Father of rampage victim: 'When will this insanity stop?' [W:225]

[Penderyn]

Re: Father of rampage victim: 'When will this insanity stop?'

this makes no sense whatsoever. our country has less violent crime than the UK per capita. And speaking of stupid-punishing thousands of innocent gun owners because some asshole went bonkers in Dunblane.

You murder vast numbers and believe any lies your masters choose to tell you: we have extremely little violent crime: that is in your drug-affected heads, kiddo. After Dunblane we abolished gun-ownership largely, with excellent results.

 

[VanceMack]

Re: Father of rampage victim: 'When will this insanity stop?'

And in this case it appears the therapists did not warn authorities, they didn't tell authorities about the writings he had done, the video's he had made or that he was not taking his meds. So when the cops went there, they had nothing, and he acted nice and sweat and conned them. I'm sorry, but if you write papers talking about mass killing, and make video's stating you intend to kill people, that's about all you SHOULD need to look deeper.

Why are you so defensive about the mental health system? Are you in the field?

Geeeeezus dood. Look at what you just wrote. Rich kid, rich family, plentiful access to mental health, and yet the mental health professionals he was seeing did not determine their was cause for duty to warn. Obviously...we need more and better mental health care because THAT was the problem...

The police were notified. The police investigated. The police determined the guy was not bat**** crazy. His therapists didnt see sufficient cause for concern.

And since you are on about the mental health angle...perhaps YOU will take a stab at answeing this. Since you are promoting greater intrusions into peoples lives based on the very occasional incident...are you willing to go the distance? Do you believe the clinically depressed should have their kids removed, driving privileges seized, even be force committed? Or is is this really all about guns for you just as it is with everyone else promoting the same kind of **** you are promoting?

 

[tecoyah]

Re: Father of rampage victim: 'When will this insanity stop?'

That IS precisely the point. This thread points out the father like all of the rest of the anti-gun people skip over the facts and reality and jump right to teh eeeeevil guns owe da horrra!!! Im sure the first three victims that had their ****ing skills bashed and were stabbed to death...their families can take comfort in knowing that the anti-gun crowd will ignore them and use the entire event as a springboard to attack guns.

.....Uh.....okay.

If my son were killed by a gun while ordering a sammich....I would probably be kinda pissed off as well, and place blame on everything that had anything to do with his death. It makes sense he would lash out at guns, the NRA, nut jobs...etc...hell I'm surprised he didn't bitch about pickles and rye bread.

 

[Arbo]

Re: Father of rampage victim: 'When will this insanity stop?'

Geeeeezus dood. Look at what you just wrote. Rich kid, rich family, plentiful access to mental health, and yet the mental health professionals he was seeing did not determine their was cause for duty to warn. Obviously...we need more and better mental health care because THAT was the problem...

The police were notified. The police investigated. The police determined the guy was not bat**** crazy. His therapists didnt see sufficient cause for concern.

And since you are on about the mental health angle...perhaps YOU will take a stab at answeing this. Since you are promoting greater intrusions into peoples lives based on the very occasional incident...are you willing to go the distance? Do you believe the clinically depressed should have their kids removed, driving privileges seized, even be force committed? Or is is this really all about guns for you just as it is with everyone else promoting the same kind of **** you are promoting?

Ah, so I see you are amazingly confused. I am a gun owner and a believer in the 2nd amendment, and have probably spent far more time fighting against the anti-gun crowd than you would even consider doing (you know, out in the real world, not an an internet forum). But the reality is that the problem is not guns (as the anti-gun crowd wants the world to believe), the problem is elsewhere. I can not blame 'violent video games', as I play COD and so far haven't shot anyone… Could it play a role in younger kids that are not brought up with strong parenting? Perhaps, perhaps not.

There is the whole issue of pyschotropic drugs, detachment that todays youth has due to electronics, lack of parental involvement as well as loads of parents living in denial that their kids are anything other than 'perfect'. The destruction of a mental health system in the 70's and 80's as well.

Of course your post is 110% overreaction, as well as simply making crap up. I am well aware of the issue around having people committed and/or having them marked as 'unfit' to own a firearm. Government has proven it can not be trusted, even more so when it comes to doing the right thing WRT our rights and liberties. Thus my comment about some serious transparency needed as well as some method to get 'out' of such a position if wrongly put in there (or labeled) by the government. It is a fine line and MUCH care must be taken. But to sit back and say "there is nothing wrong with the mental health system" is to be so f***ing ignorant as to invalidate anything you have to say.

I have a child that has some mental health issues, I've been through hell and back with all of it. We have reached a decent and stable point, but it took YEARS to get anyone to pay serious attention and to get the help that was needed. And I mean real help, not just doping up the kids which is the quick and easy answer for far too many people. And it took me and my wife having to pay attention and care, and fight doctors and insurance, which it seems a lot of parents do not do (cue up parents of mass shooters….). So believe me, based on some of the proposals of the 'anti-gun' people I understand they'd love to take my guns due to the condition of one of my kids, so I know it's a very damn thin line. But to ignore the reality that 99.99% of the issue is mental health is to doom those of us that believe in and understand the 2nd amendment to further restrictions on our rights.

It's not enough to keep yelling "the gun did not do it!" We must focus the attention on the real issues and help provide realistic solutions. Or just sit back and watch your rights decay further because you did nothing but scream about those 'libtards!'

 

[VanceMack]

Re: Father of rampage victim: 'When will this insanity stop?'

.....Uh.....okay.

If my son were killed by a gun while ordering a sammich....I would probably be kinda pissed off as well, and place blame on everything that had anything to do with his death. It makes sense he would lash out at guns, the NRA, nut jobs...etc...hell I'm surprised he didn't bitch about pickles and rye bread.

And you would rail against the 'politicians' and 'the NRA' and not the asshole that killed him? The NRA didnt protect his rights. The NRA protects gun owners rights form assholes that use the occasional tragedy to attack the rights of the 120 million people that DONT do this kind of thing.

Would you also rail against people like yourself that seem to be silent regarding the far more present danger of drunk driving if your child was run over? Would you blame alcohol companies, bars, bartenders, liquor stores, auto manufacturers, oh, and lets include law enforcement for failing to prevent the accident, and how about state legislators for not passing laws to ensure that people that drink or have a history of drunk driving be barred access to cars...or would you blame the asshole that got behind the wheel of a car, drove drunk, and killed your child?

The car killed him. Or Alcohol. Or Jim who threw the party. Or Ahnheiser Bush. Right?

 

[tecoyah]

Re: Father of rampage victim: 'When will this insanity stop?'

And you would rail against the 'politicians' and 'the NRA' and not the asshole that killed him? The NRA didnt protect his rights. The NRA protects gun owners rights form assholes that use the occasional tragedy to attack the rights of the 120 million people that DONT do this kind of thing.

Would you also rail against people like yourself that seem to be silent regarding the far more present danger of drunk driving if your child was run over? Would you blame alcohol companies, bars, bartenders, liquor stores, auto manufacturers, oh, and lets include law enforcement for failing to prevent the accident, and how about state legislators for not passing laws to ensure that people that drink or have a history of drunk driving be barred access to cars...or would you blame the asshole that got behind the wheel of a car, drove drunk, and killed your child?

The car killed him. Or Alcohol. Or Jim who threw the party. Or Ahnheiser Bush. Right?

Now I remember why I placed you on ignore...the one hit wonder.

 

[VanceMack]

Re: Father of rampage victim: 'When will this insanity stop?'

Ah, so I see you are amazingly confused. I am a gun owner and a believer in the 2nd amendment, and have probably spent far more time fighting against the anti-gun crowd than you would even consider doing (you know, out in the real world, not an an internet forum). But the reality is that the problem is not guns (as the anti-gun crowd wants the world to believe), the problem is elsewhere. I can not blame 'violent video games', as I play COD and so far haven't shot anyone… Could it play a role in younger kids that are not brought up with strong parenting? Perhaps, perhaps not.

There is the whole issue of pyschotropic drugs, detachment that todays youth has due to electronics, lack of parental involvement as well as loads of parents living in denial that their kids are anything other than 'perfect'. The destruction of a mental health system in the 70's and 80's as well.

Of course your post is 110% overreaction, as well as simply making crap up. I am well aware of the issue around having people committed and/or having them marked as 'unfit' to own a firearm. Government has proven it can not be trusted, even more so when it comes to doing the right thing WRT our rights and liberties. Thus my comment about some serious transparency needed as well as some method to get 'out' of such a position if wrongly put in there (or labeled) by the government. It is a fine line and MUCH care must be taken. But to sit back and say "there is nothing wrong with the mental health system" is to be so f***ing ignorant as to invalidate anything you have to say.

I have a child that has some mental health issues, I've been through hell and back with all of it. We have reached a decent and stable point, but it took YEARS to get anyone to pay serious attention and to get the help that was needed. And I mean real help, not just doping up the kids which is the quick and easy answer for far too many people. And it took me and my wife having to pay attention and care, and fight doctors and insurance, which it seems a lot of parents do not do (cue up parents of mass shooters….). So believe me, based on some of the proposals of the 'anti-gun' people I understand they'd love to take my guns due to the condition of one of my kids, so I know it's a very damn thin line. But to ignore the reality that 99.99% of the issue is mental health is to doom those of us that believe in and understand the 2nd amendment to further restrictions on our rights.

It's not enough to keep yelling "the gun did not do it!" We must focus the attention on the real issues and help provide realistic solutions. Or just sit back and watch your rights decay further because you did nothing but scream about those 'libtards!'

Look how cute and angry you are.

So...you dont trust government, but want to expand government powers. You dont trust them, but think the magic word 'transparency' will make government be transparent. You dont trust the mental health industry, but believe they should be given more power.

Not sure what state you live in but would LOVE to hear how the 'mental health industry' has been 'destroyed'. Fact is we have ever increasing resources committed to ever growing recipients of services in states...so much so that realistically, the financial burden is not sustainable.

Now...if you would like to talk reform...that would be swell. There are lots of areas in the mental health industry that needs attention. Obviously you have an axe to grind against the behavioral health community. That is reflected quite clearly in your proposed 'solution'. It is also completely self serving and inappropriate and why unbalanced personal and agenda driven approaches are not a 'good thing'. Emotional appeals are a ****ty way to govern.

 

[VanceMack]

Re: Father of rampage victim: 'When will this insanity stop?'

Now I remember why I placed you on ignore...the one hit wonder.

:lamo

Riiiiiiight. THATS whats what you did. Hey...as long as you dont have have to answer the question (and frankly...I dont blame you. Your position is indefensible. You simply are what you are).

 

[Arbo]

Re: Father of rampage victim: 'When will this insanity stop?'

Look how cute and angry you are.

Oh look, keeps trudging the path of ignorance and making crap up. I'll go as far to say that your refusal to answer if you were in that field is a clear indication (along with the ignorance you post about it) that the answer was "NO", you are not in that field. Tied together with a clear reading comprehension problem and I understand why so many do not pay any attention to your posts.

Thanks for being part of the problem! You are just as much to blame for the disintegration of our rights as the anti-gunners. Congratuations and goodbye.

 

[VanceMack]

Re: Father of rampage victim: 'When will this insanity stop?'

Oh look, keeps trudging the path of ignorance and making crap up. I'll go as far to say that your refusal to answer if you were in that field is a clear indication (along with the ignorance you post about it) that the answer was "NO", you are not in that field. Tied together with a clear reading comprehension problem and I understand why so many do not pay any attention to your posts.

Thanks for being part of the problem! You are just as much to blame for the disintegration of our rights as the anti-gunners. Congratuations and goodbye.

You and Tecoyah are now soul mates. My job here is done. :lamo

You both refused to answer basic and very direct questions...partly because the questions show just how completely full of **** you are.

 

[tres borrachos]

Re: Father of rampage victim: 'When will this insanity stop?'

so it is merely a BIGOTED statement as a ethnic slur and not a RACIST statment then...... got it.

Bigoted?

big·ot noun \ˈbi-gət\ : a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. : a bigoted person; especially : a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group)
CloseStyle: MLA APA ChicagoFull Definition of BIGOT

: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

Nice try, but epic failure on your part.

 

[haymarket]

Re: Father of rampage victim: 'When will this insanity stop?'

Bogoted?

big·ot noun \ˈbi-gət\ : a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. : a bigoted person; especially : a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group)
CloseStyle: MLA APA ChicagoFull Definition of BIGOT

: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

thank you for printing that. It supports the idea that calling an Italian person a MAFIOSO when they have never been convicted of such affiliation is indeed a sing of BIGOTRY. Your help is appreciated. eace:2wave:

 

[tres borrachos]

Re: Father of rampage victim: 'When will this insanity stop?'

.....Uh.....okay.

If my son were killed by a gun while ordering a sammich....I would probably be kinda pissed off as well, and place blame on everything that had anything to do with his death. It makes sense he would lash out at guns, the NRA, nut jobs...etc...hell I'm surprised he didn't bitch about pickles and rye bread.

It really doesn't make sense to lash out at the NRA, politicians and guns. Nut jobs, yes.

The man's son was killed by someone who should have been under lock and key somewhere. He wasn't killed by the NRA and politicians. He wasn't even killed by a gun. The gun didn't shoot itelf.

I totally understand lashing out under duress, but not placing blame where blame belongs doesn't make sense.

 

[Arbo]

Re: Father of rampage victim: 'When will this insanity stop?'

You both refused to answer basic and very direct questions...partly because the questions show just how completely full of **** you are.

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Why are you so defensive about the mental health system? Are you in the field?

No answer by VanceMack. Could it be because to answer them would "show just how completely full of ****" he is? :lamo

 

[LaMidRighter]

Re: Father of rampage victim: 'When will this insanity stop?'

.....Uh.....okay.

If my son were killed by a gun while ordering a sammich....I would probably be kinda pissed off as well, and place blame on everything that had anything to do with his death. It makes sense he would lash out at guns, the NRA, nut jobs...etc...hell I'm surprised he didn't bitch about pickles and rye bread.

And if the Subway "sandwich artist" was having a bad day, reached over, and stabbed said son in the throat with his knife, would you blame Subway, Michelle Obama(new media partner), the knife, tomato slices, Italian bread, and the cash register, along with the fast food culture?

 

[tres borrachos]

Re: Father of rampage victim: 'When will this insanity stop?'

thank you for printing that. It supports the idea that calling an Italian person a MAFIOSO when they have never been convicted of such affiliation is indeed a sing of BIGOTRY. Your help is appreciated. eace:2wave:

I'm glad you liked my help in providing that defintion. It would have helped more if you actually read and understood it.

 

[VanceMack]

Re: Father of rampage victim: 'When will this insanity stop?'

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No answer by VanceMack. Could it be because to answer them would "show just how completely full of ****" he is? :lamo

You must be new here. I have said on NUMEROUS occasions I am indeed VERY connected to the mental health field.

If you werent so emotionally invested you would ALSO have seen the comment about "Now...if you would like to talk reform...that would be swell. There are lots of areas in the mental health industry that needs attention." Thats why responding to situations based on emotion are a bad idea. Its also a bad idea to try to shoehorn tragic occurrences into your own personal causes.

Now...please...you were going to tell us how the mental health industry was destroyed in the 70's and 80's...

 

[VanceMack]

Re: Father of rampage victim: 'When will this insanity stop?'

And if the Subway "sandwich artist" was having a bad day, reached over, and stabbed said son in the throat with his knife, would you blame Subway, Michelle Obama(new media partner), the knife, tomato slices, Italian bread, and the cash register, along with the fast food culture?

You one trick pony you. Shame on you for pointing out his logical fallacy. That kind of thing will land you on his ignore list.

 

[Arbo]

Re: Father of rampage victim: 'When will this insanity stop?'

I have said

I this thread you were asked a question. You ignored it or refused to answer. Even with your reply above you still have not answered in anything beyond a generality. Yet you say others that do not answer your questions don't know what they are talking about. I understand that you don't get the irony of that. Carry on with your mindless babble now….

 

[DVSentinel]

Re: Father of rampage victim: 'When will this insanity stop?'

You have simply reinforced my sentiments: A person who so easily makes enemies with whom he disagrees is the very kind of person I avoid. Heaven wouldn't be Heaven to me, with such people in it.

I don't make enemies, enemies make themselves. The left can believe what ever they want, but when the act to take away rights, freedoms and choose to have the government force their views upon those who oppose such views, their actions make them enemies.

In this particular case, the area where the incident occurred, 61% of the voters supported Feinstein, the most anti gun liberal **** there is. Her and her supporters made them selves the enemies of anyone who actually supports the 2nd amendment and the right to bear arms.

 

[CRUE CAB]

Re: Father of rampage victim: 'When will this insanity stop?'

It don't trump my rights. Seems there were many failures prior to the last day when little spoiled junior DB blew his final gasket.

 

[jaeger19]

Re: Father of rampage victim: 'When will this insanity stop?'

What does "insulting the NRA" have to do with "supporting idiotic laws"? Why do so many gun owners act as if pointing out the NRA's faults is sacrilege?

Because Kobe... the NRA represents tons of gun owners. The NRA is only powerful because WE gun owners support it. It our lobby.. not some separate entity. AND more importantly, WE KNOW as members the NRA... we know the millions of dollars the NRA spends on hunter education, the millions it spends on safe competitive shooting sports, the millions it spends on making public shooting ranges safer and better for members. We know the millions of dollars the NRA spends on helping local areas put on gun safety courses for adults. We know it trains and educates shooting instructors.

We also know.. that the reason that folks like yourself that insult the NRA.. do so because they hate the fact that the NRA stands in the way of idiotic anti gun laws...

Otherwise... why would you insult the NRA? Because you don't like its politics on what? the Cookie monster?

 

[CRUE CAB]

Re: Father of rampage victim: 'When will this insanity stop?'

Thank you for confirming your crass insensitivity.

You can put me in that category too. Is so common that stupid little losers kill people over hurt little feelings, I don't care anymore.

 

[VanceMack]

Re: Father of rampage victim: 'When will this insanity stop?'

I this thread you were asked a question. You ignored it or refused to answer. Even with your reply above you still have not answered in anything beyond a generality. Yet you say others that do not answer your questions don't know what they are talking about. I understand that you don't get the irony of that. Carry on with your mindless babble now….

Question..."Why are you so defensive about the mental health system? Are you in the field?"

Answer..."yes".

How can that be more direct?

Face it. You parrot some made up bull**** about the mental health community being destroyed in the 70's and 80's, got called on it, and now realize you have precisely **** for a response. Your bleating and blathering about THIS incident ignores the undeniable FACTUAL reality that the individual had access to not only mental health care but the BEST of mental healthcare. Thats not defending the system...its stating the facts. All the rhetorical nonsense simply doesnt fly. Dood had health care providers...there was no duty to warn. The parents notified the cops...he demonstrated control of his mental faculties. You have an ongoing family concern which I am sure is legit and has provided your family hours of upset. I get that. THAT isnt THIS and you cant just make it fit to serve your agenda.

 

[Zyphlin]

Re: Father of rampage victim: 'When will this insanity stop?'

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