conclusion in mind, just like no one here takes Bretibart seriously as a source, why would take the word of a think tank for the far left?

LOL, so you didn't even click on the link. If you had you'd know it linked to dozens and dozens of studies, court cases, etc. done by all kinds of groups, experts, universities. Even many efforts by GOPers hoping to justify their new laws are cited. So you don't need to read any study by the Brennan Center - the links were to studies done by others.

 

[JasperL]

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it is the best possible example because it shows that people get through the cracks and only get caught when they do something major. this guy could've voted illegally his entire life and no one would've caught him. how many more are out there? we don't know because no resources are allocated to finding out. so I simply do not buy the "there is no voting fraud" argument, I can point to this one, because the election officials didn't catch him and the Brennan Center certainly didn't find him either. He was clearly not accounted for in their models.

Actually he is accounted for in their models - as a good example of the kind of voter fraud NOT caught by BS GOP 'photo ID' laws. They make the point that ID at the polls is not intended to and does not provide proof of eligibility to vote - that's the role of voter registration. We know that photo ID doesn't serve that role because photo ID accepted at the polls is available to ineligible voters like that guy.

 

[JasperL]

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I haven't really looked into this so I don't particularly know the details. If it is as you say then that is one of the reasons why in my opinion no law should be passed without bipartisan support.

My comment is about the general views on voter ID. As soon as it is brought up it is shot down immediately as racist or oppressive to minorities. I just think both sides should come together to produce a plan that would eliminate the fears of both sides.

That's not quite fair, really. The threads I've seen are almost always about the worst of the worst when it comes to voter ID laws. It takes a lot for a federal court to strike them down, but Texas managed to git er done, as did NC. So we're discussing a particularly awful law passed under particularly awful procedures. MANY states have 'voter ID' laws that don't impose an undue burden, most signfiicantly because they have long lists of ID they accept at the polls for already registered voters, and there is no evidence anywhere these long lists increase the rate of 'voter fraud.'

Point is I and I think most if not nearly all 'liberals' don't have a problem with 'voter ID.' I have serious problems with some really terrible 'voter ID' laws in a very few states governed by morons.

 

[Fishking]

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Good stuff. Restrictive voting laws that "coincidentally" target demographics that just happen to vote Democratic is the real voting fraud in America today, and the voter id law is a particularly common one.

What I found of interest is that the Texas law was first passed in the same year that North Carolina's own voting law was created, which a judge on the panel that struck it down described as targeting African Americans with "surgical precision." I can't be sure, but I wonder if a country-wide trend in passing such laws existed.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/10/us/federal-judge-strikes-down-texas-voter-id-law.html

What demographic are you talking about and how is it restrictive?

 

[Cardinal]

Re: Federal Judge Strikes Down Texas Voter ID Law

what demographic are you talking about and how is it restrictive?

rtt

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[chromium]

Re: Federal Judge Strikes Down Texas Voter ID Law

Of course, that's how it works. They do what they can get away with. What it's really proof of isn't just their hatred of minorities, but their willingness to do anything for power. They'd gladly take a dictatorship, as long as it's them in charge

 

[Media_Truth]

Re: Federal Judge Strikes Down Texas Voter ID Law

Good stuff. Restrictive voting laws that "coincidentally" target demographics that just happen to vote Democratic is the real voting fraud in America today, and the voter id law is a particularly common one.

What I found of interest is that the Texas law was first passed in the same year that North Carolina's own voting law was created, which a judge on the panel that struck it down described as targeting African Americans with "surgical precision." I can't be sure, but I wonder if a country-wide trend in passing such laws existed.



https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/10/us/federal-judge-strikes-down-texas-voter-id-law.html

The goal of voting should be to assure that every non-felonius American citizen turns up to vote. My state of Colorado, has a vote-by-mail option, and I strongly support this. More states are going to this, and it totally goes against voter IDs. It also eliminates a lot of the last-minute illegal tactics of the Republicans, such as espousing Political views from the pulpit.

 

[jmotivator]

Re: Federal Judge Strikes Down Texas Voter ID Law

Good stuff. Restrictive voting laws that "coincidentally" target demographics that just happen to vote Democratic is the real voting fraud in America today, and the voter id law is a particularly common one.

What I found of interest is that the Texas law was first passed in the same year that North Carolina's own voting law was created, which a judge on the panel that struck it down described as targeting African Americans with "surgical precision." I can't be sure, but I wonder if a country-wide trend in passing such laws existed.



https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/10/us/federal-judge-strikes-down-texas-voter-id-law.html

Obama appointment ruled for liberal cause and the article justifies it with the opinion of a liberal law professor who worked for Obama.

And what evidence is provided in that article to show that the law "intentionally discriminates"? None.

 

[jmotivator]

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Let me guess, Democrats being racist and saying minorities are too stupid,poor,lazy, or confused to get an ID again?

This. The soft bigotry of low expectation permeates every facet of the left's ideology.

 

[jmotivator]

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No, nothing of the sort. If you had read the link, you'd know that.

You people seem to be reading a different article.

 

[jmotivator]

Re: Federal Judge Strikes Down Texas Voter ID Law

1) Because it is common sense that a law requiring a valid, state issued, photo ID of all adults is constitutional - we have hundreds of them.

2) OK, but if the same law was found to be constitutional in Indiana then that should make it so in Texas.

That is the laughable thing about this ruling. The judge needed to make it about Texas specifically to circumvent the fact that the law was already upheld in Indiana so her ruling was based on circumstantial evidence that the law intended to discriminate ... and her evidence was a previous ruling that a redistricting was rule to discriminate.

This will be thrown out.

 

[Common Sense 1]

Re: Federal Judge Strikes Down Texas Voter ID Law

Sounds like Justice Gorsuch may be ruling on this!

 

[Common Sense 1]

Re: Federal Judge Strikes Down Texas Voter ID Law

Just a little note from the story:

The judge, Nelva Gonzales Ramos of the United States District Court for the Southern District of Texas, had made a similar ruling in 2014, but after Texas appealed her decision, a federal appellate court instructed her to review the issue once more.

The appeals court — the United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit, in New Orleans — found that Judge Ramos had relied too heavily on Texas’ history of discriminatory voting measures and other evidence it labeled “infirm” and asked her to reweigh the question of discriminatory intent.

 

[JasperL]

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Obama appointment ruled for liberal cause and the article justifies it with the opinion of a liberal law professor who worked for Obama.

And what evidence is provided in that article to show that the law "intentionally discriminates"? None.

Of course what matters is the evidence presented at the various trials, not in the article. Perhaps it's in the courts' opinions (including the 5th circuit appeals court, including an en banc review that the SC declined to review) where you should look for evidence. Here's a handy guide:

https://www.brennancenter.org/legal-work/naacp-v-steen

 

[JasperL]

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What demographic are you talking about and how is it restrictive?

Acting dumb isn't a good debate strategy. :roll:

 

[JasperL]

Re: Federal Judge Strikes Down Texas Voter ID Law

This. The soft bigotry of low expectation permeates every facet of the left's ideology.

Nice! How does that relate to anything being discussed on this thread? What exactly did the judge get wrong?

 

[Common Sense 1]

Re: Federal Judge Strikes Down Texas Voter ID Law

So having obtaining a photo ID so you can vote is somehow discriminatory in 2017?
People can take this to court spend millions but you can not get an ID? Insane!

Who does not have ID today? I have been going to the same doctor for 20 years and the first thing they ask for
is my insurance card and drivers license. If you bank you need ID, to fly you need ID, to rent an apartment you
need an ID. To drive you need an ID. To get in a federal Building you need an ID. To cash an check you need ID.
How would a person function in society today without an ID? I don't get it?

My point is why would someone not have some sort of ID today 2017?




The law was passed by the Legislature and signed by then-Gov. Rick Perry in 2011, but took effect in 2013. It required voters to show a driver’s license, passport or other government-issued photo ID before casting a ballot. It was previously found by the appellate court to have a discriminatory effect on black and Hispanic voters, many of whom lacked government-issued photo identification, and as a result was softened for the November 2016 election.

 

[rocket88]

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No, there is no federal constitutional right to vote, as there is to bear arms.

Yes there is. It's right in the 26th Amendment.

The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age.

Also the 15th.

Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

 

[JasperL]

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That is the laughable thing about this ruling. The judge needed to make it about Texas specifically to circumvent the fact that the law was already upheld in Indiana so her ruling was based on circumstantial evidence that the law intended to discriminate ... and her evidence was a previous ruling that a redistricting was rule to discriminate.

This will be thrown out.

Just so we are clear, the judge's primary ruling was upheld first by a 3 judge panel, then by a full review of the 5th Circuit, which as you know isn't one of them librul circuits - 10 of 15 appointed by republicans. That ruling was appealed to the SC, which they declined to hear in January 2017.

 

[JasperL]

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So having obtaining a photo ID so you can vote is somehow discriminatory in 2017?
People can take this to court spend millions but you can not get an ID? Insane!

Who does not have ID today? I have been going to the same doctor for 20 years and the first thing they ask for
is my insurance card and drivers license. If you bank you need ID, to fly you need ID, to rent an apartment you
need an ID. To drive you need an ID. To get in a federal Building you need an ID. To cash an check you need ID.
How would a person function in society today without an ID? I don't get it?

My point is why would someone not have some sort of ID today 2017?

The answer is almost everyone DOES have some sort of ID today, but in Texas about 600,000 registered voters didn't have one of the very few IDs acceptable at the polls.

And we could discuss your list (such as at your doctor's office - shocker but many poor have no insurance!), but it doesn't matter 'how' they function - what matters is they DO function just fine without one of the IDs on the list. We know this - several states have done the study, and of poor inner city residents, something like 20% don't have an acceptable ID. The number is well into the millions nationwide.

 

[Common Sense 1]

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The answer is almost everyone DOES have some sort of ID today, but in Texas about 600,000 registered voters didn't have one of the very few IDs acceptable at the polls.

And we could discuss your list (such as at your doctor's office - shocker but many poor have no insurance!), but it doesn't matter 'how' they function - what matters is they DO function just fine without one of the IDs on the list. We know this - several states have done the study, and of poor inner city residents, something like 20% don't have an acceptable ID. The number is well into the millions nationwide.

So help get people ID instead of making our voting system weaker! I know some states that have voters ID laws will give free ID if people can not afford one.
There is absolutely no reason that people don't have ID today.

As far as an health insurance card for the Dr if you don't have one then obviously you can not show it? But why would they not have one with Obamacare? Thought every was covered? That is what we were told?

 

[jmotivator]

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Of course what matters is the evidence presented at the various trials, not in the article. Perhaps it's in the courts' opinions (including the 5th circuit appeals court, including an en banc review that the SC declined to review) where you should look for evidence. Here's a handy guide:

https://www.brennancenter.org/legal-work/naacp-v-steen

You think evidence exists in there that doesn't. The case was remanded to Ramos specifically because the higher court stated that she had failed to prove intent, which is a requirement to strike down the law. In her latest decision she concluded that because the state legislature didn't accept amendments to the bill, and because the state had been previously cited for discriminatory redistricting that circumstantial evidence existed to prove intent, while admitting that there is no evidence that any legislator was actually motivated by discrimination.

This whole crazy movement by the left is driven by a study that is falling apart under scrutiny.

It was BS

 

[jmotivator]

Re: Federal Judge Strikes Down Texas Voter ID Law

Just so we are clear, the judge's primary ruling was upheld first by a 3 judge panel, then by a full review of the 5th Circuit, which as you know isn't one of them librul circuits - 10 of 15 appointed by republicans. That ruling was appealed to the SC, which they declined to hear in January 2017.

Just to be clear, there now exists contradictory rulings at the state level which all but guarantees a return to the SCOTUS

 

[Common Sense 1]

Re: Federal Judge Strikes Down Texas Voter ID Law

Required Identification for Voting in Person Texas

VoteTexas.gov » Need ID?

Press Release: Voters who do not possess and cannot reasonably obtain one of the seven forms of approved photo ID have additional options at the polls

Frequently Asked Questions

On August 10, 2016, a federal district court entered an order changing the voter identification requirements for all elections held in Texas after August 10, 2016 until further notice. As a result, voters who possess an acceptable form of photo identification for voting listed below are still required to present it in order to vote in person in all Texas elections. The acceptable form of photo identification may be expired up to four years. Voters who do not possess an acceptable form of photo identification and cannot obtain one of the forms of acceptable photo identification listed below due to a reasonable impediment, may present a supporting form of identification and execute a Reasonable Impediment Declaration, noting the voter’s reasonable impediment to obtaining an acceptable form of photo identification, and stating that the voter is the same person on the presented supporting form of identification.

This requirement is effective immediately.

Here is a list of the acceptable forms of photo ID:

Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS)
Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS
Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS
United States military identification card containing the person’s photograph
United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s photograph
United States passport

With the exception of the U.S. citizenship certificate, the identification must be current or have expired no more than 4 years before being presented for voter qualification at the polling place.

Election Identification Certificates are available from DPS driver license offices during regular business hours. Find mobile station locations here.

Here is a list of the supporting forms of ID that can be presented if the voter does not possess one of the forms of acceptable photo ID and cannot obtain one due to a reasonable impediment:

Valid voter registration certificate
Certified birth certificate (must be an original)
Copy of or original current utility bill
Copy of or original bank statement
Copy of or original government check
Copy of or original paycheck
Copy of or original government document with your name and an address (original required if it contains a photograph)

After presenting a supporting form of ID, the voter must execute a Reasonable Impediment Declaration.

 

[poweRob]

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Actually I did, seems you can't read.

That'd also help you a lot if I couldn't read. Unfortunately for you, myself and the other people here can read and it is becoming very embarrassing for you.