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Let me throw a rock at you and I'll see you in the obituaries.
My notion isn't that rocks arent that big of a deal. It's that hand thrwon rocks aren't that big of a deal. Granted, one instance in that video showed that hand thrown rocks can be a major issue in certain circumstances (like when the velocity of a vehicle is incorporated into the impact force generated by said rock). Aside from that one example (which was't the case in this instance) the other things were minor.
The agents got stitches from rocks is no worse than a lot of **** I've seen on construction sites. Far better than quite a few injuries of seen on construction sites, to be honest.
Jobs that have risks will have injuries. They should be wearing wear hard hats or helmets. I'd have gotten fined a ****load by OSHA for having guys on a job without hardhats.
Let me throw a rock at you and I'll see you in the obituaries.
People who know that thrown rocks are extremely unlikely to kill someone in reality. :shrug:
Then let me throw a rock at your head and I'll see you in the obituaries.
Basically, it comes down to this: they are using every hyperbole in the book to try to justify a shooting that may or may not have been justified. I will still hold judgment against the agent in this particular instance until an investigation is reported. However, in general, if rocks are coming from behind a boundary, I think the smart and reasonable thing to do is to move away from the boundary out of rock throwing range but still within accurate firing range. Bullet trumps rock in terms of accurate range so I don't think it should be too hard.
So your response to the use of deadly force is to retreat?
Good to know, we should just tell bankrobbers to use large chunks of concrete instead of guns from now on.
Hyperbole much?
That's not what I said at all. Try reading and responding to what was actually posted.
You go right ahead and do that and I will go right ahead and point and laugh at you. The two situations aren't even comparable.
That's exactly what you said. You suggested that the officer should have retreated after the rocks were thrown.
Really how so?
Assault with a Deadly Weapon (ADW); California Penal Code 245(a)(1) pcWhat is a Deadly Weapon?
We typically think of deadly weapons as being something obvious like a gun or knife. However, everyday "innocent" objects or instruments will qualify when used in ways that are likely to result in severe harm to another.
California’s Penal Code section 245(a)(1) defines "deadly weapon" as an object, instrument, or weapon that is capable of producing and likely to produce death or great bodily injury.5 Hands and feet are not considered "deadly weapons", as the definition is limited to objects that are not part of one’s body.6
Let’s look at some situations where otherwise "innocent" objects will qualify as deadly weapons when used to intentionally harm another.
Examples:
Swinging a beer bottle at another
Threatening to stab another in the neck with a sharp pencil
Ramming your car into another person or another’s car (while the individual is inside)
All of these items...the bottle, pencil, and vehicle...are perfectly innocent when used normally. However, "deadly weapon" is a catchall and can include anything (other than a body part) that has the ability to cause substantial harm to another if used in a threatening way. This means that
a beer bottle,
a pencil,
a dog,
a cigarette lighter,
steel-toed boots,
a car,
a rock, or
anything else (when used in a manner likely to harm another)
qualifies as a "deadly weapon" pursuant to Penal Code 245 (a) (1) PC.
Assault with a Deadly Weapon (ADW); California Penal Code 245(a)(1) pc
Yeah, the California Penal Code is wrong. Rocks are NOT deadly weapons.
I am sure a rock, when used to bludgeon is just as deadly as a candlestick holder. That does nothing to build or tear down your case that border patrol should shoot at mexicans across the border when they are throwing rocks.
Except that they HAVE shot across the border, on multiple occasions at rock throwers and never been prosecuted or held in the wrong.
You and Tucker have only your opinions, I have facts, precedent, law enforcement rules and regulations on my side. You have what again? Emotion?
Now go back and read what I actually said in its entirety. Try responding to that.
I don't know how much more simply to spell this out but I will try one more time: if rocks are coming from behind a boundary (like, now stay with me here...a border) the BP agent should move himself to a safe distance out of rock throwing range but within firing range in case the rock thrower crosses the border.
If bank robbers are throwing stuff at police, the police are likely already in a pursuit situation and there really isn't a border. The issue here is what? OMG...it's the border!!??!! Who knew?
Not really. Any human being with two working legs to move and eyes to see can do it.
Once again your response to the use of deadly force would be to retreat.
And your response is invasion of a sovereign nation?
Seriously, I bet you'd be using those exact words if it were armed Mexican officials entering American territory to arrest an American.
Assault with a Deadly Weapon (ADW); California Penal Code 245(a)(1) pc
Yeah, the California Penal Code is wrong. Rocks are NOT deadly weapons.
Thats amazing
Once again your response to the use of deadly force would be to retreat.
I said "working legs". That baby's legs aren't functioning fully yet and that woman has diminished function of her legs as evidenced by her cane.
No, you still don't have a point.
Thats amazing
Then let me throw a rock at your head and I'll see you in the obituaries.
I'll catch it and wing it back at you and watch you rub your wounded head in amazement at my not-all-that-impressive skill at catching things.
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