Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia**[W:808]**

[TurtleDude]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

Sure. We all know that the Racists left the Dems once the Party began embracing civil rights.

you are ignoring the fact that whites aren't the only group that can be racist. Go to Japan or Korea or China and see what the dominant culture thinks of the other. My late Korean Table tennis coach played professionally in China and did thousands of dollars of business each year with Nittaku, Butterfly, and the other big Japanese Table Tennis businesses. One day, at a tournament, an ignorant fan asked him if he was Japanese. Its the first of two times I saw him get upset. Then, the fan said-sorry, you must be Chinese! that was the second time.

 

[exoplanet]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

Right wing terrorism is not a "common thing" when you compare it all forms of terrorism (and I'm not just referring to "workplace violence" as our previous idiot in chief liked to use) to those terrorized in this country each and every day. Look no further than cities like Chicago, Detroit and St. Louis where gangs and thugs terrorize citizens each and every day. Since the black community votes roughly 95% democrat, would those gangbangers and thugs be right wing or left wing?

Terrorism. You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

ter·ror·ism
noun
the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

If simple murder is enough, when the crime was attributable, more white people kill each other in the US each year than blacks. Sorry if Fox news doesn't cover that.

 

[Puigb]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

Duke voting for Trump despite being denounced by Trump doesn't make the GOP responsible for David Duke's ideology any more than a gay man wanting me for my body despite me saying "NO thanks" makes me gay.

lol.

Actually, it does make Trump responsible. His rhetoric is what attracted Duke. There were a lot of white GOP candidates running for the presidency in 2016...and Duke and the white nationalist crowd threw their support behind one specific guy.

And when called out on Duke's support for him, Trump being the opportunistic scumbag that he is, pretended that he didn't know who Duke was, DESPITE specifically leaving the Reform party because of Duke back in 2000.

 

[Puigb]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

you are ignoring the fact that whites aren't the only group that can be racist. Go to Japan or Korea or China and see what the dominant culture thinks of the other. My late Korean Table tennis coach played professionally in China and did thousands of dollars of business each year with Nittaku, Butterfly, and the other big Japanese Table Tennis businesses. One day, at a tournament, an ignorant fan asked him if he was Japanese. Its the first of two times I saw him get upset. Then, the fan said-sorry, you must be Chinese! that was the second time.

racism from the majority population is always going to be viewed as the worst.

And since whites are the majority in America, white racism is rightfully always going to be seen as worse compared to minority racism in America. The majority has more power to inflict damage onto the minority.

 

[Skeptic Bob]

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But the Confederacy's cause was not just. The exact opposite, in fact.

I certainly agree, but if someone is walking around flying the Confederate flag then they probably disagree. And those people shouldn't be offended by the "traitor" label.

 

[vesper]

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I am really saddened at the level of ignorance displayed in this thread.
From all counts the number of protesters of this march were just as great if not greater than those participating in the march.
Why isn't anyone commenting on that showing that clearly this so called claim that white supremacism was growing is a bogus lie.

Why hasn't anyone mentioned that after Trump and the First Lady condemned the violence that David Duke trashed Trump on Twitter.

Why hasn't anyone other than myself focused on a 20 year old from Ohio that did the dirty deed of using his vehicle like terrorists to harm others? One 20 year old and now he is in custody and pretty much ruined his life over his choice.

I will tell you why, because it doesn't fit into the white privileged narrative the left has been pushing for weeks.

As far as the Jew narrative being commented on, I am not recognized in the Jewish faith as being "Kosher" but have spent more in supporting Israel than many of them have.

A lot of factions involved in all of this and a lot of lies being told and truths and facts being denied.

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

lol.

Actually, it does make Trump responsible. His rhetoric is what attracted Trump. There were a lot of white GOP candidates running for the presidency in 2016...and Duke and the white nationalist crowd threw their support behind one specific guy.

And when called out on Duke's support for him, Trump being the opportunistic scumbag that he is, pretended that he didn't know who Duke was, DESPITE specifically leaving the Reform party because of Duke back in 2000.

how so? there are many reasons why someone might vote for Trump that have nothing to do with any racism. Look, we get your posts hate Trump and want to smear him with racist supporters but that is not evidence that Trump did anything to appeal to racism. Saying one is against ILLEGAL immigration is often attacked-usually by those trying to buy the votes of immigrants from the same background (in this case Latinos-a group that often sees attacks on the waves of illegals from Mexico as being anti-Latino)-as racist when it might not be.

 

[calamity]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

you are ignoring the fact that whites aren't the only group that can be racist. Go to Japan or Korea or China and see what the dominant culture thinks of the other. My late Korean Table tennis coach played professionally in China and did thousands of dollars of business each year with Nittaku, Butterfly, and the other big Japanese Table Tennis businesses. One day, at a tournament, an ignorant fan asked him if he was Japanese. Its the first of two times I saw him get upset. Then, the fan said-sorry, you must be Chinese! that was the second time.

I would never assume only white people are racist. You have me confused with someone else.

 

[Caine]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

lol.

Actually, it does make Trump responsible. His rhetoric is what attracted Duke. There were a lot of white GOP candidates running for the presidency in 2016...and Duke and the white nationalist crowd threw their support behind one specific guy.

And when called out on Duke's support for him, Trump being the opportunistic scumbag that he is, pretended that he didn't know who Duke was, DESPITE specifically leaving the Reform party because of Duke back in 2000.

So.... you are saying Trump left the reform party because of Duke..... and yet Trump welcomes Duke's support and shares the same ideology?

I do believe, sir, you have literally contradicting your own point.


Trump is not responsible for David Duke's vitriol.

 

[Nap]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

You do understand Cruz is the epitome of the Religious Right?





Could you give an example of legislation Cruz would have been able to pass but Paul wouldn't? I do realize Paul isn't well-loved by many in DC... but neither is Cruz.

Yes, I am aware which is why I said there were some aspects I dislike. While I don't like mixing politics and religion the one aspect I do like about the Religious Right is they are strong on Pro-life. Judging from his comments on drugs, Cruz seems to be fairly balanced in that even though he is against it, he is open to states deciding it on their own.

The reason I say Cruz would have an easier time is due to I believe he would be more willing to budge on somethings in order to push stuff through while I believe Paul would likely always take the stance that any cut or deregulation would not be enough and cause bills to stall (see: AHCA, in this case thank goodness though). Don't get me wrong, this is something I greatly admire and respect about Paul, only I realize that doing so limits what you could potentially get done.

 

[Puigb]

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how so? there are many reasons why someone might vote for Trump that have nothing to do with any racism. Look, we get your posts hate Trump and want to smear him with racist supporters but that is not evidence that Trump did anything to appeal to racism. Saying one is against ILLEGAL immigration is often attacked-usually by those trying to buy the votes of immigrants from the same background (in this case Latinos-a group that often sees attacks on the waves of illegals from Mexico as being anti-Latino)-as racist when it might not be.

I never said everyone who voted for Trump was due to racism.

But Trump did specifically pander to right wing racists. It all started with the birther issue in 2011. Race is the main reason Trump is even relevant politically. Without it...someone else would have won the GOP nomination.

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

I would never assume only white people are racist. You have me confused with someone else.

so your post didn't claim that the racists left the Democrat party during the civil rights movement (you know the civil rights bill where more GOP voted for it than Democrats)? I will agree a bunch of white racists left the Democrats after the "Southern strategy" but the anti white racists have pretty much been with the Dems since the last 80 years

 

[Puigb]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

So.... you are saying Trump left the reform party because of Duke..... and yet Trump welcomes Duke's support and shares the same ideology?

I do believe, sir, you have literally contradicting your own point.


Trump is not responsible for David Duke's vitriol.

1. I didn't say Trump left the reform party because of Duke, Trump himself said that back in 2000.

2. In 2015/2016, when running for the presidency, Trump pretended that he didn't know who Duke was...because he didn't want to alienate potential supporters. Doesn't mean he's a racist himself, but he was definitely willing to pander to racists for votes. Trump is an opportunistic race baiter.

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

I never said everyone who voted for Trump was due to racism.

But Trump did specifically pander to right wing racists. It all started with the birther issue in 2011. Race is the main reason Trump is even relevant politically. Without it...someone else would have won the GOP nomination.

what did Trump say that specifically was DESIGNED to appeal to right wing racists vs saying stuff that some right wing racists approved of that was not tied to their racism?

 

[Puigb]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

I am really saddened at the level of ignorance displayed in this thread.
From all counts the number of protesters of this march were just as great if not greater than those participating in the march.
Why isn't anyone commenting on that showing that clearly this so called claim that white supremacism was growing is a bogus lie.

Why hasn't anyone mentioned that after Trump and the First Lady condemned the violence that David Duke trashed Trump on Twitter.

Why hasn't anyone other than myself focused on a 20 year old from Ohio that did the dirty deed of using his vehicle like terrorists to harm others? One 20 year old and now he is in custody and pretty much ruined his life over his choice.

I will tell you why, because it doesn't fit into the white privileged narrative the left has been pushing for weeks.

As far as the Jew narrative being commented on, I am not recognized in the Jewish faith as being "Kosher" but have spent more in supporting Israel than many of them have.

A lot of factions involved in all of this and a lot of lies being told and truths and facts being denied.

you always find a way to blame the left for everything.

What happened today was a result of right wing Trump voters acting up. Accept it, and own it. These were Trump voters causing problems.

 

[Caine]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

1. I didn't say Trump left the reform party because of Duke, Trump himself said that back in 2000.

2. In 2015/2016, when running for the presidency, Trump pretended that he didn't know who Duke was...because he didn't want to alienate potential supporters. Doesn't mean he's a racist himself, but he was definitely willing to pander to racists for votes. Trump is an opportunistic race baiter.

Im pretty sure that pretending not to know thing, is something that was debunked and you refuse to believe it.

Some people are just not reasonable.

 

[Puigb]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

what did Trump say that specifically was DESIGNED to appeal to right wing racists vs saying stuff that some right wing racists approved of that was not tied to their racism?

- Building a wall
- Banning Muslims
- spending five years claiming Obama wasn't born in the united states
- Tweeting bogus statistics regarding black on white crime.

Let me ask you this. Why didn't Duke enthusiastically support Jeb Bush or John Kasich? Why didn't Duke praise Romney, McCain, or G.W. Bush like he did Trump? All of them were/are white Republican presidential candidates. What made Trump different that white nationalists supported him with such enthusiasm?

 

[Nap]

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Thanks, I love irony.

Not sure I understand why my post is quoted......

 

[Lutherf]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

I am really saddened at the level of ignorance displayed in this thread.
From all counts the number of protesters of this march were just as great if not greater than those participating in the march.
Why isn't anyone commenting on that showing that clearly this so called claim that white supremacism was growing is a bogus lie.

Why hasn't anyone mentioned that after Trump and the First Lady condemned the violence that David Duke trashed Trump on Twitter.

Why hasn't anyone other than myself focused on a 20 year old from Ohio that did the dirty deed of using his vehicle like terrorists to harm others? One 20 year old and now he is in custody and pretty much ruined his life over his choice.

I will tell you why, because it doesn't fit into the white privileged narrative the left has been pushing for weeks.

As far as the Jew narrative being commented on, I am not recognized in the Jewish faith as being "Kosher" but have spent more in supporting Israel than many of them have.

A lot of factions involved in all of this and a lot of lies being told and truths and facts being denied.

This is where we are today, Vesper. Everything is political and politics insinuates itself into everything.

This chaos in Charlottesville was far from one sided. This kind of street fight ALWAYS takes two and this was no exception. What was different was some idiot decided to drive a car through a crowd.

Bottom line, the MSM is doing everything they can to pin this crap on Trump. They could care less that nobody other than Nazis like Nazis. They know that these idiots are a subset of a subset of American culture but will broadcast pictures of them side by side wit Pictures of Trump for the next week just because it promotes their hateful world view.

 

[Puigb]

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Im pretty sure that pretending not to know thing, is something that was debunked and you refuse to believe it.

Some people are just not reasonable.

you didn't debunk anything.

Trump himself said he didn't know who Duke was...which was a lie.

 

[Caine]

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- Building a wall
- Banning Muslims
- spending five years claiming Obama wasn't born in the united states
- Tweeting bogus statistics regarding black on white crime.

Let me ask you this. Why didn't Duke enthusiastically support Jeb Bush or John Kasich? Why didn't Duke praise Romney, McCain, or G.W. Bush like he did Trump? All of them were/are white Republican presidential candidates. What made Trump different that white nationalists supported him with such enthusiasm?

Banning muslims?

Please tell me more about how he was banning muslims........ and not barring people from certain terrorism supporting countries.


Another thing that has been debunked over and over, and yet you refuse to listen.

 

[calamity]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

so your post didn't claim that the racists left the Democrat party during the civil rights movement (you know the civil rights bill where more GOP voted for it than Democrats)? I will agree a bunch of white racists left the Democrats after the "Southern strategy" but the anti white racists have pretty much been with the Dems since the last 80 years

Whoa...you sure got that wrong.

The original House version:
Democratic Party: 152–96 (61–39%)
Republican Party: 138–34 (80–20%)

Cloture in the Senate:
Democratic Party: 44–23 (66–34%)
Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)

The Senate version:
Democratic Party: 46–21 (69–31%)
Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)

The Senate version, voted on by the House:
Democratic Party: 153–91 (63–37%)
Republican Party: 136–35 (80–20%)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964#Vote_totals

lol. Dems voted for CR passage in much higher numbers. GOP voted in higher percentages, but, we all know that is because the Southern Democrats were racists. And, we also know that the new GOP picked them up.

 

[Puigb]

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Banning muslims?

Please tell me more about how he was banning muslims........ and not barring people from certain terrorism supporting countries.


Another thing that has been debunked over and over, and yet you refuse to listen.

He called it a Muslim ban...

 

[Ahlevah]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

"American Taliban" my ass. That claim is ignorant in the extreme.

Removing statues to the slaveocracy does not make one a member of the Taliban.

I didn't say removing statues of historical figures makes one a member of the Taliban, but seeking the removal of historical artifacts that that one finds offensive or contrary to whatever dogma he believes in is Taliban-like behavior, so the term is appropriate. Anyway, who's next? Jefferson? Or does he get a pass as a slave-holding hypocrite because he happened to write the Declaration of Independence? I wonder how many of the people getting educated at "The University" he founded despise him, or do they ever feel guilty because slavery provided the wealth he need to build it in the first place?

 

[Caine]

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He called it a Muslim ban...

Got a quote for that?