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FBI: Mexican soldiers used rifles to chase off U.S. Border Patrol

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CIUDAD JUAREZ, Mexico (AP) — Pointing their rifles, Mexican security forces chased away U.S. authorities investigating the shooting of a 15-year-old Mexican by a U.S. Border Patrol agent on the banks of the Rio Grande, the FBI and witnesses told The Associated Press on Wednesday.

The killing of the Mexican by U.S. authorities — the second in less than two weeks — has exposed the distrust between the two countries that lies just below the surface, and has enraged Mexicans who see the death of the boy on Mexican soil as an act of murder.

Shortly after the boy was shot, Mexican soldiers arrived at the scene and pointed their guns at the Border Patrol agents across the riverbank while bystanders screamed insults and hurled rocks and firecrackers, FBI spokeswoman Andrea Simmons said. She said the agents were forced to withdraw.

"It pretty quickly got very intense over on the Mexican side," she said, adding that FBI agents showed up later and resumed the investigation, even as Mexican authorities pointed guns at them from across the river.

A relative of the dead boy who had been playing with him told the AP that the Mexicans — who he described as federal police, not soldiers — pointed their guns only when the Americans waded into the mud in an apparent attempt to cross into Mexico.
FOXNews.com - FBI: Mexican soldiers used rifles to chase off U.S. Border Patrol

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The Mexican authorities accused the Americans of trying to recover evidence from Mexican soil and threatened to kill them if they crossed the border, prompting both sides to draw their guns, said the 16-year-old boy who asked not to be further identified for fear of reprisal.
 

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not sure what your point is; can it be assumed you approve of the mexican authority's actions to prevent an outside entity's attempts to potentially contaminate the evidence of the incident?
 

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Well many Americans expect our border patrol, soldiers, and policemen to do the same for Mexicans near the border and/or appear to be attempting to cross even if they are still on their side of the line. However I don't know if the actions by the Mexican authorities were necessary and its probably just like the article says, it highlights under lying tension.
 

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Oh wow - look at that. Hurling rocks and firecrackers.
Why didn't they just open fire and kill them all? Afterall, rocks and firecrackers are lethal force, no?
 

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not sure what your point is; can it be assumed you approve of the mexican authority's actions to prevent an outside entity's attempts to potentially contaminate the evidence of the incident?
Here you are asking whether someone supports mexican authority to prevent contamination of evidence, but the premise could be reversed as well. The real irony is that you are participating in this international thread while donning an anti-semitic signature.
 

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Oh wow - look at that. Hurling rocks and firecrackers.
Why didn't they just open fire and kill them all? Afterall, rocks and firecrackers are lethal force, no?

do you really believe that would be the intent of American law enforcement? Really?


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Here you are asking whether someone supports mexican authority to prevent contamination of evidence, but the premise could be reversed as well. The real irony is that you are participating in this international thread while donning an anti-semitic signature.
This is horribly off topic but you think THAT is anti-semitic? Are you serious? You can't possibly be. What if I said "we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime Palestine is blow it up?" Would that be anti-Palestinian? racist? something else horribly negative? You have to be joking, tired, drunk or something else. You'd probably call me an anti-semite if I had a bagel without cream cheese.
 

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Oh wow - look at that. Hurling rocks and firecrackers.
Why didn't they just open fire and kill them all? Afterall, rocks and firecrackers are lethal force, no?
So your position is we should not defend ourselves? Are you that far gone?
 

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That the Mexican "Authorities" threatened to kill our people.

Folks, put everything else aside, just what do you think would happen if Mexican and US Agents got into a shoot out? Hmmm? That's bad mmmkay? B-A-D.
 

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You know, people get all huffy and puffy about how strict we are at the border, but here we have the Mexican Federal Police, or Army, or whomever it was, and if someone even gets into the river, they point guns. Double standard, if I've ever seen one.
 

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That the Mexican "Authorities" threatened to kill our people.

Folks, put everything else aside, just what do you think would happen if Mexican and US Agents got into a shoot out? Hmmm? That's bad mmmkay? B-A-D.
How many times have you said we shouldnt just threaten to kill, but just outright kill, Mexicans attempting to cross the border. Note: thats attempting, not already have. I'm seeing a big double standard for border control among some people here.
 

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What we don't know is did the Border Patrol inform Mexican authorities of what they are trying to do. If not, the Mexican authorities were acting within their rights -- even if they overdid it. After all, it wasn't as if some ununiformed kid was throwing rocks... we are talking about uniformed law enforcement personel here. Yes, this definately underscores the tension. However, the tension largely comes from the large number of illegal immigrants from the southern side into the U.S. and the fact that many on the other side of the border seem to think that violating U.S. law is not a big deal.

Of course, if Mexico REALLY wants a second Mexican War, bring it on. Personally, I would prefer another match-up in the World Cup again so we can see the U.S. school once again one of the dirtiest teams in world football...
 

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This is horribly off topic but you think THAT is anti-semitic? Are you serious? You can't possibly be. What if I said "we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime Palestine is blow it up?" Would that be anti-Palestinian? racist? something else horribly negative? You have to be joking, tired, drunk or something else. You'd probably call me an anti-semite if I had a bagel without cream cheese.
Actually it would be. But of course you not seeing the context here. Most of your post is just nonsensical mouthfoaming.
 

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Here you are asking whether someone supports mexican authority to prevent contamination of evidence, but the premise could be reversed as well. The real irony is that you are participating in this international thread while donning an anti-semitic signature.
While not completely on topic, there was nothing "anti-semitic" about that signature. Claiming so is just plain stupid. So instead of going off on people about perceived antisemitism how about we just address posts instead.
 

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The Mexicans were right to prevent armed foreigners, who had already shot and killed a Mexican national on Mexican soil, from crossing their border.

They would have been right to shoot them if they had pressed the issue. In fact, since the US border patrol actually shot someone who was on the Mexican side of the border that was not armed with any type of legitimate weapon, they need to be prosecuted. That is an act of war.
 

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do you really believe that would be the intent of American law enforcement? Really?


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So your position is we should not defend ourselves? Are you that far gone?
I was being sarcastic - I should have stated that.

If the original guy who started this entire series of events just backed off when rocks were thrown at him we wouldn't even be IN this pickle. So obviously lethal-force in response to rock throwing isn't always the acceptable norm.
 
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The Mexicans were right to prevent armed foreigners, who had already shot and killed a Mexican national on Mexican soil, from crossing their border.

They would have been right to shoot them if they had pressed the issue. In fact, since the US border patrol actually shot someone who was on the Mexican side of the border that was not armed with any type of legitimate weapon, they need to be prosecuted. That is an act of war.
Feds investigate 2nd report of Mexico chopper over Texas | Houston & Texas News | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle

Texas-Mexico Border Standoff Reported

Report: Armed Mexican Troops Invade US

Armed standoff along U.S. border - DailyBulletin.com

Yes, acts of war and murder that we have kindly overlooked. If they want to play hardball, maybe we should send our real military down there, so the Mexican troops can pull their pistolas out on a real army, and see how that works out for them.
 

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Feds investigate 2nd report of Mexico chopper over Texas | Houston & Texas News | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle

Texas-Mexico Border Standoff Reported

Report: Armed Mexican Troops Invade US

Armed standoff along U.S. border - DailyBulletin.com

Yes, acts of war and murder that we have kindly overlooked. If they want to play hardball, maybe we should send our real military down there, so the Mexican troops can pull their pistolas out on a real army, and see how that works out for them.
Just because we failed to react to those situations correctly, doesn't mean they shouldn't react to ours correctly.

Also, how many US nationals died in those instances?
 

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Can of WORMS.

If the US government had gone about this border protection the RIGHT WAY all along - NONE of this crap would be going on.
But, instead, they turned a blind eye for decades and here we are - the pot is finally boiling over.

It will be interesting yet frightening to see how Obama handles this situation and just what it will continue to escalate into.
 

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How many times have you said we shouldnt just threaten to kill, but just outright kill, Mexicans attempting to cross the border. Note: thats attempting, not already have. I'm seeing a big double standard for border control among some people here.
Where is the double standard?

Illegals attempting to break the law....

Law Enforcement being threatened with death by Mexican Authorities....


The problem is with you, and your understanding of the issue and things said about it, not with anything I have said.
 

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The Mexicans were right to prevent armed foreigners, who had already shot and killed a Mexican national on Mexican soil, from crossing their border.

They would have been right to shoot them if they had pressed the issue. In fact, since the US border patrol actually shot someone who was on the Mexican side of the border that was not armed with any type of legitimate weapon, they need to be prosecuted. That is an act of war.
And you show why no one takes you seriously.

This "kid" was a wanted criminal endangering our people. They responded accordingly and you want them prosecuted.

:blink:

Just why should they be prosecuted? Thinking like yours, gets law enforcement killed. They face a dangerous situation and fear pulling the trigger because they might get prosecuted by someone like you that doesn't care about their rights, their well being. You Tucker, have officially earned my utter contempt.
 
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Just because we failed to react to those situations correctly, doesn't mean they shouldn't react to ours correctly.

Also, how many US nationals died in those instances?
Ah, wait - I thought we were the Iching of knowledge and action? :roll:

We cannot BET on others acting in any way that we deem appropriate - no matter who it is and what's going on. We can only (should only) try to expect the "right thing" from our own troops and our own selves.
 

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Ah, wait - I thought we were the Iching of knowledge and action? :roll:

We cannot BET on others acting in any way that we deem appropriate - no matter who it is and what's going on. We can only (should only) try to expect the "right thing" from our own troops and our own selves.
That doesn't contradict what I said.
 

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And you show why no one takes you seriously.

This "kid" was a wanted criminal endangering our people. They responded accordingly and you want them prosecuted.

:blink:

Just why should they be prosecuted? Thinking like yours, gets law enforcement killed. They face a dangerous situation and fear pulling the trigger because they might get prosecuted by someone like you that doesn't care about their rights, their well being.
Save the melodramatics for someone who gives a **** about that kind of emotive nonsense, Vic.

The border guard shot a Mexican National on Mexican soil. It's out of his jurisdiction. He is not authorized to do that unless his life is truly in danger, which it wasn't. If they were shooting, then he would have been authorized to defend himself with lethal force. People who are unable to handle the job, should be prevented from doing the job.

If the kid was on the US side of the border, different story. But while he remaine don MExican soil, the border guard overstepped his authority to act.

You Tucker, have officially earned my utter contempt.
You say that as though I should be bothered by your contempt. Your contempt is something I find valuable. I use your contempt as evidence that I am right on the issue. If you actually agreed with me, I'd have to rethink my position, becauses it would clearly have to be flawed and irrational.
 

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this is part of the reason why in most other high-tension borders there's a buffer zone - a space that's around the border in which people are not suppose to cross.
 
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