Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia**[W:808]**

[poweRob]

White nationalists
Black Lives Matter
ANTIFA
KKK

All one in the same.

Who didn't see this false equivelence bs coming?

 

[Geoist]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

I highly doubt that there were very many Trump voters in the counter protesters. They caused just as many problems, if not more, than the idiot white nationalists did.

Really? Didn't know there was a white supremacist murdered yesterday.

 

[JasperL]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

The way I see Dallas.... BLM had a history of shouting about death to police, in their main marching formations...

So..... this man was just acting on the words of previous BLM protests.

Yes of course it's BLM's fault and the actions of one crazy guy can be attributed pretty much every member of the larger group because he's black. QED. Same with any Muslim act of terror.

And I've not seen any evidence that "BLM" was present in Charlottesville or, if they were, that any member of BLM committed any act of violence.

We don't know much more about this kid except he was hanging out with some of the white nationalists earlier in the day, hanging out with the "American Vanguard" group. I don't know if someone within the American Vanguard group managed to convince him to decided to run a bunch of people over or not, time will tell as more information is known (this did just happen yesterday after all). However, white supremacy had a history of violence back in its hayday.... not so much lately until now.

But not knowing hasn't stopped you from attributing unspecified violent acts from unknown blacks who might have been present in Charlottesville to "BLM." Surely you can see the double standard. It's glaring.

Black violence ==> BLM! Not a shred of evidence necessary to make this connection.
White violence ==> lone wolf. Sure he was hanging out with white supremacists earlier that day, and his Facebook page was full of references to the alt-right and white supremacy, but those groups are blameless in his random act of terrorism!!

 

[RedAkston]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

How do you know yet whether or not it was politically motivated?

Oh how I love it when you make my point for me... We don't yet know if it was politically motivated and this was my entire point. The facts haven't all come out and yet there are so many people, mostly left of center, speculating without all the facts. Perhaps it was politically motivated, perhaps it was racially motivated or perhaps he's just insane. Time will tell us, don't you agree?

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

Show me where i admitted that the driver was motivated by his political ideology. While you try to find something that does't exist, I'm going to get a bite to eat. I'll be back in a bit when you've given up.

So are you going to argue that in the context of the protests in VA where the driver killed other protesters, which you described as:

"an act of rage against a group of people who were on the other side of his thinking"


...was not about political ideology? Was it, as you keep absurdly distracting to a "sports" ideology?

Yer argument is insane.

 

[RedAkston]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

So are you going to argue that in the context of the protests in VA where the driver killed other protesters, which you described as:

"an act of rage against a group of people who were on the other side of his thinking"


...was not about political ideology? Was it, as you keep absurdly distracting to a "sports" ideology?

Yer argument is insane.

Do you know for a fact that the driver was politically motivated? What did he hope to change, politically, by doing what he did?

This will be entertaining to say the least.

opcorn2:

 

[Fenton]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

You mean the southern Democrats that switched to republicants in the 60's because they opposed the 1964 Civil Rights Act? The same "Dixiecrats" that supported segregation. Nice try, dude! Try as you may to paint Democrats as the party of hate it only points back at you and your party as the ones that condone race hatred.

Lol ! Yea because Blacks are doing SOOO well in decades old Democrat strong holds like Detroit, Chicago, Flynt, Atlanta, LA, etc, etc etc......

Democrats went from overt racism like Jim Crowe to pushing policies that created and perpetuated generational dependence and policies that lead to the destruction of families and all in the name of securing a vote.

Nothings changed, your party still supports the plantation mentallity, and cities like Detroit prove it everyday.

Roughly half of Detroit residents are functionally illiterate and half of Californian children are on welfare so spare me your ****ing revisionsist bull ****

 

[Napoleon]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

And I've not seen any evidence that "BLM" was present in Charlottesville or, if they were, that any member of BLM committed any act of violence.

Then you haven't seen any videos of the protests. BLM signs and t-shirts all over the place. For example, this guy was maced while trying to pick a fight with a white supremacist.

 

[rocket88]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

That is like saying that the black vote was at a all time high during Obama's election.

Are they racists for more of them sitting home during the last election because a black candidate wasn't running.

Lets not mince words. White supremacists are racists. Pure and simple.

The black vote was at a good high for Obama. That doesn't make them racist. Voting for Trump didn't make White Supremacists racist, they already were.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

Do you know for a fact that the driver was politically motivated?

I don't have any doubt....but you keep avoiding whut "ideology" he acted "with rage" against. You are the one with the requirement to explain whut "ideology" he acted upon when you said:


"an act of rage against a group of people who were on the other side of his thinking"

 

[Paperview]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

Do you know for a fact that the driver was politically motivated? What did he hope to change, politically, by doing what he did?

This will be entertaining to say the least.

opcorn2:

Well it appears he was fascinated with Hitler and Nazi-ism.

 

[Yes_Minister]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

The Leftists came armed to do violence against a legal demonstration. They did violence. That makes them responsible.

The criminal is always responsible for ALL those injured in the commission of his crime, whether by accident or intent.

:ind:

And the Nazis and neo confederates who came didn't intend to violence and weren't armed to the teeth?

By saying "its the left's fault" you mitigate the responsibility of the person who actually committed a crime.

If the shoe was on the other foot, if a left winger drove a car into crowd and blamed the right for his actions, would you except such an excuse?

 

[Geoist]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

Cut off the income of an already fringe person.
That won't cause anything bad to happen, not at all.

I know it feels good to **** with people like that, but you should ask if you should do that.

No employer should be forced to hold on to an employee whose antagonistic views go against the philosophy of the company. And before you say it, that goes for violence-endorsing ideologues both on the left and right.

 

[JasperL]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

It's not a question of knowing how to post a video but whether doing so in this case would violate forum rules because of the content.

You can post a link without embedding the video. How about a news story? Google search? Anything?

I've searched and found nothing actually.

 

[Yes_Minister]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

Lol ! Yea because Blacks are doing SOOO well in decades old Democrat strong holds like Detroit, Chicago, Flynt, Atlanta, LA, etc, etc etc......

Democrats went from overt racism like Jim Crowe to pushing policies that created and perpetuated generational dependence and policies that lead to the destruction of families and all in the name of securing a vote.

Nothings changed, your party still supports the plantation mentallity, and cities like Detroit prove it everyday.

Roughly half of Detroit residents are functionally illiterate and half of Californian children are on welfare so spare me your ****ing revisionsist bull ****

Are African Americans doing better in Red States?

Also why are so many people in Red States on welfare?

Red States Are Welfare Queens - Business Insider

 

[Geoist]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

You are right... Their way of thinking is unacceptable. They need to be brought in for forced Re-education and ThoughtCrime. Just deploy the Thought Police in full numbers and we'll get these suckers just you wait.

I see you are being sarcastic. Are you sarcastically saying "their way of thinking is unacceptable?"

 

[rocket88]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

True, Plantation owners weren't big fans of things changing. However, as is very visible between how young 20 something Americans feel about things politically, and how, even their parents, feel politically, and how their parents parents feel politically, things change over generations.

This is just my opinon (theory).. When black slaves arrived in the colonies fresh from africa in the earlier years, they were viewed by most as savages (that view isn't my theory, its real). It could be viewed that it made them easier to be viewed as such because they didn't know the language, weren't a part of "the religion" (meh), generally had different cultural values. Even in the north in the early days of slavery african slaves were viewed as savages originally. As those slaves had slave children raised in American slavery, they learned the language, practiced the religion, and thus became more viewed as "human". It was easier in the North, which was less dependent upon cheap labor for the abolitionist ideals to spread. In the south, the plantation owners had plenty of economical reasons to keep slavery alive and supported. I wouldn't have doubt that they kept the idea of superiority fueled with propaganda to maintain this support amongst those who weren't economically dependent upon it.

But I digress, how long it would have lasted... who knows. Outside as well as inside influences would have eventually brought it to and end even in the CSA if the south was left as a separate nation.

Honestly, I think economically the south would have been forced to rejoin the USA eventually if left on its own regardless.

Sharecropping existed well into this century. I think slavery easily would have existed until after WWII. I tend to think they'd still be debating it today.

 

[RedAkston]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

I don't have any doubt....but you keep avoiding whut "ideology" he acted "with rage" against. You are the one with the requirement to explain whut "ideology" he acted upon when you said:


"an act of rage against a group of people who were on the other side of his thinking"

So you don't know but you "don't have any doubt". You have no proof, only conjecture. And you unsurprisingly ignored the rest of my post...

What did he hope to change, politically, by doing what he did?

Since you have no doubt, this should be an easy question to answer.

opcorn2:

 

[Geoist]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

I want everyone to get a long and while it's retardedly idealistic, it's better than picking a side.

White supremacists and neo-nazis aren't interested in "getting along."

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

No employer should be forced to hold on to an employee whose antagonistic views go against the philosophy of the company. And before you say it, that goes for violence-endorsing ideologues both on the left and right.

I don't believe they have to either.
At the same time, I don't think it wise to go further in antagonizing people than is already being done.
Revenge and escalation are the next step.

 

[lurchadams]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

It boggles the mind as to how you can reach the conclusion you did in such a record setting pace.

I support the free speech rights of every citizen of this country. I've said nothing to the contrary here or at any other point in my time here at DP (or in my lifetime for that matter). I've not even hinted that anyone deserved to die yesterday and for you to make that reach reverts back to the whole "mind blowing" thing I mentioned previously. It's quite clear that you haven't been paying attention at all in this thread and more specifically when it comes to my posts. I even called the white nationalists out as being the pieces of **** that they are in the very post you quoted me on. So since I don't favor either side, your vision isn't very clear at all. Better luck next time!

Redaskon: "Had the counter protestors not shown up yesterday, no one would have died".

Unless that was a typo on your part, you are, indeed blaming the counter protesters. Thanks for your kind wishes, however.

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

White supremacists and neo-nazis aren't interested in "getting along."

Did they stop being human and lose all capacity for reason?
If so, why not just lock them up and get it over with.

 

[Geoist]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

Did you see the twitter he linked?
They're attempting to get people fired who attended the rally.

Do you not see the issue with both escalation and other unintended consequences?

Are you saying employers should not have the freedom to fire employees? How un-libertarian of you.

 

[lurchadams]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

Lol ! Yea because Blacks are doing SOOO well in decades old Democrat strong holds like Detroit, Chicago, Flynt, Atlanta, LA, etc, etc etc......

Democrats went from overt racism like Jim Crowe to pushing policies that created and perpetuated generational dependence and policies that lead to the destruction of families and all in the name of securing a vote.

Nothings changed, your party still supports the plantation mentallity, and cities like Detroit prove it everyday.

Roughly half of Detroit residents are functionally illiterate and half of Californian children are on welfare so spare me your ****ing revisionsist bull ****

My facts are sound and reflect history correctly. It is your party that constantly cozies up to hatred and division by publicly opposing LGBT rights, supports for employers to discriminate on the basis of race, gender and sexual preference, etc.

The revisionist bull**** is all yours, but thanks for playing.

 

[Napoleon]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

And the Nazis and neo confederates who came didn't intend to violence and weren't armed to the teeth?

By saying "its the left's fault" you mitigate the responsibility of the person who actually committed a crime.

If the shoe was on the other foot, if a left winger drove a car into crowd and blamed the right for his actions, would you except such an excuse?

The counter protestors started the violence as far as I can tell and a lot more happened yesterday than the car. The antifa garbage who jumped, punched, and clubbed an old man in the street outside the parking garage committed crimes too.